90sBills Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Diggs is on such a different level than Sherfield right now that stuff like that probably doesn't register with him. Let Sherfield start taking snaps or targets from him and then see. Until then, I doubt Sherfield and praise of Sherfield are even on his radar. And even if they were, the "Diggs is mad because DHop wasn't signed with the money freed up by re-negotiating his contract:" crowd should expect him to be pleased if one of the Bills signings looks like he might work out (and take some defensive attention from Diggs). Agreed. My original comment was in jest. Didn’t think it would ruffle feathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/25/2023 at 12:24 AM, oldmanfan said: So you think those three have done nothing this off-season to improve? That they aren’t all in to win? Wasn’t Diggs just in France? Come on now. Both could be true, Josh could be all in to win, but does he work as hard as he did after his rookie year? I have no idea if Diggs was in France, but if he was, so what. I'm not talking about one trip. I'm not saying they can't take a vacation. I'm just wondering about Josh's commitment when he's at every golf tournament. As a matter of fact he was at the tournament in Rochester and was interviewed on TV. All he could talk about was all the tournaments he was able to see and would see. He even lamented the one he would have to miss because of training camp. Then I see the rumors about him and Hailee Steinfeld and how they are seen about the town in NY. Does he still have the work ethic to get better, like he had when he made a meteoric improvement after his rookie year. I have no doubt he wants to win, but it takes a lot of work to stay at the top of your game and to even improve. I hope he proves me wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/25/2023 at 10:26 PM, Aimee75 said: This is such a dumb take. I am sorry, but it is. If we are going to complain about Allen dating a movie star and doing golf outings, we would have to do the same for Diggs and his modeling. FWIW I have no issues with either. I have no worries about either of them regarding being focused and driven when it comes to Football, at all. They both prove it year in and out. Josh being in commercials did not hinder his performance last season. He was well in the MVP race till he got an elbow injury. These guys are allowed to have lives and other interests in the off season. This is such a dumb take. He was never really in the MVP race. Josh Allen had the most turnovers in the NFL in 2022. Let that sink in, THE MOST!! I never said they weren't allowed to have lives. I'm just commenting on what I have observed this off season. To be the best at something, it takes hard work. It takes commitment. As I've said, I hope I'm wrong. Also, if you want to have a conversation, don't start off by calling the other person dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 This thread has provided nothing to the over polluted MB. Where are the Mods? Lock this crap up already. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: This is such a dumb take. He was never really in the MVP race. Josh Allen had the most turnovers in the NFL in 2022. Let that sink in, THE MOST!! I never said they weren't allowed to have lives. I'm just commenting on what I have observed this off season. To be the best at something, it takes hard work. It takes commitment. As I've said, I hope I'm wrong. Also, if you want to have a conversation, don't start off by calling the other person dumb. Brett Favre , Eli manning and Phillip Rivers all led the league in turnovers All 3 will be HoF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/25/2023 at 1:55 AM, Doc Brown said: Josh Allen showed up at all the voluntary OTA's. Diggs didn't. So to think that Diggs was trying to send a wake up call to Allen, McDermott, and Dorsey to work harder to win next season like he does is laughable. Come on man. Stop making excuses for his selfish behavior. Those were voluntary. Why people like to criticize players for not showing up to voluntary practice has always perplexed me. But anyway, we will see this year if it was selfish or a desire to win. I saw a guy in the Cincinnati game who was upset about losing. I didn't see that same passion in the rest of the offense that day. I still think this whole thing might end up helping the team. Remember the bickering Bills? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Brett Favre , Eli manning and Phillip Rivers all led the league in turnovers All 3 will be HoF That is a good point except for Philip Rivers who was a no show for the most part in the playoffs. Also, Eli Manning kind of sucked, but won in the playoffs because of great defense and some clutch throws and great catches, but I do give him credit for those wins, just that he wouldn't have done it without that great defense. Favre was great and at times was terrible. He won one Super Bowl. I'm not sure The Bills will get even one with Josh Allen, because of the talent in the AFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: That is a good point except for Philip Rivers who was a no show for the most part in the playoffs. Also, Eli Manning kind of sucked, but won in the playoffs because of great defense and some clutch throws and great catches, but I do give him credit for those wins, just that he wouldn't have done it without that great defense. Favre was great and at times was terrible. He won one Super Bowl. I'm not sure The Bills will get even one with Josh Allen, because of the talent in the AFC. It’s a team game …. 