Doug and Travis

[Vasily Zaytsev]

Flutie was a midget locker room cancer with a mullet that is all the envy of the New England area, and Travis is a child-molesting locker room cancer with the mental capacity of a mop and Ray Charles balancing his checkbook.

 

What we need are team players. People with experience, but class. People who can carry a team on its shoulders when the chips are down.

 

Like Drew.

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hey screw you dirtbag.......we prefer dwarfs.....and chicks dig my hair...so take off hoser!!!!

[VABills]

I was one who didn' tmind Flutie or Rj for that matter. Personally I thought both had major limits in their game. Neither started for very long and only Rj was expected to be the long term solution, but after watching him for a few games everyone realized that wasn't heppening. SO as far as that goes don't dislike either of those guys.

 

Pet Rock on the other hand was never a very good running back. Made the pro bowl only as a third alternate the one year he did go, which meant he was only selected as the 6th best RB in the AFC. That means even the rest of the league realized that while he had good stright ahead running skills he brought nothing else to the table, and every year he just seemed to get worse at things. He might improve for a game or two and then he seemed to get worse. Even this year he appeared to be catching the ball a little better the first couple of games and then the running wrong routes and dropsies kicked in. But also it seemed even if he improved at something a little then everything else in his game slid twice as much. Take his running this year. Receiving a little better for a couple games, but rushing was horrible, and then the receiving went away.

 

To top it off he never learned to block, between he, his mother and his agent they don't know when to shut up, he is a mental midget, he is a pervert, and basically he isn't a likeable fellow overall.

[Ghost of BiB]

I was one who didn' tmind Flutie or Rj for that matter.  Personally I thought both had major limits in their game.  Neither started for very long and only Rj was expected to be the long term solution, but after watching him for a few games everyone realized that wasn't heppening.  SO as far as that goes don't dislike either of those guys. 

 

Pet Rock on the other hand was never a very good running back.  Made the pro bowl only as a third alternate the one year he did go, which meant he was only selected as the 6th best RB in the AFC.  That means even the rest of the league realized that while he had good stright ahead running skills he brought nothing else to the table, and every year he just seemed to get worse at things.  He might improve for a game or two and then he seemed to get worse.  Even this year he appeared to be catching the ball a little better the first couple of games and then the running wrong routes and dropsies kicked in.  But also it seemed even if he improved at something a little then everything else in his game slid twice as much.  Take his running this year.  Receiving a little better for a couple games, but rushing was horrible, and then the receiving went away. 

 

To top it off he never learned to block, between he, his mother and his agent they don't know when to shut up, he is a mental midget, he is a pervert, and basically he isn't a likeable fellow overall.

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And there's nothing wrong with that.

[Bill from NYC]

>>> He was one of a handful of NFL players that broke the players picket in 1987 (Gary Hogeboom, and Lawrence Taylor are the only other two that come to mind, though I am sure there were a few more) during the NFL players strike. <<<

 

buftex, thanks for that info. Another scumbag who broke the strike was Jack Del Rio. It was great when Otis Taylor, who imo was one of the top 10 wideouts to ever play the game, kicked his sorry ass as he was crossing the line!

To this day, I cringe at the sight sickening sight of Del Rio. I am glad that I saw this supposedly tough linebacker get B word slapped by a receiver.

[Mantis Toboggan M.D]

Are you sure Doug and Travis have taken the most shots? I would think RJ and Drew have taken worse beatings.

[Bill from NYC]

Are you sure Doug and Travis have taken the most shots? I would think RJ and Drew have taken worse beatings.

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And you would be correct.

[Bob in SC]

Are you sure Doug and Travis have taken the most shots? I would think RJ and Drew have taken worse beatings.

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Add Lindell to that group. He is the only one who has been criticized for what he has NOT been allowed to do on the field (attempt long field goals). Meanwhile, what he hs done HAS been pretty impressive.

