Tommy Callahan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Anyone read about these shady China donations to Penn College right after the Biden Penn Think tank was created? https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/54m-in-chinese-gifts-donated-to-upenn-home-of-biden-center/ The think take main page is all kinds of strange. Penn Biden Center (upenn.edu) Front page has a picture of him and Xi Trudeau in an embrace. Addressing threats to the World Liberal Order???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Anyone read about these shady China donations to Penn College right after the Biden Penn Think tank was created? https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/54m-in-chinese-gifts-donated-to-upenn-home-of-biden-center/ The think take main page is all kinds of strange. Penn Biden Center (upenn.edu) Front page has a picture of him and Xi Trudeau in an embrace. Addressing threats to the World Liberal Order???? I see we have reached the Pepe Silvia stage. “Liberal” in that context almost certainly means liberalism in the sense of democracy (where countries such as China, Hungary, and Russia are illiberal). It clearly isn’t liberal as in conservative and liberal in the US domestic policy sense. Edited January 16, 2023 by ChiGoose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Its all kinds of cringe. So Corporatism is what he means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Yeah, and it was wrong for him to have them. But in terms of legal consequences, he isn’t facing serious repercussions at this point because it appears to be a case of negligence and cooperation with law enforcement, not intentional with obstruction. It’s clear you have never worked in the classified world. Negligence counts. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Was the Mar-a-Lago Raid a Biden Insurance Policy? by David Catron Much of the commentary concerning the presence of classified documents at the Penn Biden Center office and the President’s Delaware home has focused on the delay between the discovery and the public revelation of that discovery. And it is difficult to believe that the timing was apolitical. There is another question about the timing, however, that no one seems to have asked: Why were classified documents that had been in Biden’s possession since 2017 suddenly found less than 90 days after the FBI raid on former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago compound? https://spectator.org/was-the-mar-a-lago-raid-a-biden-insurance-policy/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: It’s clear you have never worked in the classified world. Negligence counts. Can you point to the cases where someone negligently had classified documents, cooperated with authorities when they realized it, and was prosecuted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Can you point to the cases where someone negligently had classified documents, cooperated with authorities when they realized it, and was prosecuted? While I’m doing that research, should I expand it to people that have lost their jobs over such a matter? You no doubt think you’re talking a good game here but you really don’t know anything about the classified world. That’s more than clear. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: While I’m doing that research, should I expand it to people that have lost their jobs over such a matter? You no doubt think you’re talking a good game here but you really don’t know anything about the classified world. That’s more than clear. Sure. My point has always been that Biden having the documents is bad but unlike with Trump, I wouldn’t expect an indictment given the known facts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 A bit overstated, but they made the rules. End of an error of shielding the Bidens as classified documents scandal puts Joe’s presidency in peril by Michael Goodwin A favorite saying among insiders is that two weeks is a lifetime in politics, meaning anything can happen. In Joe Biden’s case, a mere five days was enough to turn his world upside down. The news Saturday that more classified documents were found in his Delaware home ends a bizarre week that suddenly put Biden’s presidency in peril and further damaged the sagging credibility of the Department of Justice. https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/classified-documents-scandal-puts-biden-presidency-in-peril/?_gl=1*1qhowbd*_ga*MTU3MjQ2NDM1NS4xNjU5MDA2NjU1*_ga_0DZ7LHF5PZ*MTY3Mzc4NzM4MC40MC4xLjE2NzM3ODc0MzcuMC4wLjA.&_ga=2.48435808.759599218.1673634301-1572464355.1659006655 . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Exactly. One of my experiences in the civilian sector: I supervised a guy who was, without a doubt, the most honest person I ever supervised in the federal government. He would take half a day off for a dentist appointment, then email me to say the appointment went unusually fast and he only needed to take an hour and a half of leave. And lots of other things like that when no one was looking. He was working with a classified file. He got distracted by a call or email or whatever. He went to the restroom, leaving the file on his desk. No reason to think anyone saw it; he was gone for 5 minutes. He called me to self-report a violation. I had to refer it up. That triggered a full investigatory team from DC. They interviewed him. They investigated whether he had any unusual contacts recently. The interviewed everyone with access to his office. Thank goodness they finally found (correctly) no potential damage to national security. He kept his job (and got promoted to my job later on) with just a letter or reprimand: "be more careful." That's one document, one honest guy, one honest mistake, one immediate self-report. Biden, like Trump, will get the full treatment, and he deserves it. His sloppiness or whatever has, at a minimum, taken away a really good talking point for him in the next election. Right now the apparent immediate self-report upon (apparently) discovering the docs is a positive, but we don't -- and won't -- know the full story for some time. There is a 100% failure rate from the last two presidential elections on national security issues. My assumption is none of these jamokes at the highest level of govt have historically been concerned about national security issues, likely because they all know it’s common. “Mutually assured destruction” is a phrase that comes to mind. For those keeping track, both parties have national security issues, both parties support questioning the integrity of our elections, and so on and so on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 22 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Sure. My point has always been that Biden having the documents is bad but unlike with Trump, I wouldn’t expect an indictment given the known facts. Any belief/hopes that Trump is getting indicted dies when they found those documents in Joke's garage. Unless you agree that Joke should be indicted as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: Lol. Are you high? I assume you have an example of where he hindered an investigation into an actual crime? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Any belief/hopes that Trump is getting indicted dies when they found those documents in Joke's garage. Unless you agree that Joke should be indicted as well. For probably the millionth time: The difference between the two is that Trump obstructed law enforcement. And you can easily prove intent with Trump. So no. Given the current facts, I would expect an indictment for Trump but not for Biden. Just now, Orlando Tim said: I assume you have an example of where he hindered an investigation into an actual crime? Literally the entirety of Part 2 of the Mueller report AND the obstruction of the documents investigation are examples of Trump obstructing an investigation and refusing to cooperate with authorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, ChiGoose said: For probably the millionth time: The difference between the two is that Trump obstructed law enforcement. And you can easily prove intent with Trump. This is false. But keep repeating it as your "fact" No one expects any more of you. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: This is false. But keep repeating it as your "fact" No one expects any more of you. . How is it false? He was asked to return the documents but refused. For most of a year, he was on notice that he needed to return the documents but he would not do so. He then returned some documents and lied, saying it was all of them. That is basically the definition of obstruction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: For probably the millionth time: The difference between the two is that Trump obstructed law enforcement. And you can easily prove intent with Trump. So no. Given the current facts, I would expect an indictment for Trump but not for Biden. Wrong. Joke had documents discovered at the Penn-Biden center in November. Two months later they found more in his garage next to his car. Since we've seen him driving his car there is no way to claim he didn't know the documents were there. That's a crime and so is keeping them in his garage. The best you're going to get a no indictment for either guy. Indicting Trump and not Joke will be both politically horrible for the Dems and maybe worse. Edited January 16, 2023 by Doc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Wrong. Joke had documents discovered at the Penn-Biden center in November. Two months later they just found more in his garage next to his car. Since we've seen him driving his car there is no way to claim he didn't know the documents were there. That's a crime and so is keeping them in his garage. Has everyone forgotten the existence of boxes? Like, do you think he had a document marked classified sitting on the passenger seat of his vette? Or does he have X-ray vision and can automatically detect that there’s a classified document in any room? If it comes out during the investigation that he knew about the documents, then that changes things. But you’re just speculating based on what you want to be true. Edited January 16, 2023 by ChiGoose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 The bigger thing is the nature of the documents. We know in this case, unlike in Trump’s, that these are potentially very incriminating documents. They relate to Ukraine. The president’s son was taking millions of dollars from Ukraine and from China. They’re housed in a place that China helped to fund. There’s some really questionable things here and I guess the last big question that has to be answered is did Hunter Biden, who was on the pay of Ukraine and China, we know this, did he have access to these documents, and if he did, why, and what does that mean? Thats definitely valid. On Wednesday, Rep. James Comer, the chair of the House Oversight Committee, requested the National Archives disclose “all documents and communications between or among the White House and the Department of Justice or NARA [National Archives and Records Administration] regarding the documents retrieved from President Biden’s personal office at the Penn Biden Center.” The National Archives has apparently not complied. Comer told Fox News on Saturday the National Archives is stonewalling the Oversight Committee’s investigation. That seems kosher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 hours ago, redtail hawk said: not chaste but decent. he f'd up here and it will appropriately cost him. trump's indecent and leading others into indecency. he f's up all the time, often purposefully and it only occasionally costs him. I get it. life's not fair. but I don't cheer for cheaters. Decent? He’s a crook and a racist. Nothing decent about him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: For probably the millionth time: The difference between the two is that Trump obstructed law enforcement. And you can easily prove intent with Trump. So no. Given the current facts, I would expect an indictment for Trump but not for Biden. Literally the entirety of Part 2 of the Mueller report AND the obstruction of the documents investigation are examples of Trump obstructing an investigation and refusing to cooperate with authorities. you are trying so hard. The Mueller report again. And Obstruction. lmao Why didnt we hear about the Docs in PENN back in November, last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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