Sundancer Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The fact that I misinterpreted the scope of the trials does not change the fact that EVERYTHING else I have said is correct. If I had simply contained my initial assessment of the data to high risk people I would have correct, because the data was only on high risk people. Your clinging to my one mistake because if sucks for you that you have tried to mock me relentlessly but i have been right. You posted the data that shows I am right and then tried to argue that a hazard rate of .42 is good. Seriously stick with calling me an anti vax apologist and stop pretending you understand the stats. Dingdong, in August when you said the vaccine doesn't work for most people beyond 6 months, you were wrong. Then you admitted you were wrong (which you were because the data did not support your statement). Now you are saying you weren't wrong because later data shows vaccines have waning effectiveness. Which time are you wrong again? I'm losing track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Dingdong, in August when you said the vaccine doesn't work for most people beyond 6 months, you were wrong. Then you admitted you were wrong (which you were because the data did not support your statement). Now you are saying you weren't wrong because later data shows vaccines have waning effectiveness. Which time are you wrong again? I'm losing track. Why are you so obsessed with me? And why do you keep using childish taunts? I realize now you literally have no concept of hazard rates or any understanding of the statistics you present. I have been right and the stats keep backing me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 49 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Why are you so obsessed with me? And why do you keep using childish taunts? I realize now you literally have no concept of hazard rates or any understanding of the statistics you present. I have been right and the stats keep backing me up. More numbers sorry for the good news that vaccines work so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I pop back in here once in awhile only to find the same nonsensical arguments going back and forth.....for months now. The primary argument is NOT against vaccines. It is against the government's right/ability to mandate them! Carry on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I pop back in here once in awhile only to find the same nonsensical arguments going back and forth.....for months now. The primary argument is NOT against vaccines. It is against the government's right/ability to mandate them! Carry on. Bakin is against vaccines. A bunch of others say they don’t work. I think only one person advocates for mandates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Sundancer said: More numbers sorry for the good news that vaccines work so well. And once again you cherry pick the data. If this data was as far reaching as you claim then the danger to be 12-15 year old is similar to that of a 60-90 year old and it is safest to be 90+. I am not stating this is fake data but it is not indicative for everything we know unless you believe that a 12 year old in Israel is in as much danger as a 80 year old and that 45 year olds are twice as likely to have a severe illness than a 90 year old. Something with this data is goofy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Bakin is against vaccines. A bunch of others say they don’t work. I think only one person advocates for mandates. FYI: The thread is entitled "It's Time to Mandate Vaccines". I realize you're trying your best to educate people on their efficacy but by now you must realize your efforts are futile. People who are against them have dug in their heels. They have a lot invested in not getting the vaccine. But the core issue is still NOT the vaccine itself but the idea that the government can force them to get it. Please tell me you know that....right? Edited November 10, 2021 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: And once again you cherry pick the data. If this data was as far reaching as you claim then the danger to be 12-15 year old is similar to that of a 60-90 year old and it is safest to be 90+. I am not stating this is fake data but it is not indicative for everything we know unless you believe that a 12 year old in Israel is in as much danger as a 80 year old and that 45 year olds are twice as likely to have a severe illness than a 90 year old. Something with this data 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: And once again you cherry pick the data. If this data was as far reaching as you claim then the danger to be 12-15 year old is similar to that of a 60-90 year old and it is safest to be 90+. I am not stating this is fake data but it is not indicative for everything we know unless you believe that a 12 year old in Israel is in as much danger as a 80 year old and that 45 year olds are twice as likely to have a severe illness than a 90 year old. Something with this data is goofy. You never actually do any work. Just knee jerk anti vaccine. Small sample size for that group. 12-15 there are 389 cases in unvaccinated, 53 in boosted. Zero current severe cases. 