[Buftex]

>>> He was one of a handful of NFL players that broke the players picket in 1987 (Gary Hogeboom, and Lawrence Taylor are the only other two that come to mind, though I am sure there were a few more) during the NFL players strike. <<<

 

buftex, thanks for that info. Another scumbag who broke the strike was Jack Del Rio. It was great when Otis Taylor, who imo was one of the top 10 wideouts to ever play the game, kicked his sorry ass as he was crossing the line!

To this day, I cringe at the sight sickening sight of Del Rio. I am glad that I saw this supposedly tough linebacker get B word slapped by a receiver. 

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And, this was one of those instances where "scabs" really did hurt their union. I know we all think that NFL players are more than adequately compensated (and they are), but compared to the other major sports, the players got hosed from that strike. It is good for us, as fans, but I don't think any other union would have sold its' employees out like the NFL players union did in that strike negotiation.

 

Think about it. NFL players have a shorter average lifespan (both as players and in life) than any of the other major sports (I am still including hockey) and it would seem that their sport puts them at greater bodily risk than either basketball or baseball (hockey is a pretty rough sport too, I will concede), yet their players have the smallest part of their contracts guarenteed. Once a team is done with them, they are done with them, only having to pay the rest of their signing bonus. That is fine if you are Drew Bledsoe, or Kurt Warner, but what about a guy like, say Mario Haggens, or just the average Joe in the NFL? As Fred Smerlas would say about the "scabs", "what a bunch of earfworms!" And this from a leauge that makes more money than any other leauge....

[Bill from NYC]

And, this was one of those instances where "scabs" really did hurt their union.  I know we all think that NFL players are more than adequately compensated (and they are), but compared to the other major sports, the players got hosed from that strike.  It is good for us, as fans, but I don't think any other union would have sold its' employees out like the NFL players union did in that strike negotiation.

 

Think about it.  NFL players have a shorter average lifespan (both as players and in life) than any of the other major sports (I am still including hockey) and it would seem that their sport puts them at greater bodily risk than either basketball or baseball (hockey is a pretty rough sport too, I will concede), yet their players have the smallest part of their contracts guarenteed.  Once a team is done with them, they are done with them, only having to pay the rest of their signing bonus.  That is fine if you are Drew Bledsoe, or Kurt Warner, but what about a guy like, say Mario Haggens, or just the average Joe in the NFL?  As Fred Smerlas would say about the "scabs", "what a bunch of earfworms!"  And this from a leauge that makes more money than any other leauge....

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If there is ANY way you can get your hands on it, try to get a copy of "Necessary Roughness" by Mike Trope. He goes into great length and detail about the strike.

Maybe your library has it; I hope so, but imo, this book is a "must read" for a serious football fan.

[Mantis Toboggan M.D]

It has been a while, so im assuming you have forgotten why Flutie was trashed the way he was. I'll get it straight to the point.

The only reason Flutie was being bashed was

1) he was not a team player. Seperated the locker room.

2) he did not consistently play good football. He played well at times, and terribly at other times. Whenever the Bills lost, it was always someone else's fault.

3) He was too short. As mobile as he was, he had physical limitations. Many people here believed that RJ had the tools to succeed.

 

Drew Bledsoe. I dont need to get into that.

[Stevie Ray]

buftex, thanks for that info. Another scumbag who broke the strike was Jack Del Rio. It was great when Otis Taylor, who imo was one of the top 10 wideouts to ever play the game, kicked his sorry ass as he was crossing the line!

To this day, I cringe at the sight sickening sight of Del Rio. I am glad that I saw this supposedly tough linebacker get B word slapped by a receiver. 

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Not doubting you, but are you sure Del Rio crossed the line? I'm almost positive he was EXTREMELY anti scab. The reason I say extremely is that I remember a piece by one of the network pre-game shows covering the players' picket lines throughout the stadiums across the country, and they showed Del Rio, either a Cowboy or a Chief at the time, toting a shotgun and daring scabs to cross.

 

I'm pretty sure it was Del Rio IIRC.

[SouthernMan]

Flutie was a midget locker room cancer with a mullet that is all the envy of the New England area, and Travis is a child-molesting locker room cancer with the mental capacity of a mop and Ray Charles balancing his checkbook.

