Covid Protocols 2023

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

My son is almost 10x more likely to die in an auto crash then from COVID, and that is just flat numbers not including his lack of any comorbidities, but I can't stop him from living his live and the fact that you would recommend I shut down his life to "protect" him makes you not just ridiculous but immoral.

So you’ve given up with arguing the data …and it’s life which I’d expect a teacher to know…wearing a mask and getting vaccinated are not shutting down his life. But you do you. More power to you. 
 

“If we looked at all those other leading causes of death – whether you’re talking about motor vehicle accidents or childhood cancer – and we said, ‘Gosh, if we had some simple, safe thing we could do to get rid of one of those, wouldn’t we just jump at it?” And we have that with Covid with vaccines,” said O’Leary, who is also a professor of pediatric infectious disease at the University of Colorado School of Medicine and Children’s Hospital Colorado.

O’Leary is chair of infectious diseases for American Academy of Pediatrics. Seems like common sense but that’s uncommon now

Edited September 4, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Andy1]

The politicization of Covid control measures is one of the stupidest things ever. Covid doesn’t care what party you belong to. And whatever happened to young and healthy people caring for their elders or the weaker people in society. Isn’t that a conservative family value? Covid protocols are nothing compared to the sacrifices older generations made. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Andy1 said:

And whatever happened to young and healthy people caring for their elders or the weaker people in society. Isn’t that a conservative family value?

These are not conservatives.  They're MAGA's and they only care about themselves and perhaps their immediate family and will scratch and claw and adopt false beliefs because that's who they are.

[Tommy Callahan]

The mandate mob is working hard to go back to that place where they were in control no matter how moronic the rules. were.

 

and the majority are saying eff that. those voices lost any integrity they claimed to have and are just howling at the moon at this point.

 

 

[JDHillFan]

8 hours ago, Andy1 said:

The politicization of Covid control measures is one of the stupidest things ever. Covid doesn’t care what party you belong to. And whatever happened to young and healthy people caring for their elders or the weaker people in society. Isn’t that a conservative family value? Covid protocols are nothing compared to the sacrifices older generations made. 

Are you suggesting that the vax, masks, and doing your part by staying six feet apart will prevent infection and transmission? Please say that you are. 

[Orlando Tim]

10 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

So you’ve given up with arguing the data …and it’s life which I’d expect a teacher to know…wearing a mask and getting vaccinated are not shutting down his life. But you do you. More power to you. 
 

“If we looked at all those other leading causes of death – whether you’re talking about motor vehicle accidents or childhood cancer – and we said, ‘Gosh, if we had some simple, safe thing we could do to get rid of one of those, wouldn’t we just jump at it?” And we have that with Covid with vaccines,” said O’Leary, who is also a professor of pediatric infectious disease at the University of Colorado School of Medicine and Children’s Hospital Colorado.

O’Leary is chair of infectious diseases for American Academy of Pediatrics. Seems like common sense but that’s uncommon now

The masks do not improve safety for anyone, even CNN admits that now. As for the vaccine we now know for a fact that it will cause myocarditis in more children than would die from COVID, so if you have a healthy child the vaccine is more a threat than the illness. As you point out common sense says that any "vaccine" I have to get every six months and require everyone else around me get in order to be effective, is not a vaccine. You are like my aunt who told everyone in the summer of 2021 that since was going to be at a family function she would not be there because my kids were not vaccinated, you are an immoral person who would destroy the lives my kids so you don't have to be uncomfortable, you are ok with the increased risk of suicide, obesity and speech development issues that you caused at a hundred fold to the kids you helped with the vaccine mandates. Lastly as for the numbers I understand risk better than almost anyone, which is why I waited to get the first vaccine for myself and will not allow my kids to get any. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

The mandate mob is working hard to go back to that place where they were in control no matter how moronic the rules. were.

 

and the majority are saying eff that. those voices lost any integrity they claimed to have and are just howling at the moon at this point.

 

 

yes, significantly more morons in red states died from Covid because we were wrong...idiot.  but you're right.  why bother with you fools....

4 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

10 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

 

The masks do not improve safety for anyone, even CNN admits that now. As for the vaccine we now know for a fact that it will cause myocarditis in more children than would die from COVID, so if you have a healthy child the vaccine is more a threat than the illness

Link please.  So the chair of infectious Disease of the American Academy of Pediatrics is advocating killing kids from myocarditis.  He spent his entire adult life in medicine to kill kids.  you are really stupid and it's scary that you are teaching kids.

