sherpa Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Trump shouldn't have pulled out of the nuclear deal. Now Iran is on the way to a bomb much sooner More idiocy. Devoid of any understanding of the issue. No surprise 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 10 Author Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, sherpa said: More idiocy. Devoid of any understanding of the issue. No surprise More denial, more silliness. More pretend wisdom from a person who completely lacks it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 14 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: A genoside is an actual thing with definitions. And the last I knew the MSM and You are quoting HAMAS data to support the "Genoside" narrative. Its a ***** show that needs to end, but its not the genocide the current thing mobs are screaming. Genocide: the deliberate killing or severe mistreatment of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group: HAMAS is the group being eradicated. They hide behind the Palestinians. using them as Martyr. “With the aim of destroying that nation…”. Have you seen Gaza? Their entire infrastructure is destroyed. They’ve wiped out all the hospitals, all the universities, think I heard something like 70% of the homes, over 1.5m people are displaced. If that’s not destroying a nation I don’t know what is 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: Trump shouldn't have pulled out of the nuclear deal. Now Iran is on the way to a bomb much sooner I’d prefer nobody had nukes, but since some do I wish everyone had nukes. If they did we wouldn’t see the ***** we’re seeing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 7 hours ago, Justice said: “With the aim of destroying that nation…”. Have you seen Gaza? Their entire infrastructure is destroyed. They’ve wiped out all the hospitals, all the universities, think I heard something like 70% of the homes, over 1.5m people are displaced. If that’s not destroying a nation I don’t know what is I’d prefer nobody had nukes, but since some do I wish everyone had nukes. If they did we wouldn’t see the ***** we’re seeing now. I dunno, no WW3 since nukes have been around, and I prefer democratic nations only have the bomb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 ⬆️ Anti American, marxist, terrorist sympathizer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 17 hours ago, Tiberius said: Trump shouldn't have pulled out of the nuclear deal. Now Iran is on the way to a bomb much sooner That nuclear deal was a sham. It was we pretend to not be developing atomic weapons and you pretend to be watching us not do it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: That nuclear deal was a sham. It was we pretend to not be developing atomic weapons and you pretend to be watching us not do it. No, it actually worked. We had monitors, they were not making a bomb, then Trump pulled us out, and now they are making a bomb. Pretty straight forward 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, it actually worked. We had monitors, they were not making a bomb, then Trump pulled us out, and now they are making a bomb. Pretty straight forward No. They never stopped. They were able to hide it a bit better, but they never stopped. Very similar to the "Agreed Framework," with North Korea, negotiated by Carter without advice from the Clinton Administration. North Korea didn't stop, and Iran didn't either. Edited April 11 by sherpa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 Just now, sherpa said: No. They never stopped. They were able to hide it a bit better, but they never stopped. Very similar to the "Agreed Framework," negotiated by Carter without advice from the Clinton Administration. North Korea didn't stop, and Iran didn't either. Got any proof? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 30 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, it actually worked. We had monitors, they were not making a bomb, then Trump pulled us out, and now they are making a bomb. Pretty straight forward No really. They were faking it all along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: No really. They were faking it all along. Sure, I believe you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just now, Tiberius said: Sure, I believe you As much as I believe you too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Stuxnet was in 2010. the planning spanned Bush and Obamas term. Stuxnet explained: The first known cyberweapon | CSO Online Who created Stuxnet? It’s now widely accepted that Stuxnet was created by the intelligence agencies of the United States and Israel. Stuxnet was first identified by the infosec community in 2010, but development on it probably began in 2005. The U.S. and Israeli governments intended Stuxnet as a tool to derail, or at least delay, the Iranian program to develop nuclear weapons. The classified program to develop the worm was given the code name “Operation Olympic Games“; it was begun under President George W. Bush and continued under President Obama. While neither government has ever officially acknowledged developing Stuxnet, a 2011 video created to celebrate