40 year old Philip Rivers balled out in the playoffs with the Colts against us… throwing dimes at 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It’s a team game …. 40 year old Philip Rivers balled out in the playoffs with the Colts against us… throwing dimes at 38 He lost 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: He lost 🤦♂️ Not because of him lol and does team game not register ? It’s 1 of 52 Peyton Manning couldn’t do it all by himself … There’s a reason Eli refused to go to San Diego Edited June 30, 2023 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Not because of him lol and does team game not register ? It’s 1 of 52 Peyton Manning couldn’t do it all by himself … There’s a reason Eli refused to go to San Diego He couldn't get it done in the clutch, go back and look at that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, first_and_ten said: He couldn't get it done in the clutch, go back and look at that game Phillip rivers is going to the Hall of Fame and is better Then any quarterback the bills have ever had not named Kelly or Allen We would’ve killed for Philip Rivers before Josh Allen You’re acting like he’s Jay Cutler Edited June 30, 2023 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Phillip rivers is going to the Hall of Fame and is better Then any quarterback the bills have ever had not named Kelly or Allen We would’ve killed for Philip Rivers before Josh Allen You’re acting like he’s Jay Cutler Bills have never had good quarterbacks not named Kelly or Allen. You might make a case for Ferguson. So really, you've gone way off topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: Bills have never had good quarterbacks not named Kelly or Allen. You might make a case for Ferguson. So really, you've gone way off topic Phillip rivers is better than a lot of teams best quarterbacks… Points stands he led the NFL in turnovers… So did Favre.. Peyton Manning and Eli Manning And all are great quarterbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Phillip rivers is better than a lot of teams best quarterbacks… Points stands he led the NFL in turnovers… So did Favre.. Peyton Manning and Eli Manning And all are great quarterbacks Like I said, you've taken this conversation on new path. I never said Rivers was a bad quarterback. Why are we talking about Rivers? By the way, Rivers has not won a Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, first_and_ten said: Like I said, you've taken this conversation on new path. I never said Rivers was a bad quarterback. Why are we talking about Rivers? By the way, Rivers has not won a Super Bowl My original comment to you was because you were talking about how Allen led the league in turnovers Which obviously isn’t good but it doesn’t mean he’s on some awful path Then I named a bunch of great quarterbacks who also did the same… relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: My original comment to you was because you were talking about how Allen led the league in turnovers Which obviously isn’t good but it doesn’t mean he’s on some awful path Then I named a bunch of great quarterbacks who also did the same… relevant My whole point was not to say Allen was a bad quarterback, but that I'm not sure he's as focused as he was before 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, first_and_ten said: Those were voluntary. Why people like to criticize players for not showing up to voluntary practice has always perplexed me. But anyway, we will see this year if it was selfish or a desire to win. I saw a guy in the Cincinnati game who was upset about losing. I didn't see that same passion in the rest of the offense that day. I still think this whole thing might end up helping the team. Remember the bickering Bills? Come on man. You made the claim that Allen wasn't as focused and committed as he was before and Diggs was calling him out on that. Allen showing up at voluntary OTA's and Diggs not showing up kind of throws a wrench in your theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: My whole point was not to say Allen was a bad quarterback, but that I'm not sure he's as focused as he was before This coming season is a critical one for him. His trajectory has taken a dip. Let’s see if he can turn it around in the right direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Come on man. You made the claim that Allen wasn't as focused and committed as he was before and Diggs was calling him out on that. Allen showing up at voluntary OTA's and Diggs not showing up kind of throws a wrench in your theory. I said he may not be as focused as before because of all the distractions. Didn't you read where I said that I hope I am wrong? Allen HAS to show up at the voluntary OTAs. If he didn't, that would be a story, every though it's voluntary. Diggs not showing up for voluntary OTAs proves my point. He's making a statement. He wants a change somewhere. I think now they are listening. This may help in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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