Good listen

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

12 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

All GMs miss

A general manager is not gonna have a slip on his desk whenever his team just went 13 and three

Yeah but they missed on every DL pick they've made. Multiple bad picks 

[JerseyBills]

I heard this live. The last stat about Buf not having a top 40 DL in pass rush win rate in the last 5 weeks is absurd . Groot he said was closest at 43.

That's our biggest problem. Every team left has game wreckers on their DL. Which is mandatory for a SB run. We tried but failed epically in the draft. 

 

We tried on the ol too. 2 big contracts at LT C. 2 2nd day picks at T. Multiple vets. Just didn't work out. 

 

At the same time. We were 14-4 and first 3 losses were by 8 points.  Could have went undefeated in the regular season but we all saw the issues down the stretch. 

We're a couple more impact players away from a SB. Have a generational talent at the most important position.  Beane has to have an effective off season and sort this out. 

[JerseyBills]

4 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

First half of the year Diggs was on a record pace.

 

Second half he had far fewer targets and our offense declined.

 

Josh’s passer rating was over 120 when throwing to Stef.

 

Don’t understand why we didn’t feed him. Saw him open plenty of times where he didn’t get the ball. 

Same.  I would be screaming feed 14 every game recently.  

 

There was a stat where Davis had a 50 something % catch rate between 1-9 yards. 

Diggs was high 80%, as was Jefferson. Shakir looks like he can be a problem in the slot going forward. He's a nice piece 

We need a reliable #2 and let Gabe go back to where he was. A role player. We're closer than that last performance but still need obvious help. I'd draft and sign a WR by rd 2 if there's 1 available 

[John from Riverside]

46 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Yeah but they missed on every DL pick they've made. Multiple bad picks 

Those defensive line pics of under performed with the exception of Groot, who I thought as play pretty well
 

It doesn’t change the overall picture a GM is not going to get fired whenever the team does well

 

Now, maybe you feel that a team that didn’t win the Super Bowl didn’t do well I disagree a 13 and three season is an excellent season

[All_Pro_Bills]

On 1/27/2023 at 11:44 AM, RG Murdock said:

Sadly, the Bills cake is already baked. The 4 D-Lineman Beane drafted in the 1st and 2nd round, are either stiffs (Epenesa - Basham), or not reliable disrupters (Oliver - Rousseau). A team just doesn't get away with such horrible picks, at the top of the draft over 3 years. Now the Bills are supposed to just "Find" some better players, with no money to spend? I don't see a quick way out. The O-Line is just as bad. Josh is single handedly keeping this team afloat! People must realize, McDermott and Beane didn't want to rely on Allen so much in 2022. They realized after a few games, that they had no choice!! The bills are who Beane made them to be. Now ONLY time, and brilliant drafting can save them. And given Beane's recent history (The last 3 years), I'm not betting on it. The Bills look to be a wildcard team for the next few years.        

While I think scheme, play calling, and execution are issues that contribute to the Bills problems the biggest issue is poor drafting focused on the defensive side and ignoring obvious needs on the Oline and at WR.  Likewise, I'm not expecting magic to happen which suddenly transforms the Bills drafting.  

Too much depends on Allen and I think this is a 7 win team without him.  They have cap issues and there aren't good players on the roster to replace any free agents that might be lost.

Another problem is the Jets and Dolphins seem to be getting their acts together and another poor draft in 2023 parks the Bills in 3rd place in the AFCE.  Immediate help is needed, not more developmental PS picks in the 3rd round.

[Motorin']

21 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I know people want to re-imagine how it went..........because it was a terrible performance.........but once they got down 2 TD's they could not get the stops necessary to put up the 3 more scores than Cinci to win the game.  

 

 

 

And yet the Bengals only scored 7 points in the 3rd quarter, and only 3 points in the 4th. 10 second half points. 

 

On our only TD drive we rushed about as many times as we did for the rest of the game. 

