Tommy Callahan Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: Go with a guide. It will undoubtedly enhance your experience and understanding its still 2-4 hours to get to the actual display of the ceiling. and if banning kids cuts it to an hour, good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chris farley said: its still 2-4 hours to get to the actual display of the ceiling. and if banning kids cuts it to an hour, good to go. not my experience but a stupid argument. So inegalitarian! How bout the Basilica in St Peters? http://stpetersbasilica.info/Altars/PapalAltar/COA-Pedestals.htm btw, the backstory I was told is that Bernini was angry at the Pope for nonpayment and the woman in labor depicts his mistress. We'll likely never know the true story as Bernini died centuries ago. Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: not my experience but a stupid argument. So inegalitarian! How bout the Basilica in St Peters? http://stpetersbasilica.info/Altars/PapalAltar/COA-Pedestals.htm On a busy day in Rome, more than 25,000 people pass through the doors of the Vatican Museums. But reaching what many consider the holy grail—The Sistine Chapel—often requires standing in three- to four-hour lines then working your way through the labyrinth that is the museums themselves. https://www.cntraveler.com/story/how-to-skip-the-line-at-the-sistine-chapel#:~:text=On a busy day in,that is the museums themselves. https://tripanthropologist.com/vatican-museum-opening-hours-and-tickets/ They have more than an hour waiting time as well, yeah, ban kids. makes it shorter. But at the end of the day, the Sistine chapel has nothing to do with entities promoting surgery and life ling hormonal treatments to children though books and activist playing teachers and administrators. (and massive money and advertising from Political pacs hiding as social justice pacs) its a strange false dichotomy. 16 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: not my experience but a stupid argument. So inegalitarian! Egalitarianism is a trend of thought in political philosophy. An egalitarian favors equality of some sort: People should get the same, or be treated the same, or be treated as equals, in some respect. An alternative view expands on this last-mentioned option: People should be treated as equals, should treat one another as equals, should relate as equals, or enjoy an equality of social status of some sort. Egalitarian doctrines tend to rest on a background idea that all human persons are equal in fundamental worth or moral status. So far as the Western European and Anglo-American philosophical tradition is concerned, one significant source of this thought is the Christian notion that God loves all human souls equally. Egalitarianism is a protean doctrine, because there are several different types of equality, or ways in which people might be treated the same, or might relate as equals, that might be thought desirable. In modern democratic societies, the term “egalitarian” is often used to refer to a position that favors, for any of a wide array of reasons, a greater degree of equality of income and wealth across persons than currently exists. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/egalitarianism/ Edited March 24, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chris farley said: On a busy day in Rome, more than 25,000 people pass through the doors of the Vatican Museums. But reaching what many consider the holy grail—The Sistine Chapel—often requires standing in three- to four-hour lines then working your way through the labyrinth that is the museums themselves. https://www.cntraveler.com/story/how-to-skip-the-line-at-the-sistine-chapel#:~:text=On a busy day in,that is the museums themselves. https://tripanthropologist.com/vatican-museum-opening-hours-and-tickets/ They have more than an hour waiting time as well, yeah, ban kids. makes it shorter. But at the end of the day, the Sistine chapel has nothing to do with entities promoting surgery and life ling hormonal treatments to children though books and activist playing teachers and administrators. (and massive money and advertising from Political pacs hiding as social justice pacs) its a strange false dichotomy. https://www.contexttravel.com/cities/rome?&utm_campaign=📍[Product]RomeVaticanTours&campaignid=736946342&adgroupid=145102279813&adid=645206388621&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=vatican sistine chapel tours&utm_content=645206388621&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvuXjw730_QIVbPHjBx3lWQeeEAAYASAAEgKRffD_BwE Priority Access It has everything to do with censorship. A teacher just lost her job for showing 6th graders David in Tallahassee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: https://www.contexttravel.com/cities/rome?&utm_campaign=📍[Product]RomeVaticanTours&campaignid=736946342&adgroupid=145102279813&adid=645206388621&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=vatican sistine chapel tours&utm_content=645206388621&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvuXjw730_QIVbPHjBx3lWQeeEAAYASAAEgKRffD_BwE Priority Access It has everything to do with censorship. A teacher just lost her job for showing 6th graders David in Tallahassee. Sounds like your running with one part of the story and only a persons version. Sounds like their is a lot more to it than this one incident. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-interview-with-the-school-board-chair-who-forced-out-a-principal-after-michelangelo-s-david-was-shown-in-class/ar-AA190dDk https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/florida-school-principal-says-she-was-fired-for-teaching-children-about-michelangelo-s-david/ar-AA18ZTeE Again, its her stating she thinks it could have something to do with that. while the school says its a pattern of something. Most fired employees tend to have some ugly stories about their employer. And being a charter is it under the same umbrella as public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Sounds like your running with one part of the story and only a persons version. Sounds like their is a lot more to it than this one incident. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-interview-with-the-school-board-chair-who-forced-out-a-principal-after-michelangelo-s-david-was-shown-in-class/ar-AA190dDk https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/florida-school-principal-says-she-was-fired-for-teaching-children-about-michelangelo-s-david/ar-AA18ZTeE Again, its her stating she thinks it could have something to do with that. while the school says its a pattern of something. Most fired employees tend to have some ugly stories about their employer. And being a charter is it under the same umbrella as public? You really can't see the forest for the trees. Or do you just choose not to? From your cited article: Just to be clear, last year you sent a notice to parents warning them that students were going to see Michelangelo’s David? Yes. This year we made an egregious mistake. We didn’t send that notice. Look, we’re not a public school. We’re a public charter. Parents, after they saw all the crap that’s being taught in public schools during COVID, decided of their own that they didn’t want their children to be taught that. Here we teach the Hillsdale Curriculum, focusing on civic and moral values. We teach a traditional Western civilization, liberal classical education . 🤫And if there’s controversial topics or subjects, we tell parents in advance. We’re going to be sensitive to everybody at the school. Everybody except Michelangelo and classic art fans, it seems. Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Every time meatball says “woke” take a drink hes a dumb jock and a one trick pony Seems ones ancestry needs to be Germanic to avoid nickname ridicule from trump...don't think he's dumb but he only possesses one part of evil genius Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: You really can't see the forest for the trees. Or do you just choose not to? Critical thinking skills. when the usual voices run with the usual over the top stories. I like to research before just accepting as fact. and the other reporting showed that its just this fired lady's story. at this point its foolish to just take headlines as fact. And the employer is not allowed by law to disclose her HR file, or reason. Edited March 24, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Critical thinking skills. when the usual voices run with the usual over the top stories. I like to research before just accepting as fact. and the other reporting showed that its just this fired lady's story. And the employer is not allowed by law to disclose her HR file, or reason. Did you even bother to read the first article you linked or the part I cut and pasted? What about David is not "Western civilization, liberal classical education" Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I read it. then googled other sources. and the ones with more reading and less author opinions inserted stated the entire narrative of her being fired over david, was her story and did not match the ones that canned her for what they stated was a RECORD of bad behavior. And linked them. In the real world, a record of bad behavior at work often results in termination. and them terminated people often have a story of how it was all the other people's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Chris farley said: I read it. then googled other sources. and the ones with more reading and less author opinions inserted stated the entire narrative of her being fired over david, was her story and did not match the ones that canned her for what they stated was a RECORD of bad behavior. And linked them. In the real world, a record of bad behavior at work often results in termination. and them terminated people often have a story of how it was all the other people's fault. The Board of Ed chair gave the quotes dummy. I guess cuz he didn't mention penis, you missed his meaning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 And again it results in ad hominem and lefties talking about genitals. how effing original. SMH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 9 hours ago, redtail hawk said: ask yourself why books on different lifestyle choices are such a threat to people like desantis and his followers. My bet is that to many, it's a threat to what they define as their manhood. I don't perceive that they threaten me or my lifestyle at all. What do you think? Oh and reproduction is enhanced by pleasure. It's kinda the impetus or ideally it is. But hey, books on different lifestyle choices can't help with reproduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Chris farley said: And again it results in ad hominem and lefties talking about genitals. how effing original. SMH yes, because genitalia and great art never coexist... https://www.themarginalian.org/2018/11/15/georgia-okeeffe-flower/ Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: But hey, books on different lifestyle choices can't help with reproduction. You mean to tell me that a leftist is engaging in bad faith motte/bailey nonsense? Say it ain't so! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, LeviF said: You mean to tell me that a leftist is engaging in bad faith motte/bailey nonsense? Say it ain't so! It's like the Bills playing the Texans every week. Odds are the Texans get blown out every time but occasionally they win one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: It's like the Bills playing the Texans every week. Odds are the Texans get blown out every time but occasionally they win one... that works once one understands the lefties in here, are the Texans in that analogy:) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Chris farley said: that works once one understands the lefties in here, are the Texans in that analogy:) lol we can bask in being correct but that doesn't mean that leftists haven't won basically every cultural and social "battle" of the last 60 years. The GOP now is basically just another liberal institution, they just disagree with Democrats on how to achieve liberalism. The occasional win example from last year is the Dobbs case. The funniest part of the shrieking from leftists about fascism and what have you afterward is that, in order for the leftist narrative to continue, they had to pretend that their win-loss record over the past six decades was basically reversed with one small victory for the right. It's the Pats* with Brady or the Chiefs pretending that they're the Texans because they laid one egg. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, Chris farley said: that works once one understands the lefties in here, are the Texans in that analogy:) Losing the senate and barely gaining the house in a midterm with a democratic prez isn't winning. but if you are happy, I'm happy. Come on 2024! 17 minutes ago, LeviF said: It's the Pats* with Brady or the Chiefs pretending that they're the Texans Do we get a choice? Taking the Chiefs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Losing the senate and barely gaining the house in a midterm with a democratic prez isn't winning. but if you are happy, I'm happy. Come on 2024! That's a good point. Its like those moral victories many used to celebrate on Monday morning during the Bills playoff drought after they played tough but lost to New England by just a field goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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