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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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7 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

most people who cant defend themselves and are asking of others or facing annihilation should be far more open to negotiations and compromise instead of all or nothing. pay for our defense or the blood is on your hands. that sounds like blackmail. the fact the US doesn't account for every cent for some odd reason as we give more and more sounds like corruption and money laundering. the fact he has rounded up critics and political opponents sounds like dictatorship of their own but dont  question any of this because thats anti freedom.

 

these are the reasons the american public are not fully on board like we are told to be.

 

They will be open to negotiation as soon as Russia backs off their land.  Maybe your cool with people stealing from you, they are not.

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Yep.  
 

 

Wow you really do just throw absolute crap from Twitter here.  There's tons online everywhere.   Even horrid stuff Russians are doing.

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7 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

They will be open to negotiation as soon as Russia backs off their land.  Maybe your cool with people stealing from you, they are not.

Wow you really do just throw absolute crap from Twitter here.  There's tons online everywhere.   Even horrid stuff Russians are doing.

 

Yeah, BigBlitz earned his spot on my ignore list. It's just a firehose of tweeted bull####.

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19 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

They will be open to negotiation as soon as Russia backs off their land.  Maybe your cool with people stealing from you, they are not.

 

no im not cool with a invasion but seeing as Ukraine is soley reliant on donations to maintain sovereignty then i dont think its to much to 

 

A) offer the american people who are giving you your only means of defense transparency into how their money is being spent.

 

B make honest ongoing efforts to bring about peace. it would be nice if this too was transparent. dep on what the compromise to achieve peace im thinking avoiding nuclear war, ww3 or even just avoiding prolonged mass bloodshed for a single day may be a bit more important then some land because dead people do not need land. 

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12 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

make honest ongoing efforts to bring about peace. it would be nice if this too was transparent. dep on what the compromise to achieve peace im thinking avoiding nuclear war, ww3 or even just avoiding prolonged mass bloodshed for a single day may be a bit more important then some land because dead people do not need land. 

are u Ukranian?  How much land is enough?  And how many Ukranian kids is it ok to "repatriate"?.  Women to rape?  Men to torture and kill?  Moral relativism sucks...right and wrong exist however many MAGA's pretend they don't.

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3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

are u Ukranian?  How much land is enough?  And how many Ukranian kids is it ok to "repatriate"?.  Women to rape?  Men to torture and kill?  Moral relativism sucks...right and wrong exist however MAGA's pretend they don't.

Unrelated, but how many African American men to disparage as Uncle Tom’s? 

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1 minute ago, Buffarukus said:

 

no im not cool with a invasion but seeing as Ukraine is soley reliant on donations to maintain sovereignty then i dont think its to much to 

 

A) offer the american people who are giving you your only means of defense transparency into how their money is being spent.

 

B make honest ongoing efforts to bring about peace. it would be nice if this too was transparent. dep on what the compromise to achieve peace im thinking avoiding nuclear war, ww3 or even just avoiding prolonged mass bloodshed for a single day may be a bit more important then some land. 

Our government is probably getting a ton of info, shoot we're helping with strategy.  The public doesn't need to know anything more than we already know.   Ukraine is trying for peace.  They will negotiate as soon as Russia backs off their land.  It's not complicated.

 

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1 hour ago, JDHillFan said:

Unrelated, but how many African American men to disparage as Uncle Tom’s? 

if the shoe fits (I love that saying, evokes a great deal of good literature ), Kamorovsky from Zhivago=  Clarence, porn king, Thomas.  Pretty cool:  https://www.nytimes.com/1978/02/05/archives/lara-and-zhivago-a-captive-of-time-lara-authors-query.html  F Putin and Stalin and Lenin.  Kick their deplorable asses

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1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

if the shoe fits (I love that saying, evokes a great deal of good literature ), zhamorosky from Zhivago=  Clarence, porn king, Thomas.

So it’s a love of good sayings or a love of good literature that has you convinced that you are suited to slander a successful man in that way? I’m having trouble following. A couple days ago it was because internet strangers said mean things about Biden and Obama. Maybe you can just clear it all up and tell us specifically why a retired UVA faculty member thinks they have enough standing in the world to slander a man in this way. 
 

And don’t act like you aren’t looking at porn up this late. There’s not even plausible deniability. 