 

Had we had two more drives like that at any point in the game, it puts us within a FG of tying or a TD of taking the lead... And the Bengals would have had fewer drives that they did, not more. 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Those defensive line pics of under performed with the exception of Groot, who I thought as play pretty well
 

It doesn’t change the overall picture a GM is not going to get fired whenever the team does well

 

Now, maybe you feel that a team that didn’t win the Super Bowl didn’t do well I disagree a 13 and three season is an excellent season

Any season that ends without a championship is a failure. In fact the farther you go without winning it all is a worse failure because it cripples your drafting for no benefit 

[John from Riverside]

15 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Any season that ends without a championship is a failure. In fact the farther you go without winning it all is a worse failure because it cripples your drafting for no benefit 

No
 

And that’s not the way the bills management is looking at it I guarantee you

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

24 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

No
 

And that’s not the way the bills management is looking at it I guarantee you

Part of the problem 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Part of the problem 

No, that’s just reality
 

One team wins the Super Bowl every year to sit there and say that every team that doesn’t win, the Super Bowl is a failure is just bull####

 

Just because you do not accomplish, your ultimate goal does not mean that you have to work on your season as a failure there are milestones to getting to the Super Bowl

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

No, that’s just reality
 

One team wins the Super Bowl every year to sit there and say that every team that doesn’t win, the Super Bowl is a failure is just bull####

 

Just because you do not accomplish, your ultimate goal does not mean that you have to work on your season as a failure there are milestones to getting to the Super Bowl

Well, glad to know someone around here loves moral victories I guess 

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Well, glad to know someone around here loves moral victories I guess 

Yes, every team in the league because they don’t win the Super Bowl has a moral victory every year except one

 

oh wait not even that because there are some teams that don’t make the playoffs

Edited January 29, 2023 by John from Riverside

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Yes, every team in the league because they don’t win the Super Bowl has a moral victory every year except one

That's a horrible way of looking at the world unless you're Marty Schottenheimer 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

That's a horrible way of looking at the world unless you're Marty Schottenheimer 

Marty Schottenheimer is one instance in the entirety of the NFL history

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Marty Schottenheimer is one instance in the entirety of the NFL history

Or Marv Levy

 

 

[John from Riverside]

29 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Or Marv Levy

 

 

So now, Marv Levy is a failure?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

So now, Marv Levy is a failure?

Ultimately, yes. They failed at the highest level.

 

But it was still failure.

 

As bad as Schottenheimer? No. But he couldn't hold a candle to Walsh, Parcells, Gibbs or Johnson.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Ultimately, yes. They failed at the highest level.

 

But it was still failure.

 

As bad as Schottenheimer? No. But he couldn't hold a candle to Walsh, Parcells, Gibbs or Johnson.

Because he didn’t win the ultimate prize he’s a failure
 

I don’t know whether to feel sorry for you or not

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Because he didn’t win the ultimate prize he’s a failure
 

I don’t know whether to feel sorry for you or not

Don't need your sympathy.

 

I like winning. 

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't need your sympathy.

 

I like winning. 

🤣

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

And yet the Bengals only scored 7 points in the 3rd quarter, and only 3 points in the 4th. 10 second half points. 

 

On our only TD drive we rushed about as many times as we did for the rest of the game. 

 

Had we had two more drives like that at any point in the game, it puts us within a FG of tying or a TD of taking the lead... And the Bengals would have had fewer drives that they did, not more. 

 

 

Lmao, I think there's something hilarious about saying, "the Bills just needed to put up 14 more points to win" in a game they could only score on two drives.

 

Game was over after the first Q.

[Motorin']

27 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Lmao, I think there's something hilarious about saying, "the Bills just needed to put up 14 more points to win" in a game they could only score on two drives.

 

Game was over after the first Q.

 

The only drive they committed to running the ball against the Bengals nickel defense was the only drive they scored a TD on. 

 

It's similar to the New England weather game in a sense. The winds blowing left to right at like 50 mph and they refuse to set the FG up on the left hash. And lo and  behold Bass misses wide right from the right hash. Now we can't win the game with another FG from the left hash, we have to score a TD into fierce winds. 

