mannc Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I think that's why I message boards are here.. to have good discussions And Caleb really is only starting two and a half seasons... He took over from five Star Spencer rattler at Oklahoma... Spencer rattler was the number one pocket passer in his class and is going to get drafted this year out of South Carolina So he was sitting behind an NFL quarterback as a true freshman that he beat out... And burrow has talent.... And it took him three seasons and a transfer to shine Caleb had 21 touchdowns and four picks as a true freshman... Insane stats in a power five conference I don't think you could compare their arcs... Burrow as a finished product certainly was supreme... Caleb has been on top everywhere Certainly isn't perfect But do you know who's open downfield why he's holding the ball so long? Why does Josh hold it so long If he's holding it because nobody's open and he's trying to create it's really not his problem I don’t think that’s the case. Guys are open. I don’t think he’s processing well. Doesn’t trust what he sees. He’s going to get sacked 8 times per game if he does that in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I think that's why I message boards are here.. to have good discussions It is? I thought it was to bicker and argue and hurl ad hominems and fight over who was right. LOL Sometimes ya can't tell. I appreciate the great back-n-forth though!!! Why am I growing more concerned about our game tomorrow. By all rights this should be a 20+ point blowout. All of a sudden I'm having an anxiety attack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, mannc said: I don’t think that’s the case. Guys are open. I don’t think he’s processing well. Doesn’t trust what he sees. He’s going to get sacked 8 times per game if he does that in the NFL. Certainly my biggest question mark about him But I don't think his weapons are as good as you think they are ... Utah's defense is better than USCs offense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) I think we can agree that this is a good game… Edited October 22, 2023 by mannc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 The punter trying to get within tackling range ... LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 There’s an example, on the EP…that ball has to come out quickly and it just doesn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) Williams has plenty of opportunity this season to prove himself against top competition. USC faces three of four ranked conference opponents forthcoming. Cal sucks, but after that, Washington (currently 5th), @ Oregon (currently 9th), and then UCLA (currently 25th), then a possible conference championship game. And FWIW, Barnes, a backup, has significantly outplayed Williams in this game. Passing and running. Edited October 22, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Williams has plenty of opportunity this season to prove himself against top competition. USC faces three of four ranked conference opponents forthcoming. Cal sucks, but after that, Washington (currently 5th), @ Oregon (currently 9th), and then UCLA (currently 25th), then a possible conference championship game. In the meantime, he was outplayed by Utah’s backup QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, mannc said: In the meantime, he was outplayed by Utah’s backup QB Yup The next four games and possible CC are going to heavily impact his draft status, ... IMO. One thing's for sure, he looks like a prima donna asking for ownership at this stage of things. GO BILLS!!!! Let's hope that our offense pulls its head out of its a$$ tomorrow. G' night!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Wonder if this kid is humbled yet. He never did much in this game to put them in position to win seemed to be everyone else. Can’t believe the announcers just said Caleb did everything he could. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Bryson Barnes is giving off Taylor Heinicke vibes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, BananaB said: Wonder if this kid is humbled yet. He never did much in this game to put them in position to win seemed to be everyone else. Can’t believe the announcers just said Caleb did everything he could. Lol Seems like such a me guy.. sitting on bench seemingly with limited interest as the Utah walk on sets his team up for the GW FG. Doesn’t meet the Utah kids to hands ( at least for 5 minutes).. Utah is so well coached and a tough D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, BananaB said: Wonder if this kid is humbled yet. He never did much in this game to put them in position to win seemed to be everyone else. Can’t believe the announcers just said Caleb did everything he could. Lol Listen I don't think he's the best qb prospect I've ever seen and that's not what I'm campaigning for USC is severely overrated... They are out matched by Utah with a walk-on quarterback Caleb does not have much talent around him compared to other top schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 10/19/2023 at 4:01 AM, Solomon Grundy said: Well.... George Kittle wore a F Dallas T-shirt... 