the retirement of Israeli Defense Forces head Gabi Ashkenazi listed Stuxnet as one of the successes under his watch. However, he explained that a lot about code could be understood from examining the binary in action and reverse-engineering it. For instance, he says, “it was pretty obvious from the first time we analyzed this app that it was looking for some Siemens equipment.” Eventually, after three to six months of reverse engineering, “we were able to determine, I would say, 99 percent of everything that happens in the code,” O’Murchu said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 48 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Got any proof? Yes. I have proof that I keep in my basement. The Iranian nuclear program was unable to hide their nuclear program from me. Seriously, there are intel sources I trust way more than political hacks in the US. Israel has far better capability in that area than we do, and they determined the program was ongoing. Further, this so called JCPOA was negotiated by John Kerry, who has loves the camera far more than he likes deals that are actually effective. He's another Dem wind bag who has publicity interests that outweigh his patriotism, and it's been that way since his Viet Nam service. The JCPOA guaranteed that Iran would develop a nuclear weapon over time. Clearly, Trump doing what he did removed speed bumps in that process, but they are NEVER going to abandon their nuc weapon program. They can be stopped, but it involves a lot of kinetic energy that is unpleasant. That's the reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: And at the same time you have no issue with Netanyahu giving them millions. Also they knew the funds were going through Qatar and allowed it. 1 hour ago, sherpa said: No. They never stopped. They were able to hide it a bit better, but they never stopped. Very similar to the "Agreed Framework," with North Korea, negotiated by Carter without advice from the Clinton Administration. North Korea didn't stop, and Iran didn't either. But you’re ok with Israel having them. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 5 minutes ago, sherpa said: Yes. I have proof that I keep in my basement. The Iranian nuclear program was unable to hide their nuclear program from me. Seriously, there are intel sources I trust way more than political hacks in the US. Israel has far better capability in that area than we do, and they determined the program was ongoing. Further, this so called JCPOA was negotiated by John Kerry, who has loves the camera far more than he likes deals that are actually effective. He's another Dem wind bag who has publicity interests that outweigh his patriotism, and it's been that way since his Viet Nam service. The JCPOA guaranteed that Iran would develop a nuclear weapon over time. Clearly, Trump doing what he did removed speed bumps in that process, but they are NEVER going to abandon their nuc weapon program. They can be stopped, but it involves a lot of kinetic energy that is unpleasant. That's the reality. We’ve been hearing Iran is months away from having a nuclear bomb for years… https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRT7LVXX/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 20 minutes ago, sherpa said: Yes. Clearly, Trump doing what he did removed speed bumps in that process, Glad you agree with me. Trump sped up Iran's nuclear program. That's all I said Really, you should control your emotions better, they lead to silly back peddling and tortured logic to simply arrive at what I was saying anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 17 minutes ago, Justice said: But you’re ok with Israel having them. Got it. Yep. I am absolutely OK with Israel having them, as I am with the US. A regime which routinely promises to rid the world of the nation of Israel is a different story. A nation that has a main square in it's capitol that has a countdown clock to mark the end of Israel. A nation run by wacky religious nuts who treat one gender as inferior, to the point of executing them for clothing is, in my mind, not one that I hope had the ability to deliver a nuclear warhead to it's avowed enemy, who isn't bothering it at all. No problem with Israel having them at all. No problem with Israel brilliantly taking out Iraqi and Syrian nuc facilities. 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Glad you agree with me. Trump sped up Iran's nuclear program. That's all I said Really, you should control your emotions better, they lead to silly back peddling and tortured logic to simply arrive at what I was saying anyway You do this stupid nonsense of claiming that people are angry or emotional. You don't have that capability to effect that with anyone, certainly not me. Further, I disagree with you immensely on this issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 11 Author Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: Further, I disagree with you immensely on this issue. Your emotion is clouding your already faulty reasoning. You agree with me. Speed bumps removed. Yes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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