All_Pro_Bills Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Just now, Tiberius said: I remember the caravan when Trump was Prez. They still came. GOP doesn't want to stop immigration, just to cry about it What's the limit? 100 million, a billion more? Most on high levels of social assistance funded by the taxpayer and borrowing. How "good" would that be for America? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: What's the limit? 100 million, a billion more? Most on high levels of social assistance funded by the taxpayer and borrowing. How "good" would that be for America? 100 million? From where is that happening? The thousands we see now are needed. They more than pay for themselves in the long run 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I remember the caravan when Trump was Prez. They still came. GOP doesn't want to stop immigration, just to cry about it Says you . 🙄 😒 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, T master said: Says you . 🙄 😒 Why didn't they do more when they had the governmnet under Trump? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: 100 million? From where is that happening? The thousands we see now are needed. They more than pay for themselves in the long run I'm just saying nobody in authority has articulated any goal or objective here. Or limit. And in practice there's no stopping anyone and everyone who wants to come across the border from doing so by invoking asylum status. All that's required is getting to the crossing. As such there's no limit on how many people can cross into the country. Its about 8 million to date so how many thousands more do we need? And "long run" is totally subjective. What does it mean? 6 months? 10 years? 30 years? They got no plan, at least one they're willing to discuss and communicate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I'm just saying nobody in authority has articulated any goal or objective here. Or limit. Totally true. Just complaints 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Just now, Tiberius said: Why didn't they do more when they had the governmnet under Trump? Dems in the house and Senate hard lining any funding for the wall. Dem politicians calling any moves on immigration, racist. Aoc theatre at the border? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 100 million? From where is that happening? The thousands we see now are needed. They more than pay for themselves in the long run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1uqLRxB3i4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TDujIOBXDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIWArZ2IGJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd3PDZMz0_w Even though you won't and don't care to watch any of these because it goes directly against what your pawn says is happening these are just some numbers & reports about illegal crossings which cost us all money but you are in no mental state to realize it . I tried to stay away from fox because that just gives you another BS excuse to bait & switch but i think there is mention on here by that company so there's your chance . I expect no reasonable come back just your normal non common sense come back despite what any one says to be the reality you will never see it as such . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, T master said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1uqLRxB3i4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TDujIOBXDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIWArZ2IGJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd3PDZMz0_w Even though you won't and don't care to watch any of these because it goes directly against what your pawn says is happening these are just some numbers & reports about illegal crossings which cost us all money but you are in no mental state to realize it . I tried to stay away from fox because that just gives you another BS excuse to bait & switch but i think there is mention on here by that company so there's your chance . I expect no reasonable come back just your normal non common sense come back despite what any one says to be the reality you will never see it as such . Like I said, they contribute to the economy. Lots of workers to help us become younger, harder working and more efficient 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Like I said, they contribute to the economy. You don't get it !!! And they draw on the economy as well Because the influx of Illegals can't keep up with the influx of taxes to cover it but we can always just print more money to cover the cost & kick it down the road right ?? . Oh and what about the youth of actual American citizens ? How do they figure into your " Lots of workers to help us become younger, harder working and more efficient " is there that much a deficit of young Americans to fill a lot of those employment needs ?? Or are they just not wanting to do manual labor jobs any more ? From anything i've heard from actual employers it has become near impossible to find "American Youth" that is willing to show up 5 days or 40 hrs a week to do a job & then most of their time is spent texting while on the clock !! Which is another plus i guess too from your stand point the illegals can't afford Cell phones so there will be more production until they assimilate to the newer softer American way of not being able to live with out texting every 2 seconds or sitting behind a computer all day like some . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, T master said: Which is another plus i guess too from your stand point the illegals can't afford Cell phones Just as a point of interest: I know people who work with the recent arrivals, and they tell me that every single one comes with a cell phone. 9 minutes ago, T master said: You don't get it !!! And they draw on the economy as well True. We're talking about net benefits vs. costs. And historically I think there's a good argument that over the long term immigrants have been a benefit. Notice the two qualifiers I put in there: "historically" and "over the long term." Meaning: (1) there may be a difference today as the numbers we're seeing enter now are truly unprecedented. Sure, as a percent of our population not as "large" as in the late 1800s. But that was in a developing USA, not in the mature or even post-industrial economy we have today; (2) there are huge short term costs before we start seeing any long term benefits, and right now states and cities (and their taxpayers!) are being forced to bear those costs. So again: immigration generally good, provided that it is controlled and we are able to plan for it. Right now? Neither. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Just as a point of interest: I know people who work with the recent arrivals, and they tell me that every single one comes with a cell phone. True. We're talking about net benefits vs. costs. And historically I think there's a good argument that over the long term immigrants have been a benefit. Notice the two qualifiers I put in there: "historically" and "over the long term." Meaning: (1) there may be a difference today as the numbers we're seeing enter now are truly unprecedented. Sure, as a percent of our population not as "large" as in the late 1800s. But that was in a developing USA, not in the mature or even post-industrial economy we have today; (2) there are huge short term costs before we start seeing any long term benefits, and right now states and cities (and their taxpayers!) are being forced to bear those costs. So again: immigration generally good, provided that it is controlled and we are able to plan for it. Right now? Neither. Thank you !! Immigration is & has always been a part of the fabric of the US but there are those here that don't care at all about the terms Legal and Illegal and then what the ramifications are of the difference between the 2 which some just can't get it through their heads . There are those showing up to get in illegally for alternative agenda's, some just to free load, some to actually want to become Americans and assimilate into this culture which is great and great for the economy because they can immediately support the structure of paying into the system . Then there are those that just sit & suck up all the money they can through health care, welfare, Food stamps, taking money away from VA benefits, & many other avenues where money id diverted to support this influx and that's what i'm against is American citizens & America being put secondary to those here illegally . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, T master said: You don't get it !!! And they draw on the economy as well Because the influx of Illegals can't keep up with the influx of taxes to cover it but we can always just print more money to cover the cost & kick it down the road right ?? . Oh and what about the youth of actual American citizens ? How do they figure into your " Lots of workers to help us become younger, harder working and more efficient " is there that much a deficit of young Americans to fill a lot of those employment needs ?? Or are they just not wanting to do manual labor jobs any more ? From anything i've heard from actual employers it has become near impossible to find "American Youth" that is willing to show up 5 days or 40 hrs a week to do a job & then most of their time is spent texting while on the clock !! Which is another plus i guess too from your stand point the illegals can't afford Cell phones so there will be more production until they assimilate to the newer softer American way of not being able to live with out texting every 2 seconds or sitting behind a computer all day like some . No, essentially the economy is about people. Buying, selling, producing etc. The more people, especially young people, the better the economy functions. Your policies hurt our country 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Cant believe this thread still exist. the OP is still trying to get a win when the topic is human trafficking that produces rapes, murders, kidnapping on the way and the source. illegal immigration ran by cartels is just human trafficking. unaccompanied minors at record highs. why is that? where is AOC? where are they putting the kids? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/advocates-hhs-questions-unaccompanied-migrants-child-labor-rcna87326 In the 2023 fiscal year, U.S. Border Patrol agents are on pace to encounter nearly 100,000 unaccompanied minors at the southern border. Last month, over 7,000 unaccompanied minors were encountered at the border. Currently, there are 6,632 unaccompanied children in the custody of the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/border-coverage/unaccompanied-migrant-children-labor-trafficking/ Congressional lawmakers raise concerns about the welfare of migrant children : NPR Human trafficking and all the cultural and human suffering that comes with it, is what you are supporting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: No, essentially the economy is about people. Buying, selling, producing etc. The more people, especially young people, the better the economy functions. Your policies hurt our country But illegal immigration doesnt? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnAnderson Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) You bring up an interesting perspective on immigration and its impact on a country. It's true that immigration has historically contributed to the diversity and strength of nations. Speaking of immigration-related matters, if you're looking for information on legalizing documents for specific countries, such as China, you might find apostillelondon.com a helpful resource. It can provide valuable insights into the document legalization process. It's important to have access to reliable information when dealing with legal matters, and resources like this can be quite handy. Edited December 26, 2023 by FinnAnderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 46 minutes ago, FinnAnderson said: You bring up an interesting perspective on immigration and its impact on a country. It's true that immigration has historically contributed to the diversity and strength of nations. legal and regulated immigration does just that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmm3 Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Multiple studies have shown that it takes about 4 generations for immigrants to go from a drain on taxpayers to a help to the tax base. I don't know about you, but I don't want to wait 100 years for the drain on my tax dollars to end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Not for the victims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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