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1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

So it’s a love of good sayings or a love of good literature that has you convinced that you are suited to slander a successful man in that way? I’m having trouble following. A couple days ago it was because internet strangers said mean things about Biden and Obama. Maybe you can just clear it all up and tell us specifically why a retired UVA faculty member thinks they have enough standing in the world to slander a man in this way. 
 

And don’t act like you aren’t looking at porn up this late. There’s not even plausible deniability. 

if fighting with you =porn then so be it.  it is obscure, I'll admit.

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29 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

B make honest ongoing efforts to bring about peace. it would be nice if this too was transparent. dep on what the compromise to achieve peace im thinking avoiding nuclear war, ww3 or even just avoiding prolonged mass bloodshed for a single day may be a bit more important then some land because dead people do not need land. 


They’ve been pretty clear about this: restoration of their borders and sovereignty. 

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4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

are u Ukranian?  How much land is enough?  And how many Ukranian kids is it ok to "repatriate"?.  Women to rape?  Men to torture and kill?  Moral relativism sucks...right and wrong exist however many MAGA's pretend they don't.

 

ukrainian kids are refugees as we speak and these atrocities you speak of are going to continue as long as their is no peace. so they have already fled there homes and country and cannot return to ANY land if there is no peace...maybe NONE if the russians win. your under some dillusion that Ukrainian victory is inevitable when the experts say otherwise. so with your all or nothing mindset i ask you are you willing to send your kids to fight and die if peace can be made with a modest compromise? do YOU accept nuclear obliteration of everyone you care about so Ukraine does not have to make ANY compromise.

 

i don't think war has ever existed that both sides went back to the way things were before. its not very logical to make those demands. but if you say yes to the above then you may have to test that resolve..dont back down when its time to put skin in the game.

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5 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

ukrainian kids are refugees as we speak and these atrocities you speak of are going to continue as long as their is no peace. so they have already fled there homes and country and cannot return to ANY land if there is no peace...maybe NONE if the russians win. your under some dillusion that Ukrainian victory is inevitable when the experts say otherwise. so with your all or nothing mindset i ask you are you willing to send your kids to fight and die if peace can be made with a modest compromise? do YOU accept nuclear obliteration of everyone you care about so Ukraine does not have to make ANY compromise.

 

i don't think war has ever existed that both sides went back to the way things were before. its not very logical to make those demands. but if you say yes to the above then you may have to test that resolve..dont back down when its time to put skin in the game.

two words...false choices.  but a tip of the hat to the whole/hole dude.

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2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

two words...false choices

 

do russians hold a huge nuclear arsenal. if russia proceeds and looks victorious you will not defend them if asked?

 

not sure whats false here. this isnt a movie and i think you feel a bit too comfortable so far away from the bloodshed you demand no compromises should be made.

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1 minute ago, Buffarukus said:

 

do russians hold a huge nuclear arsenal. if russia proceeds and looks victorious you will not defend them if asked?

 

not sure whats false here. this isnt a movie and i think you feel a bit too comfortable so far away from the bloodshed you demand no compromises should be made.

yes they hold them and suicide is possible.  you wanna live with the sword of damocles over your head?  it doesn't go away with appeasing Putin.

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8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


They’ve been pretty clear about this: restoration of their borders and sovereignty. 

 

so ill ask you the same. should they fight to every man woman child is lost instead of making a compromise with peace or is that the correct coarse of action. if they are losing badly and could have made a agreement are you ready to send your kids or yourself? seems american leadership is willing to do that so this is not a hypothetical.

 

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3 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

so ill ask you the same. should they fight to every man woman child is lost instead of making a compromise with peace or is that the correct coarse of action. if they are losing badly and could have made a agreement are you ready to send your kids or yourself? seems american leadership is willing to do that so this is not a hypothetical.

 

there are no Americans officially fighting in Ukraine under our flag.  the others I'm fine with.  Not my kids and not forced.   t's the best deal in a terrible situation

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3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

yes they hold them and suicide is possible.  you wanna live with the sword of damocles over your head?  it doesn't go away with appeasing Putin.

 

you do think this is a movie. of coarse it doesnt go away but it also doesnt persist or escalate. look at north and south korea. should the south have gone all or nothing. every last man woman and child should fight for all of korea or make a agreement in which the south can/has prospered and better prepared for other agression.

 

we just disagree. like i said i hope you are ready to not just talk the talk because i dont think Ukraine will ever get what it is they say is thier objective without outside manpower..not just logistics. they are VASTLY out numbered so your sacrifice will be necessary.

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