GaryPinC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/uh-oh-the-coronavirus-has-been-spreading-widely-in-us-deer/ar-AAQkvDu?li=BBnb7Kz Oh Crap. Who's going to mask and isolate all these deer as rut gets going? Watch out for those hormone-driven antlers! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: google search leads to two single cases: Here's your motorcycle crash: https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report-07-18-2020 MOST IMPORTANTLY, here's a great article explaining that it was not counted. https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/covid-deaths-car-crash-comorbidities-coronavirus-death-total-counts-john-hopkins-study/65-e3842ed2-f753-4a15-8b97-c2ae75c2b2ce Read it. It's a great article and please stop blowing things out of proportion. Mistakes happen. There are also procedures in place to correct these mistakes. Mistakes do happen. No system is perfect. But with COVID hospitals and providers have a financial incentive to skew their diagnosis coding towards COVID. So what do you expect them to do? If you've had any experience with hospitalization expenses for yourself or a family member that you have financial responsibility for handling you'll understand the US health care system is a racket driven by the pursuit of maximum revenue and charges. While the doctors and nurses do wonderful work with patients and treating the sick I can assure you their administrators and billing departments will have no pity or empathy for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Mistakes do happen. No system is perfect. But with COVID hospitals and providers have a financial incentive to skew their diagnosis coding towards COVID. So what do you expect them to do? If you've had any experience with hospitalization expenses for yourself or a family member that you have financial responsibility for handling you'll understand the US health care system is a racket driven by the pursuit of maximum revenue and charges. While the doctors and nurses do wonderful work with patients and treating the sick I can assure you their administrators and billing departments will have no pity or empathy for you. So if tons of these Covid deaths are lies to increase billing (no evidence provided except anecdote), why are so many more people dying in the last 19 months (actual death counts increased)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 More good news (for those who will take it). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: You missed your time with Reading Rainbow. I didn't quote case statistics for the low vax states. In fact, you quoted a cases statistic and I countered with a deaths statistic. Cases AND deaths surged in the south and midwest over the summer. Here's the data. Again. Oh Jesus we're back to this. We have a massive excess of deaths in the world and in the US right now over the last 19 months. It's not from motorcycle accidents. So Team Zero Covid. Got it. Good luck with that. Enjoy your Biomedical Police State. I didn't miss the Reading Rainbow episode of the Federalist Papers - specifically Federalist 51 and 84. It was a great 2 parter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: So Team Zero Covid. Got it. Good luck with that. Enjoy your Biomedical Police State. I didn't miss the Reading Rainbow episode of the Federalist Papers - specifically Federalist 51 and 84. It was a great 2 parter. That's not how you say, "Wow was I ever wrong" but good try! And good fiction about me advocating zero Covid. Keep up the fiction writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, Sundancer said: That's not how you say, "Wow was I ever wrong" but good try! And good fiction about me advocating zero Covid. Keep up the fiction writing. Wrong about what? You're not making any point. My point with that map was to say f your protocols and mandates that don't work. This is over. Get your vaccine or not. While no one is noticing, Team Biden wants this to be an election year issue nothing more it certainly ain't science. It's going to be the anti vax mandate states that want death vs the pro fascism vaccinate to eradicate lunatics. Nice work y'all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: More good news (for those who will take it). It's odd to me the therapeutics were worked on and publicized AFTER the vaccines. I mean I know why the order is in the way it is (massive wheelbarrows of money) but from a practical standpoint, wouldn't it have been great to have the arsenal of therapeutics (maB, these pills, etc. produced with equal vigor as the vaccine products) first that could have kept a lot of people out of the hospital? It's sort of like mandating the bariatric surgery and then months later, rolling out the weight loss drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Mistakes do happen. No system is perfect. But with COVID hospitals and providers have a financial incentive to skew their diagnosis coding towards COVID. So what do you expect them to do? If you've had any experience with hospitalization expenses for yourself or a family member that you have financial responsibility for handling you'll understand the US health care system is a racket driven by the pursuit of maximum revenue and charges. While the doctors and nurses do wonderful work with patients and treating the sick I can assure you their administrators and billing departments will have no pity or empathy for you. I completely agree with you, but those are separate issues from attempting to claim there's widespread Covid fraud skewing the numbers. Have you considered that federal/state governments allocated funds to help keep hospitals afloat as they did (tried to do) for businesses? https://www.nashp.org/covid-19-federal-funds-for-hospitals-providers-and-states/ https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/funding-for-health-care-providers-during-the-pandemic-an-update/ So, maybe there wasn't so much impetus to skew numbers. Do you really think government wanted hospitals going under during a lockdown pandemic? Also, "skewing" numbers is healthcare fraud. There are strict rules and penalties and anonymous national reporting phone numbers and websites. Given the amount of layoffs in front-line workers, don't you think if there was massive fraud it would have come out? The