Edited September 4, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[BillsFanNC]

Andy with another moronic take.

 

Covid doesn't care about what party you belong to?

 

Really?

 

Because that's exactly what we were told by words and actions smack dab in the middle of the pandemic. That covid rules should not apply to those who are championing the right causes.

 

As if going to a BLM protest with thousands of others down regulates ACE2 receptor expression on airway epithelial cells......or something. 

 

You *****tards are completely lost.

 

I'm sure Quack, MD was right there with these other Quacks.

 

https://time.com/5848212/doctors-supporting-protests/

 

Protests during a pandemic allowed for our causes, but not for yours!

 

Commies say what again?

 

“We support [racial-justice protests] as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators’ ability to gather and demand change,” the letter reads. “This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders.”

 

[Andy1]

13 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Are you suggesting that the vax, masks, and doing your part by staying six feet apart will prevent infection and transmission? Please say that you are. 

Are you suggesting that there is nothing at all effective at reducing the possibility of contracting and transmitting a communicable disease? Are you suggesting that the best medical people in the world are all in a mass vaccination conspiracy with Bill Gates to turn us into cyborgs so the government can track our movements? 
 

To beat the dead horse some more… If masks are not effective, please go work in a hospital Covid unit without one. Did your mother ever teach you to wash your hands? The vax reduces disease severity. Less virus in you likely means less chance to spread virus. So what’s your bright idea to protect people? 

[Tommy Callahan]

4 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Are you suggesting that there is nothing at all effective at reducing the possibility of contracting and transmitting a communicable disease? Are you suggesting that the best medical people in the world are all in a mass vaccination conspiracy with Bill Gates to turn us into cyborgs so the government can track our movements? 
 

To beat the dead horse some more… If masks are not effective, please go work in a hospital Covid unit without one. Did your mother ever teach you to wash your hands? The vax reduces disease severity. Less virus in you likely means less chance to spread virus. So what’s your bright idea to protect people? 

The vaccine doesn't stop one from catching it or stop one from spreading it.  how is it a vaccine again? cause its closer to gene therapy than a vaccine.

 

 

 

A mask works great, if you follow all the BBP procedures as far as removal and destruction.  But Almost no one does that outside of hospital, lab and teaching settings.  If not it's just a disease carrier, spreader.  

 

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Chris farley

[JDHillFan]

10 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Are you suggesting that there is nothing at all effective at reducing the possibility of contracting and transmitting a communicable disease? Are you suggesting that the best medical people in the world are all in a mass vaccination conspiracy with Bill Gates to turn us into cyborgs so the government can track our movements? 
 

To beat the dead horse some more… If masks are not effective, please go work in a hospital Covid unit without one. Did your mother ever teach you to wash your hands? The vax reduces disease severity. Less virus in you likely means less chance to spread virus. So what’s your bright idea to protect people? 

St Fauci, as of this weekend on CNN after being confronted with data, is down to “masks help on an individual level”. I’m not even sure what that means but you seem to disagree. Do you advocate widespread masking despite what the latest data shows?
 

The vaccine, as it became quickly apparent, does not prevent infection or transmission no matter how many times you get it. You want healthy people who are at extremely little risk to continue to get it in order to protect at-risk people despite it not being effective at prevention/transmission. That makes no sense. 

Edited September 4, 2023 by JDHillFan

[Joe Ferguson forever]

17 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

St Fauci, as of this weekend on CNN after being confronted with data, is down to “masks help on an individual level”. I’m not even sure what that means but you seem to disagree. Do you advocate widespread masking despite what the latest data shows?
 

The vaccine, as it became quickly apparent, does not prevent infection or transmission no matter how many times you get it. You want healthy people who are at extremely little risk to continue to get it in order to protect at-risk people despite it not being effective at prevention/transmission. That makes no sense. 

Do you ever read anything about Covid other than right wing propaganda and disinformation?  I linked an article earlier explaining that the authors of the review did not agree with th e conclusion that masks don't work.  Here is Cochrane's official statement:  https://www.cochrane.org/news/statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review

 

from the editor in chief

"It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses. 