 

They refuse to accept the reality of the situation and adjust accordingly. 

 

It's also why the Giants won Super Bowl 25 and the Bills lost to a team with far less talent. They exploited the Bills weakness and the Bills refused to take what was being given to them until it was almost too late. 

 

What I'm suggesting is that the Bills coaching refuses to look at the other team's weakness's to exploit. And had they done so it could have been a more competitive game.

 

Instead they give their best RB only 6 carries on a sloppy day and let Josh throw 25 incompletions on low percentage passes. 

 

Coaching certainly was not the only reason the game was lost. But it was the only thing that could have kept them in the game. And coaching failed as miserably as the offensive and defensive execution. 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by Motorin'

[RunTheBall]

I’m very concerned this coaching staff is going to burn Josh out. There’s too much on his plate, he can’t be expected to carry this team every single game and that’s what they ask of him. Dorsey is a problem, he looked every bit the rookie coordinator he is. I don’t care about stats, his offense didn’t pass the eye test since the Green Bay game. He got figured out and made little to no adjustments. Every game is hike the ball and Josh go make a play. Can’t win in the playoffs like that.

 

Beane was real defensive in his presser and I’m glad. It means he’s feeling some heat for the first time and maybe it will help him make the changes that need to be made. The D-line is a disaster with all his premium draft picks making little impact. If he really believes those players have the talent then he needs to fire Washington because they haven’t developed. Frazier will not have his contract renewed. I refuse to believe Beane is going to look at 3 straight playoff failures where the D gave up 30+ points and not think major changes are coming.

 

This is the biggest offseason of the McBeane era and will determine our next few years. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

The only drive they committed to running the ball against the Bengals nickel defense was the only drive they scored a TD on. 

 

It's similar to the New England weather game in a sense. The winds blowing left to right at like 50 mph and they refuse to set the FG up on the left hash. And lo and  behold Bass misses wide right from the right hash. Now we can't win the game with another FG from the left hash, we have to score a TD into fierce winds. 

 

They refuse to accept the reality of the situation and adjust accordingly. 

 

It's also why the Giants won Super Bowl 25 and the Bills lost to a team with far less talent. They exploited the Bills weakness and the Bills refused to take what was being given to them until it was almost too late. 

 

What I'm suggesting is that the Bills coaching refuses to look at the other team's weakness's to exploit. And had they done so it could have been a more competitive game.

 

Instead they give their best RB only 6 carries on a sloppy day and let Josh throw 25 incompletions on low percentage passes. 

 

Coaching certainly was not the only reason the game was lost. But it was the only thing that could have kept them in the game. And coaching failed as miserably as the offensive and defensive execution. 

 

 

 

 

They committed to running the ball second drive of the game. Run run pass punt. 14-0.

 

The offense was a massive problem, but the answer on Sunday was not “feed Singletary 20 times down 14.”

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

They committed to running the ball second drive of the game. Run run pass punt. 14-0.

 

The offense was a massive problem, but the answer on Sunday was not “feed Singletary 20 times down 14.”

 

You mean the two runs out of shotgun in 11 formation handing the ball to a stationary RB that didn't work most of the year?

 

I'm talking about using heavy packages against their nickel D with pulling lineman and pin pull technique. It worked on the first drive in Cinci all the way down the field. But it was never used in Buffalo. 

 

I'm taking about using an advantage you have until you make the opponent adjust, which then opens up the aspect of the passing game that their nickel is designed to shut down. 

 

Instead Dorsey spammed the same concepts out of the same formation and got a whole 3 points in the second half. 

 

But getting physical on offense would have been a bad idea cause we were down 10 with the ball to start the second half. It would have been really dumb to run right at Hendrickson and muscle the ball down the field on the opening drive of the second half and try to establish a physically punishing presence. 

 

We needed to play softer with more finesse to have a chance... Got it. 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by Motorin'