majority of health-care workers are driven to help their patients and would have low tolerance for something like this. Have you considered all this or do you simply follow blindly what your "trusted" news sources say? Edited November 5, 2021 by GaryPinC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, dpberr said: It's odd to me the therapeutics were worked on and publicized AFTER the vaccines. I mean I know why the order is in the way it is (massive wheelbarrows of money) but from a practical standpoint, wouldn't it have been great to have the arsenal of therapeutics (maB, these pills, etc. produced with equal vigor as the vaccine products) first that could have kept a lot of people out of the hospital? It's sort of like mandating the bariatric surgery and then months later, rolling out the weight loss drugs. No, it makes sense therapeutics take longer as they have a more complex regulatory pathway. Pharmacokinetics and toxicology play a much larger role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: I completely agree with you, but those are separate issues from attempting to claim there's widespread Covid fraud skewing the numbers. Have you considered that federal/state governments allocated funds to help keep hospitals afloat as they did (tried to do) for businesses? https://www.nashp.org/covid-19-federal-funds-for-hospitals-providers-and-states/ https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/funding-for-health-care-providers-during-the-pandemic-an-update/ So, maybe there wasn't so much impetus to skew numbers. Do you really think government wanted hospitals going under during a lockdown pandemic? Also, "skewing" numbers is healthcare fraud. There are strict rules and penalties and anonymous national reporting phone numbers and websites. Given the amount of layoffs in front-line workers, don't you think if there was massive fraud it would have come out? The majority of health-care workers are driven to help their patients and would have low tolerance for something like this. Have you considered all this or do you simply follow blindly what your "trusted" news sources say? As somebody that works professionally in health care analytics, commercial and clinical, spent 12 years in claim processing, payment processing systems, provider contracting, and member benefits business functions, and has personal experience with medical charges and coding I have a very informed perspective. I don't have any need to refer to trusted or un-trusted news sources. Its all firsthand. In fact much of the data we accumulate is provided via contracts to the CDC. What they know I know first. All I can say is you'd be surprised what they try to get away with when it comes to charges. Just last year a hospital made the "mistake" of billing my wife's hospitalization charges again using me as the patient. I guess they weren't satisfied with the $200K insurance payment and wanted more. A mistake? Sure, a mistake 3 times. Two of them got rejected but one was processed for a total of $626.248. When I called the insurance to bring it to their attention they reversed it. The also made the mistake of billing another $111K in outpatient charges to her. Which got rejected because of a lack of documentation plus no referrals or authorizations for outpatient services per the member plan. So fraud? Or just a mistake? 2 hours ago, Sundancer said: So if tons of these Covid deaths are lies to increase billing (no evidence provided except anecdote), why are so many more people dying in the last 19 months (actual death counts increased)? There's a fundamental difference between "with COVID" and "by COVID" But you're guess is as good as mine. Maybe because they're already sick and the virus is just speeding up the process and pulling forward deaths of low life expectancy patients that would have otherwise occurred sooner rather than later in future time reporting periods. "With covid". So you've got somebody with COVID, obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, and they die. What's the cause of death? Well its obviously COVID I assumed based on what medical examiners are doing. It seems reasonable to expect that rarely do healthy people die unless by accidental death and rarely do healthy people die just "from COVID". The stats and the science support these conclusions. Edited November 5, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: As somebody that works professionally in health care analytics, commercial and clinical, spent 12 years in claim processing, payment processing systems, provider contracting, and member benefits business functions, and has personal experience with medical charges and coding I have a very informed perspective. I don't have any need to refer to trusted or un-trusted news sources. Its all firsthand. In fact much of the data we accumulate is provided via contracts to the CDC. What they know I know first. All I can say is you'd be surprised what they try to get away with when it comes to charges. Just last year a hospital made the "mistake" of billing my wife's hospitalization charges again using me as the patient. I guess they weren't satisfied with the $200K insurance payment and wanted more. A mistake? Sure, a mistake 3 times. Two of them got rejected but one was processed for a total of $626.248. When I called the insurance to bring it to their attention they reversed it. The also made the mistake of billing another $111K in outpatient charges to her. Which got rejected because of a lack of documentation plus no referrals or authorizations for outpatient services per the member plan. So fraud? Or just a mistake? Ok, sorry to hear about your troubles and glad you have so much expertise. My son was born 3 times at the Cleveland Clinic and took quite a bit of my time to get corrected. Not the hospital nor insurance realizing billing mistakes were made, me. In my case, we didn't have a name immediately picked out and the nurses entered it in to the system 3 times to make sure it got billed "correctly". One way was "baby boy (my last name)", son's SS number, and my son's eventual full name. It was incredibly frustrating. Potential widespread Covid fraud via the motorcycle accident example and hospitals needing to bill every possible case as Covid are much proclaimed by our resident right-wingers. While