The review authors are clear on the limitations in the abstract: 'The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.' Adherence in this context refers to the number of people who actually wore the provided masks when encouraged to do so as part of the intervention. For example, in the most heavily-weighted trial of interventions to promote community mask wearing, 42.3% of people in the intervention arm wore masks compared to 13.3% of those in the control arm. 

 

So it was morons like you that made the study nearly useless...

 

Re the effectiveness of vaccines, we saw the largest in situ experiment on its effectiveness here in the US.  Counties with low vax rates had higher death rates and vice versa.

Edited September 4, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Joe Ferguson forever]

25 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Are you suggesting that the best medical people in the world are all in a mass vaccination conspiracy with Bill Gates to turn us into cyborgs so the government can track our movements? 

They already know that no one in power cares about them except trump🤣 so why would Bill Gates?

[JDHillFan]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Do you ever read anything about Covid other than right wing propaganda and disinformation?  I linked an article earlier explaining that the authors of the review did not agree with th e conclusion that masks don't work.  Here is Cochrane's official statement:  https://www.cochrane.org/news/statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review

 

Re the effectiveness of vaccines, we saw the largest in situ experiment on its effectiveness here in the US.  Counties with low vax rates had higher death rates and vice versa.

It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses. 
 

Are you ignoring this from Cochrane? You should start masking again. That way you and everyone in your circle will feel better emotionally and stay covid-free. Between superspreader events like football games, concerts, and packed airplanes along with citizens going about their normal lives, there’s just too much risk out there. Stay safe!

 

[Tommy Callahan]

LOL, yeah,

 

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https://evidenceaid.org/commissioned-projects/

 

right from the WHO to your post.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses. 
 

Are you ignoring this from Cochrane? You should start masking again. That way you and everyone in your circle will feel better emotionally and stay covid-free. Between superspreader events like football games, concerts, and packed airplanes along with citizens going about their normal lives, there’s just too much risk out there. Stay safe!

 

of course I'm not ignoring it.  I posted it.  What do you think the words mean?  They mean that the studies available don't answer the question, in a large part because even in the "intervention" group only 40% non morons wore masks. 60% were/are morons.

 

And what about the mortality data from vaxed versus unvaxed counties and states.  We probably couldn't have designed a more elegant study.  Certainly not one this big.  And it showed more people died in unvaxed areas consistently.  I guess you believe that was coincidence?

Edited September 4, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Tommy Callahan]

6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses. 
 

Are you ignoring this from Cochrane? You should start masking again. That way you and everyone in your circle will feel better emotionally and stay covid-free. Between superspreader events like football games, concerts, and packed airplanes along with citizens going about their normal lives, there’s just too much risk out there. Stay safe!

 

lol, she edited her comment after you made yours to include it. 

 

they seem to have one coordinated goal but are not that good at it.

 

its desperate to pull out that discredited and anti-scientific article about people that didn't get the shot, that died.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

lol, she edited her comment after you made yours to include it. 

 

they seem to have one coordinated goal but are not that good at it.

 

its desperate to pull out that discredited and anti-scientific article about people that didn't get the shot, that died.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm 100% XY but why do you hate women.  Maybe because of your arrest?  I linked the article containing the quote in my first draft.  I then went into the article to cut and paste the salient quote from the editor in chief.  but keep deflecting, cuz it says what I said.  Intellectual dishonesty (and general dishonesty) is all that you MAGA's have to argue with.  Oh, and pls link evidence that the mortality stats from red and blue areas was discredited.  And not some catcrap crap...

Edited September 4, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[JDHillFan]

4 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

lol, she edited her comment after you made yours to include it. 

 

they seem to have one coordinated goal but are not that good at it.

 

its desperate to pull out that discredited and anti-scientific article about people that didn't get the shot, that died.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The constant edits are interesting. The rush to post incomplete thoughts is reflective of the overwrought mindset I guess. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

The constant edits are interesting. The rush to post incomplete thoughts is reflective of the overwrought mindset I guess. 

deflect, deflect, deflect.  but I'm sure Hemingway wrote "A farewell to Arms" in one draft. (he likely rewrote the opening sentence many times.)..simple minds do simple thing and vice versa.

 

So let's go back to the Cochrane review.  You do know it's a review of existing studies and not an originall study, right?  That's important in understanding that it found existing studies inconclusive...

 

And the mortality data for red vs blue states.  You seem to be avoiding that like the plague (pun intended).

Edited September 4, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever