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9 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

How do you get embarrassed so thoroughly and declare victory?   Lets go again.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-oath-keeper-thomas-caldwell-says-capitol-riot-was-good-vs-evil-1669296

 

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/lets-storm-the-place-and-hang-the-traitors-oath-

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https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-breach/attorney-for-oath-keepers-member-charged-in-jan-6-seditious-conspiracy-case-accuses-government-of-illegal-wiretap/

 

Again, Julie Kelly shockingly makes no mention of what he is charged with and why he was charged and takes him for his word.  Just another sob story for these persecuted patriots.  By Kelly's journalistic standards, there are no guilty people.  Lets see what led to charges:

 

 

 

So which Caldwell are we to believe?  The guy bragging about assaulting cops and entering the capitol or the one facing the consequences of his own actions and now claims it was all locker room talk?  Or maybe the guy stockpiling weapons in preparation of Trump enacting the Insurrection Act? I'm sure being an unrepentant *****wit really helped his hearings.  

 

Yet somehow he was charged.  How he found himself in this mess is another mystery for the ages.  

 

Take the L man. Just take the L.

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Lets recap @Jauronimo in this thread.

 

Ray Epps didn't enter the capitol and committed no violence. Therefore he shouldn't be charged.

 

Multiple examples are shown of protesters who were charged with entering a restricted area, not the Capitol itself, and committed no violence. So I'm sorry you're dead wrong.

 

But Ray Epps is protected by his 1A rights when he encouraged people that "WE (that includes Ray Epps) must go INTO the Capitol" according to @Jauronimo

 

Which Ray Epps are we to believe? The one who said that he would arrested for encouraging people to go into the Capitol?

 

 

 

When others allegedly encouraged people to enter the Capitol (Caldwell, Straka) well now then THAT'S different and its justifiable grounds to support charging them.

 

Dude you're a clown show. 

 

It's interesting that you're going to such great lengths in being a clown by defending a "Trump supporter" like Ray Epps.

 

What are you, some kind of insurrectionist?

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

Take the L man. Just take the L.

You have posted 5 straight articles from a source that has been totally discredited claiming each one is the smoking gun.  Again, when countered with facts you have no argument.  You don't even attempt to counter.  This is a pathetic showing.  

 

  

3 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

Lets recap @Jauronimo in this thread.

 

Ray Epps didn't enter the capitol and committed no violence. Therefore he shouldn't be charged.

 

Multiple examples are shown of protesters who were charged with entering a restricted area, not the Capitol itself, and committed no violence. So I'm sorry you're dead wrong.

 

But Ray Epps is protected by his 1A rights when he encouraged people that "WE (that includes Ray Epps) must go INTO the Capitol" according to @Jauronimo

 

Which Ray Epps are we to believe? The one who said that he would arrested for encouraging people to go into the Capitol?

 

 

 

When others allegedly encouraged people to enter the Capitol (Caldwell, Straka) well now then THAT'S different and its justifiable grounds to support charging them.

 

Dude you're a clown show. 

 

It's interesting that you're going to such great lengths in being a clown by defending a "Trump supporter" like Ray Epps.

 

What are you, some kind of insurrectionist?

 

 

 

I guess I missed where Epps pepper sprayed cops, amassed guns, bragged about entering the capitol and assaulting cops.  Comparing apples to dog**** is an interesting way to advance a baseless conspiracy theory but you are on a roll. 

 

Julie Kelly is not going to go out with you.

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4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 

You have posted 5 straight articles from a source that has been totally discredited claiming each one is the smoking gun.  Again, when countered with facts you have no argument.  You don't even attempt to counter.  This is a pathetic showing.  

 

 

 

The typical cry of the liberal.

 

:lol:

 

blinkered-middle-aged-man-wearing-blinke "only I get to decide which sources are credible"

 

 

 

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Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

The typical cry of the liberal.

 

:lol:

 

blinkered-middle-aged-man-wearing-blinke "only I get to decide which sources are credible"

 

 

 

I demonstrated the articles he posted were glaringly false and omitted serious details.  Like claiming someone committed no violent offenses but they're being charged with pepper spraying and assaulting officers.  Read these sob stories he keeps posting then google the poor victims.  You'll find no mention of their alleged crimes or charges on AmericanGreatness.com. I wonder why?

22 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

https://news.yahoo.com/chris-worrell-makes-first-public-174007835.html

 

Its really shocking to me that storied news sources like AmericanGreatness.com omitted some relevant details like :

 

 In fact AG misses his charges entirely as they go on to write:

 

"Worrell never entered the Capitol building on January 6; he isn’t accused of committing a violent crime. But a D.C. judge overturned a Florida judge’s ruling to release Worrell pending further review of his case. He remains in jail."

