If Kincaid can fill the slot role of this team...

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

That's fair. I took it a step further. If I can continue that theme. 

 

Whose offense at do you trust more come playoff time? For me, it's KC all day everyday. They are the proven commodity. I didn't think KC could shred that Eagle defense like that. 

 

Well, LOL, that's a somewhat different matter.  Since you ask in the present, I'll answer in the present.  

 

They are the proven commodity and IMO that's the difference between McD/Dorsey, McD/Daboll, and Reid/Bienemy, with the emphasis on Reid since he's an offensively oriented coach.  As you know, I'm not an apologist of McD.  No need to rehash the details.  However, to the extent that they have the edge, I would say that the dramatic difference is Reid v. McD, and it is dramatic IMO.  

 

Having said that, other than for the Cincy game, offense has not been our problem.  Again, keeping it in the present, I'll use the last two season's playoffs.  Apart from the Cincy game, and I'll defer to the benefit of the doubt on that one re: all the issues we faced last season, but apart from that game, in the other three playoff games over the past two seasons (3 other games), in regulation we averaged 39 Points-per-Game, 25.7 1st-Downs, 312 Passing Yards, and 442 Total Yards.  I'm not sure how anyone could impugn an offense for doing that regularly.  

 

In contrast, in their 6 postseason games over the past two seasons in regulation, KC has averaged 31.7 Points-per-Game, 24.5 1st-Downs, 282 Passing Yards, and 411 Total Yards.  So I fail to see how our offense was the problem, other than for the difference between McD and Reid in situational coaching.  Even then, for us to outproduce them like that is impressive.  

 

Since we were also talking about the dropoff in play between Hill v. Smith-Schuster, but for reference purposes, in the playoffs in regulation, the difference between 2021 (Hill) and 2022 (Smith-Schuster) was 4.7 Points-per-Game, 4.4 1st-Downs, 65 Passing Yards, and 90 Total Yards, which is nothing to sneeze at, nor can it be ignored.  

 

So what's the dropoff this season from Smith-Shuster to Moore or Toney?  I'd say that it'll be significant.  So I don't share that view that losing Smith-Schuster now too won't matter.  

 

 

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

How did the #1 and #2 ranked Bills defense do come playoff time the last few years? Don't get lost in the stats. Bills O vs the Bengals D? 

 

I would argue the same, don't get lost in anything regarding the offense.  The Defense, as you accurately said, was ranked 2nd and 1st the past two seasons respectively going back.  In the 2022 playoffs however, where we had the 2nd-ranked Scoring D on the regular season, for all teams that had at least two playoff games, we ranked 7th out of 8, and embarrassingly behind the first four teams.  And Miami, which we allowed 31 points to, was the second worst scoring team in the divisional round, only the Giants were worse.  So it's not as if we faced the top two scoring teams.  

In 2021 we had the 1st-ranked regular season Scoring D, but in the playoffs, of all teams that played at least two games, we ranked 5th out of 6, and again, embarassingly behind the first three teams, and only the Chiefs were worse. 

 

So from where I sit, that's really the core of the problem, and considering that McD is a Defensively oriented coach .... 

 

Again, this season will reveal much there.   

 

 

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

The Chiefs will gladly take regular season losses to the Bills. It will gladly accept the Bills being the statistically better ranked O. Come playoff time, the Chiefs know how to beat the Bills. They could careless what the stats say or the regular season. 

 

That's true, but every season is a different season as we shall see.  IMO, other than for OL, we have better skill position talent than the Chiefs do.  Coaching of course may once again be our undoing.  We'll see, but we nearly beat them in 2021 and should have, it wasn't the players that lost that game much less the Offense.  

 

I simply disagree with this notion that no matter who KC's receivers are, their offense is still the best in the league.  (n fact, in their two first playoff games in the Division and Conference Championship rounds, KC only averaged 25 PPG which was only 3 points above-average on the season, and 360 YPG, only about 20 YPG better than average on the season.  Those were against the 21st and 28th ranked Scoring Ds, and the 7th and 24th ranked Yardage Ds.  We shall see.  

 

 

[T master]

On 8/9/2023 at 9:16 AM, Cray51 said:

Our offense will hum like it did to start the year.

 

When you go back and watch the first quarter of last year, the guy that consistently jumps out as making big time plays was - Isiah McKenzie.  They used him in the slot role, and he was an outlet Josh looked to multiple times throughout the game.  As the year went on, Isiah made some mistakes (thinking of that fumble against the Chiefs) and started to struggle.  All of a sudden, Diggs wasn't generating as much, Davis looked poor, and our offense looked disjointed.

 

This team benefits from having a true slot option.  Josh can play pocket passer more frequently if so.  If Kincaid can come in and force teams to truly defend the slot, the rest of our offense opens up BIG time.

 

I think it's the single biggest question mark on offense going into the year.

 

Well they have been looking for someone to do what Beasley did for Josh while he was here . Since they got rid of Bease the offense has lacked that dependable go to guy, so if he can do what Beasley did and add to that his YAC yards yes this offense will be very scary .

 

Put on top of that the improvement IMHO of the running game O M G this could be vewy vewy exciting .

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, T master said:

 

Well they have been looking for someone to do what Beasley did for Josh while he was here . Since they got rid of Bease the offense has lacked that dependable go to guy, so if he can do what Beasley did and add to that his YAC yards yes this offense will be very scary .

 

Put on top of that the improvement IMHO of the running game O M G this could be vewy vewy exciting .

I hear you. Very valid data and analysis. 

 

I just can't get out of my mind how a one legged QB led his team to the SB. Along the way he beat an upcoming team and an elite and dangerous Cincinnati team. How he shredded the elite Philly D. 

 

I may be wrong but I'm pretty convinced Mahones and Reid will excell no matter who their WRs are. Don't overlook how good their oline is. That's really a key piece to their success. Can we say the same for the Bills? 

 

Agree 100 percent on your coaching comments. 

Edited August 11, 2023 by newcam2012

[Big Turk]

10 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

The Bills defense could have held the Chiefs to a FG. That's what I was hoping for real time. Or even better the Chiefs would go for it on 4th down and miss. 

 

Sure it was a huge asking for the Bills D. In real time, I was hoping the D could make a big play. The Bills D looked scared, timid, and playing not to lose. 

 

As a result, Hill made a huge play and crushed Bills fans. One for the history books! 

 

Based on how the game had gone up to that point what have you any confidence that either defense would have done that? Whoever had the ball first in OT was winning that's game.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Big Turk

[newcam2012]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Based on how the game had gone up to that point what have you any confidence that either defense would have done that? Whoever had the ball first in OT was winning that's game.

Agree but that didn't mean that either defense couldn't have made a big play. 

 

I'm pretty sure you still had hope even after the Bills lost the coin toss. 

[Punching Bag]

If Kincaid plays receiver more than tight end and at end of contract Bills try to tag him he may argue he needs to be tagged at the higher WR price.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree but that didn't mean that either defense couldn't have made a big play. 

 

I'm pretty sure you still had hope even after the Bills lost the coin toss. 

 

Obviously had hope but realistically I knew it was over.

[Royale with Cheese]

If Kincaid can fill the slot role very well, James Cook is going to explode in the run game as well.