 

What we need are team players. People with experience, but class. People who can carry a team on its shoulders when the chips are down.

 

Like Drew.

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Odd how Flutie is labled as "a locker room cancer", yet he is the only QB since Jim Kelly to lead a Bills team to the playoffs. I seem to remember 10 and 11 win seasons with Bruce Smith, Andre, Moulds, Thurman, and the O-line rallying around him. The old core veterans like 78, 83, 80, 34 knew first-hand about big egos and Flutie was just another in a long line.

 

The Johnson/Flutie conflict was the reason the "cancer" label existed. Flutie is a competitor. He may be a major dickwad, perpetuating a lot of the ill will, but if Rob had half of his drive and competitve spirit, maybe he would have amounted to something in the NFL.

 

Travis gives his all. He toughs it out when injured and I thruly think he plays as hard as he can. If he isn't as talented as McGahee, it's not exactly a character flaw.

 

I agree with the sentiment of original post in this thread. I don't understand why it's necessary to assault player's character.

 

Now that LB for the Ravens - the murdering sakoshit - ok...go after him. And yes, he was involved.

[Buftex]

>>> He was one of a handful of NFL players that broke the players picket in 1987 (Gary Hogeboom, and Lawrence Taylor are the only other two that come to mind, though I am sure there were a few more) during the NFL players strike. <<<

 

buftex, thanks for that info. Another scumbag who broke the strike was Jack Del Rio. It was great when Otis Taylor, who imo was one of the top 10 wideouts to ever play the game, kicked his sorry ass as he was crossing the line!

To this day, I cringe at the sight sickening sight of Del Rio. I am glad that I saw this supposedly tough linebacker get B word slapped by a receiver. 

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Not that it means much now, but I started thinking back to the 1987 strike, and was trying to remember some of the vetrans that crossed the picket lines. I couldn't find a comprehenisve list (sorry couldn't find out about Jack Del Rio either, but it sounds vaugely familiar), but here is what I found, in addition to Doug Flutie, there was:

 

Gary Hogeboom (Colts)

Lawrence Taylor (Giants)

Mark Gastaneau (Jets)

Randy White (Cowboys)

Leonard Smith (then Cardinals)

Keith McKellar (Bills)

Robb Riddick (Bills)

Carl Byrum (Bills)

 

In the case of Riddick and McKellar, they were receiving treatment for injuries, whatever difference that makes...I am sure there were more....

[Tcali]

While realizing that it is a part of the territory to take shots at former Bills, there are two that I question why has so much hate has been hurled their way.  The two I have in question are Doug Flutie and Travis Henry.  I don't ever recall so many personal attacks that thrown at two players.  Starting with Flutie (not to reharsh this too much), but I believe he was the last QB to take us to the playoffs.  Regardless if you thought he was a gimmick player (though Eric Moulds had his best year with Flutie) and that our defense was really good, Flutie helped contribute some big plays to win games.  He helped spark a team that was going nowhere and lead us to the playoffs the two years he started.  He had a record setting game at Miami in the playoffs, had us in position to tie until Andre gets a 15 yard penalty, and we all know what happened after that.  Then, after coming back the next year to lead us to the playoffs again, gets benched in a meaningless game, RJ steps in, and Flutie is told RJ is going to start the playoff game.  Are you kidding me???    It may have been the single most insulting blow to any NFL player in history.  The guy was pissed and stated as such.  What other player who wanted to win won't be???  But how is the guy remembered by some?  As a whiny, mullet-wearing midget.  I don't get it.

 

As for Travis, he grew up in Florida as a Bills fan.  He realized his dream, was drafted by us, and became a very good RB with two seasons up there with any top 10 back (check the stats).  He had his faults such as fumbling (I believe Tik fumbled more that Henry but he fixed his problem) and blocking (which probably was pretty weak).  So how was he rewarded?  The team spent a 1st round pick on a RB when it was a potential playoff team coming back.  Now it looks like a very good pick, but Henry didn't have a right to be pissed off.  Now because he wants to be a starter and leave the Bills, he is all of a sudden a molestor, who is as dumb as a pet rock.  The guy played on a partially broken leg.  He was the only legimate weapon on our offense in 2003.  Could he have handled the situation better?  Yes he probably could.  But the team seriously didn't care too much about him when they drafted Willis. 

