Justice Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, sherpa said: Yep. I am absolutely OK with Israel having them, as I am with the US. A regime which routinely promises to rid the world of the nation of Israel is a different story. A nation that has a main square in it's capitol that has a countdown clock to mark the end of Israel. A nation run by wacky religious nuts who treat one gender as inferior, to the point of executing them for clothing is, in my mind, not one that I hope had the ability to deliver a nuclear warhead to it's avowed enemy, who isn't bothering it at all. No problem with Israel having them at all. No problem with Israel brilliantly taking out Iraqi and Syrian nuc facilities. It’s hypocritical. Guess you never heard of the Samson Option. I also guess you never heard what many Jewish people said about Christians and how they spit on them. They hate Muslims and Christians. Every accusation is a confession with these people. ‘Iran will use the nukes’ B word so will you. Foh. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, Justice said: It’s hypocritical. Guess you never heard of the Samson Option. You are quite incorrect. I am very familiar with the Samson option, to a degree of what I think they actually possess, and their reluctance to use it, although they were a day away from moving in that direction under Golda Meir. So.....You're wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 20 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Your emotion is clouding your already faulty reasoning. You agree with me. Speed bumps removed. Yes! I have no emotion. This is a repeated fallacy that you continuously claim. BS now. BS always. Of of your nonsense claims, and back to the issue, Iran never stopped developing their nuclear capability and they never will as long as the current theocratic lunatics are in place. Moving the date of this confrontation, however that occurs, is not really that meaningful. The Obama/Kerry JCPOA might have changed the date, but it delivered inevitability, which may have been less desirable. Something is going to happen with them, and it doesn't matter who is in power in the US executive. They are sworn to it, believe it to be determined by their god, and their god given mission, and are tracking in that direction. They are either overthrown internally, or engaged externally, but the path is clear, and not pleasant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 29 minutes ago, sherpa said: You are quite incorrect. I am very familiar with the Samson option, to a degree of what I think they actually possess, and their reluctance to use it, although they were a day away from moving in that direction under Golda Meir. So.....You're wrong. I said “I guess”, because logic dictates if you knew then you shouldn’t have the stance you have regarding Israel having nukes. Here is a country more than willing to use them and you’re ok with it. So yes it’s hypocritical. And let us not forget how they obtained those nukes in the first place. They most likely obtained that knowledge from the people that made ours and that method was most likely illegal. With allies like that who needs enemies? Edited April 11 by Justice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 5 minutes ago, Justice said: I said “I guess”, because logic dictates if you knew then you shouldn’t have the stance you have regarding Israel having nukes. Here is a country more than willing to use them and you’re ok with it. So yes it’s hypocritical. And let us not forget how they obtained those nukes in the first place. They most likely obtained that knowledge from the people that made ours and that method was most likely illegal. With allies like that who needs enemies? I have no issue with Israel having them. I am aware of when they achieved that capability and aware of the restraint since then. Israel was attacked on the first day of its existence by a multi nation consortium. They have been threatened and attacked ever since. They are not going to be eliminated without massive response. That is the reality and I have no problem with that posture. On the other hand, I have serious concerns about a lunatic regime that does little other than export death and terror. I wish the majority of sane people there would get rid of their scourge, but the don't seem willing. Additionally, there seems to be pretty good evidence that the rogue group with significant weapon access, the IRGC, is somewhat uncontrolled. This is going to get hotter. The Biden admin should authorize the US Navy to sink the Iranian ship that is providing targeting information, and they should sink it yesterday. Daily defending against attacks on shipping is a foolish posture, and further encourages them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 10 minutes ago, sherpa said: I have no issue with Israel having them. I am aware of when they achieved that capability and aware of the restraint since then. Israel was attacked on the first day of its existence by a multi nation consortium. They have been threatened and attacked ever since. They are not going to be eliminated without massive response. That is the reality and I have no problem with that posture. On the other hand, I have serious concerns about a lunatic regime that does little other than export death and terror. I wish the majority of sane people there would get rid of their scourge, but the don't seem willing. Additionally, there seems to be pretty good evidence that the rogue group with significant weapon access, the IRGC, is somewhat uncontrolled. This is going to get hotter. The Biden admin should authorize the US Navy to sink the Iranian ship that is providing targeting information, and they should sink it yesterday. Daily defending against attacks on shipping is a foolish posture, and further encourages them. Two can play that game. Netanyahu’s far right government is full of “lunatics”, like you put it, as well. It isn’t just Iran. Some of them have been heard saying they should use nukes on Gaza. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 9 minutes ago, Justice said: Two can play that game. Netanyahu’s far right government is full of “lunatics”, like you put it, as well. It isn’t just Iran. Some of them have been heard saying they should use nukes on Gaza. I have no concern and no interest in silly quotes from people. Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades. They have not used them. They are not trying to overthrow a nation. They have not sworn to eliminate a neighbor. They are not actively shipping scores of weapons to moron surrogates to attack civilian populations. They are not disrupting shipping in international waters, and preventing weapons being shipped to Hezbollah for attacks on Israeli citizens is not a valid argument. Iran is doing all of this, including attacking US combatants, and our administration is doing nothing to prevent the attacks. Responding to them, at incredible expense, is not preventing them, and a senseless posture. It is quite likely that something is going to cross the line. Maybe its the Iranian response to the assassination of Iranian weapons dealers in Damascus, whatever that might be. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 26 minutes ago, sherpa said: I have no concern and no interest in silly quotes from people. Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades. They have not used them. They are not trying to overthrow a nation. They have not sworn to eliminate a neighbor. They are not actively shipping scores of weapons to moron surrogates to attack civilian populations. They are not disrupting shipping in international waters, and preventing weapons being shipped to Hezbollah for attacks on Israeli citizens is not a valid argument. Iran is doing all of this, including attacking US combatants, and our administration is doing nothing to prevent the attacks. Responding to them, at incredible expense, is not preventing them, and a senseless posture. It is quite likely that something is going to cross the line. Maybe it’s the Iranian response to the assassination of Iranian weapons dealers in Damascus, whatever that might be. Wow. Silly quotes. As if he made fart jokes. “They’re not trying to overthrow a nation” lol. Nah just Palestine since 1948. “They have not sworn to overthrow a nation”. Lol lukid’s slogan says that precisely what they want to do “They are not actively shipping scores of weapons to moron surrogates to attack civilian populations.”. Nah the US is doing that for them “They are not disrupting shipping in international waters, and preventing weapons being shipped to Hezbollah for attacks on Israeli citizens is not a valid argument.”. Nah they’re just blockading good from entering an exiting Gaza for the last 16 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just think. If the ottoman empire was still in its glory. There wouldn't even be a discussion about Jewish people having their own nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Of the two belligerents, one has carved an incredibly successful democracy in the desert. Scores of objective metrics support that, from patents to pharmaceuticals to electronics and it goes on and on. The other is beholden to a nut country that supplies them unguided weapons to kill neighbors with. Seventeen years of control and Hamas has done nothing other than build an underground war machine. Nothing other than the promise of death and poverty. Now, as they are getting their asses kicked, again, they plea for the international community to impose a ceasefire which they broke. It is exactly as it was in the six day war and yom kippur. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, sherpa said: I have no emotion. Wow, that's crazy! It's almost as if you will say anything when you get excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Wow, that's crazy! It's almost as if you will say anything when you get excited! Post makes no sense, as usual. You have averred a false premise and continue to attempt justify it. It is nonsense. You have no ability to excite anyone, least of all me. I think you are an uninformed class clown who offers nothing of substantive value. A Democrat spokesperson who damages your obvious intent, because the stupid posts are so juvenile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 5 minutes ago, sherpa said: Post makes no sense, as usual. You have averred a false premise and continue to attempt justify it. It is nonsense. You have no ability to excite anyone, least of all me. I think you are an uninformed class clown who offers nothing of substantive value. A Democrat spokesperson who damages your obvious intent, because the stupid posts are so juvenile. You really have no emotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 40 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You really have no emotion? Regarding what you post or silly suggestions of irritation? No. I lost interest in anything you have to say when you first called me a coward, and I offered to donate a significant amount of money to the charity of your choice if I could not prove bona fides. You disappeared like a cockroach in the light. Since then, you post nothing indicating any objective, informed view. It is simply hanging Dem talking points upon Dem talking points. Nada. Simply Nada. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: Just think. If the ottoman empire was still in its glory. There wouldn't even be a discussion about Jewish people having their own nation. We'd all just be sitting around with our feet up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Hamas May Not Have Enough Living Hostages for Cease-Fire Deal Conservative criminal defense attorney and columnist Marina Medvin called it a "devastating Hostage negotiations update" because that's exactly what it is. In the ongoing negotiations between Israel and the Hamas terror organization, Hamas officials now say that "they wouldn’t commit to releasing 40 living hostages but could commit to 40 hostages total, dead or alive." "Instead, the militant group has been unable to confirm that it has enough civilian hostages to fulfill its end of the deal in the initial phase of the proposed plan," according to the Wall Street Journal. Quote The admission by the militant group, which took more than 240 hostages during its lethal Oct. 7 attack on Israel, has heightened fears among families of the hostages, who are piling pressure on the Israeli government to cut a deal with Hamas that would pause the fighting and free at least some of the remaining captives. Medvin added, "Israeli military did not comment on estimates of how many hostages may remain alive." Sometimes, there's nothing worse than being right, and this is one of those times. Two weeks ago, I came to the sad conclusion that Hamas probably has "few or no living hostages left to trade. Through abuse, neglect, or just Hamas terrorists getting its thrills, the hostages might all be dead." The hostages include — or, I should say, included — six Americans that, to the best of my knowledge, Presidentish Joe Biden has never raised as an issue with Hamas. I also can't find any record of Biden mentioning any of those six Americans by name. That might be an unprecedented (but certainly intentional) lapse by an American president. It also gives lie to Biden's claim that his support for Israel is "ironclad" since he won't provide as little as lip service to Hamas' American hostages. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-may-not-have-enough-living-hostages-for-cease-fire-deal-61606c66 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Irv Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 6 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Kuwait would be Southern Iraq if it weren't for the USA. You're welcome douche bags. This demonstrates the complete incompetence and weakness of Demented Biden and Third Term Obammy. Great. Another war. Never would have happened under Trump or any other prior POTUS. But we have these clowns running the country. What a disaster. What a mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 18 minutes ago, Irv said: Kuwait would be Southern Iraq if it weren't for the USA. You're welcome douche bags. I think it's time to reconsider our relationship with Kuwait. Kuwait expelled 287,000 Palestinians after we kicked Iraq out because of the PLO's support of the Iraqi invasion. I was also told that Kuwait billed the US for any fuel needed during our leadership of the coalition that liberated their country. Not a fan, and they need to understand that they have no capability to use international waters to export their fuel without US Navy support against Iran or others willing to deny that. Time for a B word slap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12 Author Share Posted April 12 14 hours ago, B-Man said: Hamas May Not Have Enough Living Hostages for Cease-Fire Deal Conservative criminal defense attorney and columnist Marina Medvin called it a "devastating Hostage negotiations update" because that's exactly what it is. In the ongoing negotiations between Israel and the Hamas terror organization, Hamas officials now say that "they wouldn’t commit to releasing 40 living hostages but could commit to 40 hostages total, dead or alive." "Instead, the militant group has been unable to confirm that it has enough civilian hostages to fulfill its end of the deal in the initial phase of the proposed plan," according to the Wall Street Journal. Medvin added, "Israeli military did not comment on estimates of how many hostages may remain alive." Sometimes, there's nothing worse than being right, and this is one of those times. Two weeks ago, I came to the sad conclusion that Hamas probably has "few or no living hostages left to trade. Through abuse, neglect, or just Hamas terrorists getting its thrills, the hostages might all be dead." The hostages include — or, I should say, included — six Americans that, to the best of my knowledge, Presidentish Joe Biden has never raised as an issue with Hamas. I also can't find any record of Biden mentioning any of those six Americans by name. That might be an unprecedented (but certainly intentional) lapse by an American president. It also gives lie to Biden's claim that his support for Israel is "ironclad" since he won't provide as little as lip service to Hamas' American hostages. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-may-not-have-enough-living-hostages-for-cease-fire-deal-61606c66 And Israel might have killed the hostages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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