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: FYI: The thread is entitled "It's Time to Mandate Vaccines". I realize you're trying your best to educate people on their efficacy but by now you must realize your efforts are futile. People who are against them have dug in their heels. They have a lot invested in not getting the vaccine. But the core issue is still NOT the vaccine itself but the idea that the government can force them to get it. Please tell me you know that....right? So you think we need yet another thread? I vote no. Edited November 10, 2021 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Sundancer said: So you think we need yet another thread? I vote no. Absolutely not. I just think you'all need to realize that neither side of this argument is convincing anyone of anything anymore...if you ever actually did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: You never actually do any work. Just knee jerk anti vaccine. Small sample size for that group. 12-15 there are 389 cases in unvaccinated, 53 in boosted. Zero current severe cases. So you think we need yet another thread? I vote no. So your point is that in less than a minute I could look at the math and recognize something was not proper? It is not dismissing the vaccine it is simply recognizing the limitations and being honest. Also since I am vaccinated I am not antivax- you simply disagree with anyone who shows how bad you are at math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 8 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I thought you were citing a sketchy paper. You weren't. It's a real study by reputable scientists in Sweden. But ... IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU CLAIM. Read the abstract. It confirms waning effectiveness of the non-mRNA vaccine, possibly going to zero after 121 days, whereas the mRNA remains effective, although at a reduced level. Therefore, it concludes that there is a strong case for boosters. Really, some of you anti-vaxxers will twist facts any which way to prove a stupid, made-up point about highly effective vaccines somehow "ruining" your immune system. Here's the conclusion of the Swedish study. Show me where it says "COVID-19 vaccines actually ruin your immune system over time" You should be embarrassed to have posted something so completely untethered to reality. Interpretation: Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic Covid-19 infection wanes progressively over time across all subgroups, but at different rate according to type of vaccine, and faster for men and older frail individuals. The effectiveness against severe illness seems to remain high through 9 months, although not for men, older frail individuals, and individuals with comorbidities. This strengthens the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third booster dose. That’s right that the data and the conclusion do not match. It does show that 1) the 2 dose regimen fails miserably at providing lasting protection to anyone who it’s supposed to protect 2) VE actually turns negative 3) you need to rebuy some level of immunity every quarter. say it with me: vaccine failure 4 hours ago, Sundancer said: Bakin is against vaccines. A bunch of others say they don’t work. I think only one person advocates for mandates. Don’t speak for me. You don’t know what I’m against. Certainly not against safe effective and necessary vaccines. unfortunately for VaxNazis - covid mRNA therapeutics do not meet any of those criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I pop back in here once in awhile only to find the same nonsensical arguments going back and forth.....for months now. The primary argument is NOT against vaccines. It is against the government's right/ability to mandate them! Carry on. You aren’t wrong. No one is against vaccines (it’s too bad these ones are such a colossal failure). the biggest issue is, as you say, the government creating a two tier society through mandates and coercion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So your point is that in less than a minute I could look at the math and recognize something was not proper? It is not dismissing the vaccine it is simply recognizing the limitations and being honest. Also since I am vaccinated I am not antivax- you simply disagree with anyone who shows how bad you are at math. Says the guy who didn’t look at the numbers before knee jerking anti vax arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Sundancer said: Says the guy who didn’t look at the numbers before knee jerking anti vax arguments. Nothing is funnier than being called anti vax when I have the Covid shot and just got my flu shot yesterday. I am all in on vaccines to protect people, just not forcing them. Anything else you got to throw or you ready to just drop trying to call me childish name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 7 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Nothing is funnier than being called anti vax when I have the Covid shot and just got my flu shot yesterday. I am all in on vaccines to protect people, just not forcing them. Anything else you got to throw or you ready to just drop trying to call me childish name? Read my post slower and you may see your error. Probably not but I can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 14 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Absolutely not. I just think you'all need to realize that neither side of this argument is convincing anyone of anything anymore...if you ever actually did. You mean like all the other mind changing posts here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Sundancer said: You mean like all the other mind changing posts here? Exactly! 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: lmao Yes like Covid started in a lab, that the vaccine wanted in under a year, that masks outside are not helpful, that Invermectin is a drug that won a Nobel prize for use on humans. All of these are debunked and only stupid right wingers believe them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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