😎 Yeah saw that.. not particularly that cool either. Seems hs ish but it’s how things are in sports now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716to540 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Never heard of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, PBF81 said: It is? I thought it was to bicker and argue and hurl ad hominems and fight over who was right. LOL Sometimes ya can't tell. I appreciate the great back-n-forth though!!! Why am I growing more concerned about our game tomorrow. By all rights this should be a 20+ point blowout. All of a sudden I'm having an anxiety attack. I'll tell you right now it won't be a 20 point blowout... Division games are tough I'd like to see a 20-point win but I don't see it 53 minutes ago, mannc said: In the meantime, he was outplayed by Utah’s backup QB Or Utah has a much better team around their backup quarterback which I've been saying Williams on Utah is a national championship quality team... But Utah can't recruit a quarterback of that pedigree ... Cam rising is a stud but he ain't Williams... Utah is so good top to bottom they can roll with a quarterback who walked on last year and be legit and beat USC There's only a handful of schools that can get a five-star number one quarterback out of HS... Utah almost out classes USC at every position besides quarterback and it shows Today was what I expected The better team won Edited October 22, 2023 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 40 minutes ago, benderbender said: Bryson Barnes is giving off Taylor Heinicke vibes Is that a good thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I'll tell you right now it won't be a 20 point blowout... Division games are tough I'd like to see a 20-point win but I don't see it Well, as pointed out, the average score of the last four games is 35-18 us, and this Pats team is worse than any of those teams. 13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Or Utah has a much better team around their backup quarterback which I've been saying Williams on Utah is a national championship quality team... But Utah can't recruit a quarterback of that pedigree ... Cam rising is a stud but he ain't Williams... Utah is so good top to bottom they can roll with a quarterback who walked on last year and be legit and beat USC There's only a handful of schools that can get a five-star number one quarterback out of HS... Utah almost out classes USC at every position besides quarterback and it shows Today was what I expected The better team won Be that as it may, he hasn't stepped up on any of his biggest games. It's safe to say that QBs with less talent around them, are playing better than that against comparable teams. The message appears to be, listen to what people say, despite the fact that he simply hasn't stepped up in the couple of big games he's played. Not even average. My methodology includes having more/ample proof before drawing conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Well, as pointed out, the average score of the last four games is 35-18 us, and this Pats team is worse than any of those teams. Be that as it may, he hasn't stepped up on any of his biggest games. It's safe to say that QBs with less talent around them, are playing better than that against comparable teams. The message appears to be, listen to what people say, despite the fact that he simply hasn't stepped up in the couple of big games he's played. Not even average. My methodology includes having more/ample proof before drawing conclusions. To be fair, you're saying a Heisman trophy winner doesn't step up in big games, when he is usually insanely good... Even against bad matchups USCs backup quarterback if he play today they lose by 20... Williams did put it on the line You don't understand the drop off between Williams and his backup... And how utahs defense is schematically a problem for USC... And Williams had a great game versus it last year He scored 42 points in a loss to Utah last year ... 45 In a loss to tulane... 32 in a loss today He had 381 yards five touchdowns versus Utah last year ... Lol They're not losing because of him... They have nobody else rallying around him Could you imagine Caleb Williams on Oklahoma right now? With a defense People would be gushing... Williams has the most pressure on any returning college football player I could remember in the last 15 years He certainly isn't perfect... He absolutely isn't a sure thing... But with the way the modern game is going... His tools are amazing... Any great coach should be able to get amazing things out of him Edited October 22, 2023 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 29 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I'll tell you right now it won't be a 20 point blowout... Division games are tough I'd like to see a 20-point win but I don't see it Or Utah has a much better team around their backup quarterback which I've been saying Williams on Utah is a national championship quality team... But Utah can't recruit a quarterback of that pedigree ... Cam rising is a stud but he ain't Williams... Utah is so good top to bottom they can roll with a quarterback who walked on last year and be legit and beat USC There's only a handful of schools that can get a five-star number one quarterback out of HS... Utah almost out classes USC at every position besides quarterback and it shows Today was what I expected The better team won And yet Utah got smoked by Oregon State at home. This is the same Utah team that they have every year. I’d be willing to bet that USC has had much higher rated recruiting classes than Utah the last three years…I’ll grant you that Utah is better coached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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