I have no doubt there will be some billing issues come to light, it seems there is no widespread fraud. With your considerable expertise and firsthand experience, have you personally seen convincing evidence that this is a big problem? Because the motorcycle problem was a resolved mistake and the financial impetus to skew doesn't seem as great as you made it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 This Is When the Pandemic Will Finally Be Over, Former FDA Head Now Says During a Nov. 5 interview on CNBC's Squawk Box, former U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) commissioner Scott Gottlieb, MD, said that the end of the pandemic might be closer in sight than many of us realize. According to Gottlieb, upcoming vaccine mandates will aid in moving the U.S. out of the trenches. "These mandates that are going to be put in place by Jan. 4 really are coming on the tail end of this pandemic," he said. https://bestlifeonline.com/pandemic-over-january-news/ Freaking dupes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sundancer Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: My President This is where he’s being a terrible leader. His state vaulted to number one in deaths *while we had the vaccine,* and he is doing very little to lead on vaccinating his citizens. Instead he’s aligning with the vax apologists. I agree with his Covid policies but what a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Sundancer said: This is where he’s being a terrible leader. His state vaulted to number one in deaths *while we had the vaccine,* and he is doing very little to lead on vaccinating his citizens. Instead he’s aligning with the vax apologists. I agree with his Covid policies but what a mess. He probably doesn't need to say it out loud as a Governor, but he's not all that off the mark in his opinion. The CDC goal posts are on trailers hooked to trucks with the engines running, and when I saw University Hospital in NJ mandate their J&J vaxxed employees get *another* shot or else, I too think you'll have people trying to change the definition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, dpberr said: He probably doesn't need to say it out loud as a Governor, but he's not all that off the mark in his opinion. The CDC goal posts are on trailers hooked to trucks with the engines running, and when I saw University Hospital in NJ mandate their J&J vaxxed employees get *another* shot or else, I too think you'll have people trying to change the definition. Is there something about "novel" coronavirus that eludes people. The goalposts sometimes move because we are dealing with newish things. And DeSantis is more focused on fighting mandates than saving lives promoting vaccines. That's half leadership and misses a pretty vital half. Being the number one state in deaths when we had a vaccine is a dubious leader board to be atop. Edited November 5, 2021 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Is there something about "novel" coronavirus that eludes people. The goalposts sometimes move because we are dealing with newish things. And DeSantis is more focused on fighting mandates than saving lives promoting vaccines. That's half leadership and misses a pretty vital half. Being the number one state in deaths when we had a vaccine is a dubious leader board to be atop. This is absolute crap. It's been experimented on.......um......sorry.......it's been on the planet over 2 years now. Every year there are "novel" viruses. Just say it you know he's right. Getting the vaccine is a smart decision for the old and unhealthy especially......but should not be mandated most anywhere. You know this is a fact. You're just playing politics at this point. Edited November 5, 2021 by Big Blitz 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Rodgers can be DeSantis press secretary: Rodgers confirms he's unvaccinated, insists he 'didn't lie' about status https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2217539 "Had there been a follow up to my statement that I've been immunized, I would've responded with this, I would have said, 'Look, I'm not some sort of anti-vax, flat-earther. I'm somebody who's a critical thinker,'" he added. Rodgers pointed out he's allergic to an ingredient that’s in mRNA vaccines, adding that Johnson & Johnson was the only vaccine available for him in April because of the allergy. However, Johnson & Johnson vaccines were paused in the U.S. in mid-April over blood clot concerns, which dissuaded Rodgers from getting it. The signal-caller also noted his desire to be a father as another reason for deciding not to get vaccinated. "The next great chapter in my life, I believe, is being a father, and it's something that I care about a lot," Rodgers said. "To my knowledge, there's been zero long-term studies around sterility or fertility issues around the vaccines, so that was definitely something that I was worried about." That thought process led Rodgers to find a different "immunization protocol." "I'm very proud of the research that went into that and the individuals that I met with, and we felt like it was what was best for me," he said. "It was not, again, something that the league didn't know about. The league was fully aware of it upon my return to the Packers." Nope. Get the shot bro!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyhero68 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) If the vaccines work, why do I need a vaccine you are protected. If the vaccine doesn't work unless everyone takes it, which is medically and basically impossible why should I take a vaccine. If the vaccinated are still getting sick, why would I take the vaccine? This has NOTHING to do with logic, reason, or science it is all about compliance. Why would the government push a vaccine that has no medical value, unless it is not about medicine. This injection contains GRAPHENE OXIDE which is a metal used in phone batteries. NEVER TAKING IT. If there was a pandemic, which there is not, and it worked you would not have to MANDATE and threaten people into taking it. https://rumble.com/vl16yw-dr.-peter-mccullough-ends-the-pandemic-with-5-covid-facts.html Edited November 5, 2021 by Kellyhero68 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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