 

The point of this rant is both of these guys were warriors for the Bills.  They were both undersized (I know in Flutie's case very undersized) but gave everything for the team.  They were probably heartbroken over their situations.  They wanted to win and thought they could help the team win.  Now my question to those who hate and throw personal insults at them is why???  Just please explain to why remember them negatively when they contributed some much positive.  Are we that so short-sighted???  Thanks for your time.  Go Bills.

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Tremendous post. The DF haters are mentally deficient.And TH is getting screwed.

[Tcali]

It has been a while, so im assuming you have forgotten why Flutie was trashed the way he was. I'll get it straight to the point.

The only reason Flutie was being bashed was

1) he was not a team player. Seperated the locker room.

2) he did not consistently play good football. He played well at times, and terribly at other times. Whenever the Bills lost, it was always someone else's fault.

3) He was too short. As mobile as he was, he had physical limitations. Many people here believed that RJ had the tools to succeed.

 

Drew Bledsoe. I dont need to get into that.

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Its hard to imagine RJ being able to start for a clloege football team.he was a disaster at USC.Screwed up every time...but boy he had a strong arm and could run--so he MUST be NFL material..LOL. Tools...right.

[BillnutinHouston]

Why the hate for Doug Flutie? That's a joke, right?

 

Locker room politician/cancer

 

Me-first attitude (always)

 

Never blamed himself for losses

 

Openly critical of guys playing ahead of him

 

All-around ****

[Mantis Toboggan M.D]

I also hate Flutie for leaving Thurman out to dry. Resulting in his major injury.

[envirojeff]

Can we please end this crap? OK, we all love them and they were the best two players to ever put on a Bills uni! and they were the worst scumb bags to ever been run out of town! WHO CARES???? It's over! end of thread.

 

Jeff

[buckeyemike]

Its hard to imagine RJ being able to start for a clloege football team.he was a disaster at USC.Screwed up every time...but boy he had a strong arm and could run--so he MUST be NFL material..LOL. Tools...right.

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I don't understand the NFL's obsession with "tools" guys...like RJ.

 

Yes, Flutie was a jerk. Yes, he was a me-first guy. But all Flutie ever did was leave his heart and soul out on the field. If Flutie were 6-2, teams would have been drooling all over him twenty years ago.

 

Instead, Flutie goes to Canada, where he's probably the best CFL QB of all time. The Canadian game was perfect for him. I always thought Flutie could succeed in the NFL, if given the chance. He did...for a moment. Then, his limitations (ie, getting passes over the middle batted down, his giant ego, etc.) came to the forefront.

 

RJ, on the other hand...ooh, he's big and with a strong arm. What skills. (???) I always believed it was a mistake for the Bills to make him a starter, when he had no track record of success. There was a reason for that. I NEVER thought RJ would be a great NFL QB, because he didn't have the intangibles that, say Bernie Kosar (a guy with much less "talent") had.

 

The things you cannot see (mental toughness, drive, determination, smarts) are so important in this game, especially among the skill players. There has to be some raw talent, but I would move that these intangibles are just as important.

 

Mike

[Nanker]

Not that it means much now, but I started thinking back to the 1987  strike, and was trying to remember some of the vetrans that crossed the picket lines.  I couldn't find a comprehenisve list (sorry couldn't find out about Jack Del Rio either, but it sounds vaugely familiar), but here is what I found, in addition to Doug Flutie, there was:

 

Gary Hogeboom (Colts)

Lawrence Taylor  (Giants)

Mark Gastaneau (Jets)

Randy White (Cowboys)

Leonard Smith (then Cardinals)

Keith McKellar (Bills)

Robb Riddick (Bills)

Carl Byrum (Bills)

 

In the case of Riddick and McKellar, they were receiving treatment for injuries, whatever difference that makes...I am sure there were more....

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How could you forget Jim Hasslet? He signed on with the JESTS.