 

Pepper spraying police sounds like he was accused of a violent crime.  What is going on at AmericanGreatness.com that they dropped the ball so badly?  Maybe AG has some kind of slant? This Julie Kelly is looking about as credible as Charlie Kelly right now.

 

30 seconds of diligence is all that took to unravel your latest smoking gun.  Do a little homework before you present the next article you find on LetsGoBrandon.org.  

Here you go @B-Man

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4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I demonstrated the articles he posted were glaringly false and omitted serious details.  Like claiming someone committed no violent offenses but they're being charged with pepper spraying and assaulting officers.  Read these sob stories he keeps posting then google the poor victims.  You'll find no mention of their alleged crimes or charges on AmericanGreatness.com. I wonder why?

What facts have you given? All you do is project. Accusing someone of behaving like you are behaving. Total juvenile move.

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13 minutes ago, Westside said:

What facts have you given? All you do is project. Accusing someone of behaving like you are behaving. Total juvenile move.

Look up one post.  Follow the thread.  Or don't.

 

I'm sure you found DR's posts to be a wealth of information.

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39 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

You have posted 5 straight articles from a source that has been totally discredited claiming each one is the smoking gun.  Again, when countered with facts you have no argument.  You don't even attempt to counter.  This is a pathetic showing.  

 

Facts! :lol:

 

From Newsweek, Lawandcrime brought to you by David Abrams of ABC, and a local reporter who is currently breathlessly reporting on the sham committee hearings and runs a newsletter called "Capitol Breach"

 

Lol. ***** you and your "facts"

 

39 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 

  

I guess I missed where Epps pepper sprayed cops, amassed guns, bragged about entering the capitol and assaulting cops.  Comparing apples to dog**** is an interesting way to advance a baseless conspiracy theory but you are on a roll. 

 

Julie Kelly is not going to go out with you.

 

Keep moving those goalposts. 

 

Game. Set. Match.

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26 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

Facts! :lol:

 

From Newsweek, Lawandcrime brought to you by David Abrams of ABC, and a local reporter who is currently breathlessly reporting on the sham committee hearings and runs a newsletter called "Capitol Breach"

 

Lol. ***** you and your "facts"

 

 

Keep moving those goalposts. 

 

Game. Set. Match.

You stand by the AG article?  Worrell didn't commit a violent crime?  Link below for the lazy:

 

https://amgreatness.com/2021/03/15/capitol-investigation-seeks-to-criminalize-political-dissent/

 

How about these facts which were already linked for you?  

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1379556/download

 

This is the guy Julie Kelly and AG claim is an innocent bystander in her moving sob story.   You can review similar files for Caldwell and everyone else facing charges.  Or you can stick with AG who claims no one did anything wrong.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1471016/download

 

If Ray Epps were caught assaulting police I'm sure he would also face charges "even though he didn't enter the capitol".  

 

There is no point in discussing anything with a person who cannot admit basic truths like when they linked to a bad article.  Tons of misinformation out there.  I don't know why you continue to go back to the well for more.  

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10 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 

There is no point in discussing anything with a person who cannot admit basic truths like when they linked to a bad article.  

 

Pot. Kettle. Black

 

 

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20 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Break it down for me.  What is the burden for "inciting an insurrection"?  He is caught on video saying "we need to enter the capitol" the night before the event.  Does that qualify?  At what point is his speech no longer covered under 1A?  Has anyone been charged for inciting insurrection in this ordeal?   There's a ton of videos of unhinged nutjobs screaming about how they're going inside to get AOC and Pelosi.   I haven't heard of those more pointed threats being prosecuted.  "Differences in justice" is what this whole theory hinges on, remember.  Not to be confused with actual evidence of federal agency involvement.  

 

Make your argument for how he incited an insurrection and lay out what the charges would be if wasn't a fed.

 

EDIT: I just did a keyword search on the page listing all charged that day for "incite" and "inciting" and "insurrection" and came up with no results. Unless the cases citing accompanying documents, of which there are only 78, host a treasure trove of inciting insurrection charges then it appears no one has been charged with this offense.  "Assault" returned hundreds of hits. "Deadly or dangerous weapon" returned 125 hits.  "Restricted building" returned 1,141 hits.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title18-section2383&num=0&edition=1999

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

 

 

He was at the event trying to incite people to illegally enter the building, which was, according to many folks around here, an attempt to overturn the election illegally.  If that is what it was, than, it was an insurrection, and he sure seems guilty of inciting.  Unless its not an insurrection, then he's likely just guilty of inciting a riot. 

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1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title18-section2383&num=0&edition=1999

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

 

 

He was at the event trying to incite people to illegally enter the building, which was, according to many folks around here, an attempt to overturn the election illegally.  If that is what it was, than, it was an insurrection, and he sure seems guilty of inciting.  Unless its not an insurrection, then he's likely just guilty of inciting a riot. 

 

Stop it. Ray Epps didn't do anything wrong. Other than encourage people to break the law and be in the first group to breach police restricted area barricades. But thats different. 

 

Others can be charged for doing the same, but leave Epps alone please.

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8 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title18-section2383&num=0&edition=1999

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

 

 

He was at the event trying to incite people to illegally enter the building, which was, according to many folks around here, an attempt to overturn the election illegally.  If that is what it was, than, it was an insurrection, and he sure seems guilty of inciting.  Unless its not an insurrection, then he's likely just guilty of inciting a riot. 

The video shows him doing that the night before. I haven't seen any video of him doing it during the rioting or insurrection.   And no one has been charged with inciting a riot or inciting insurrection based on what I have seen below.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

 

I have seen charges like this filed for people actively cheered on encouraged assaults on police officers.  This is DR's latest persecuted hero, Brandon Straka.  

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1441146/download

 

Do you really think this Ray Epps fact pattern is compelling evidence of a federal conspiracy? Three people out of the thousands who were there were not charged.  This is the basis of the conspiracy theory.  As I type this, I'm embarrassed I ever gave it the time of day. But every now and then I feel compelled to follow the Q drops just to make sure there is nothing at the end of the rainbow.

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Just now, Jauronimo said:

The video shows him doing that the night before. I haven't seen any video of him doing it during the rioting or insurrection.   And no one has been charged with inciting a riot or inciting insurrection based on what I have seen below.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

 

I have seen charges like this filed for people actively cheered on encouraged assaults on police officers.  This is DR's latest persecuted hero, Brandon Straka.  

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1441146/download

 

Do you really think this Ray Epps fact pattern is compelling evidence of a federal conspiracy? Three people out of the thousands who were there were not charged.  This is the basis of the conspiracy theory.  As I type this, I'm embarrassed I ever gave it the time of day. But every now and then I feel compelled to follow the Q drops just to make sure there is nothing at the end of the rainbow.

I think if Epps broke the law he should he held accountable, just like the other folks who were arrested there.   He was there, inciting people to illegally enter the building, whether it was the night before or not. 

 

 I have no interest in any Qanon nonsense, so you can take that and most sincerely stuff it up the end of your rainbow.  But if the details of the Ray Epps don't at least make you do a double take, in light of all of the shady stuff our government has done over the last 70 years, I am not sure what to tell you. 

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3 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I think if Epps broke the law he should he held accountable, just like the other folks who were arrested there.   He was there, inciting people to illegally enter the building, whether it was the night before or not. 

 

 I have no interest in any Qanon nonsense, so you can take that and most sincerely stuff it up the end of your rainbow.  But if the details of the Ray Epps don't at least make you do a double take, in light of all of the shady stuff our government has done over the last 70 years, I am not sure what to tell you. 

 

It means he's been had. Bought the narrative of those who have repeatedly lied to the American people hook, line and sinker.

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14 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I think if Epps broke the law he should he held accountable, just like the other folks who were arrested there.   He was there, inciting people to illegally enter the building, whether it was the night before or not. 

 

 I have no interest in any Qanon nonsense, so you can take that and most sincerely stuff it up the end of your rainbow.  But if the details of the Ray Epps don't at least make you do a double take, in light of all of the shady stuff our government has done over the last 70 years, I am not sure what to tell you. 

Did the double take.  Invested far too much time in it.  Didn't find anything of substance.  Do you think Ray Epps is part of a federal entrapment or false flag operation?

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5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Did the double take.  Invested far too much time in it.  Didn't find anything of substance.  Do you think Ray Epps is part of a federal entrapment or false flag operation?

 

 

Lol. This tells the whole story of @Jauronimo in this thread.

 

Anything against the narrative he's been spoonfed can't possibly be of  "any substance."

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7 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

 

Lol. This tells the whole story of @Jauronimo in this thread.

 

Anything against the narrative he's been spoonfed can't possibly be of  "any substance."

 

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You stand by the AG article?  Worrell didn't commit a violent crime?  Link below for the lazy:

 

https://amgreatness.com/2021/03/15/capitol-investigation-seeks-to-criminalize-political-dissent/

 

How about these facts which were already linked for you?  

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1379556/download

 

This is the guy Julie Kelly and AG claim is an innocent bystander in her moving sob story.   You can review similar files for Caldwell and everyone else facing charges.  Or you can stick with AG who claims no one did anything wrong.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1471016/download

 

What were you saying about spoonfed narratives?

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23 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Did the double take.  Invested far too much time in it.  Didn't find anything of substance.  Do you think Ray Epps is part of a federal entrapment or false flag operation?

I think it is possible.  

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