Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Buffarukus said: im not getting the point. crazy people said crazy $#/+. is it my turn to go find the insane amount of violence and quotes from blm riots now? would you like to hear about the summer of love of a democrat official that allowed armed takeovers of parts of the city before the same people killed teenagers? the murder of a "trumpers" during that time? if youd like to reply to anything i said im down for discussion. other then that the quote you pulled from a very long reply and article means what exactly? ummm...the point is the proud boys were planning revolution - civil war. so there's that. the other groups you mentioned aren't on trial for seditious conspiracy against the USA all the while calling themselves "patriots". patriots to white supremacists means something different than it does to regular Americans. 5 hours ago, Buffarukus said: you know the funny part. trump has been in the public eye for decades. was even at one time prominent in alot of rap lyrics. met countless people. had tv shows with black people on them and only when he ran for president was it discovered he is a nazi leader and racist nothing on his previous 70 years on this planet? unlike your racial jungle master who is on tape repeatedly putting forth racist policy after policy after policy. but he has said alot of dumb s#!÷. thats for sure. i just find that convient. thats all. he was sued and lost for racial discrimination as a landlord. so there's that. 4 hours ago, sherpa said: This part of the transcript? "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” “Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.” When he said the "fine people on both sides" thing he was talking about people on both sides of the remove the Lee statue issue, and he was correct. This repeated lie is either gross ignorance or willful deception, and it will be just that every single time the lie is repeated. Either way, he never said that those repugnant groups were fine people, and he made that point twice, as I have quoted from the transcript that you challenged people to read. plausible deniability is what he has mastered. It's all part of his sick shtick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: ummm...the point is the proud boys were planning revolution - civil war. so there's that. the other groups you mentioned aren't on trial for seditious conspiracy against the USA all the while calling themselves "patriots". patriots to white supremacists means something different than it does to regular Americans. he was sued and lost for racial discrimination as a landlord. so there's that. plausible deniability is what he has mastered. It's all part of his sick shtick Again we ask for a definition of white supremacy that can include Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio. What do you mean when you say that he (and his organization) is white supremacist? Edited February 23, 2023 by LeviF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: plausible deniability is what he has mastered. It's all part of his sick shtick In the "good people on both sides" claim, there is no attempt at plausible deniability. He directly condemned those groups in the same interview, making sure he was understood. These are the kinds of repeated lies that empower the folks who defend him against legitimate claims. There is no need to make stuff up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, sherpa said: In the "good people on both sides" claim, there is no attempt at plausible deniability. He directly condemned those groups in the same interview, making sure he was understood. These are the kinds of repeated lies that empower the folks who defend him against legitimate claims. There is no need to make stuff up. just like after the bleach episode. lying is part of his shtick too. he actually promoted it as a biz practice in his book 33 minutes ago, LeviF said: Again we ask for a definition of white supremacy that can include Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio. What do you mean when you say that he (and his organization) is white supremacist? it's a mystery, chief shitlib, leader of the aryan chorus. Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: it's a mystery, chief shitlib, leader of the aryan chorus. You can snark if you like. Or you can call me a racist nazi whatever. I don’t care. I won’t report it, I’ll barely even comment on it. Because I don’t care. But it’s becoming increasingly obvious that this is trending toward “everything I don’t like is Hitler.” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 18 hours ago, LeviF said: It's a goddamn mystery, columbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Can somebody, anybody tell me how a dark skinned Afro-Cuban became the leader of a white supremacist organization? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, LeviF said: Shitlib NOT attempt to derail conversation into irrelevant phrase picking challenge: IMPOSSIBLE 2 minutes ago, LeviF said: Can somebody, anybody tell me how a dark skinned Afro-Cuban became the leader of a white supremacist organization? how did Clarence Thomas become an uncle Tom married to a white election denier? Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 That’s a good try, but seeing as how you defined this entire conversation to revolve around nazis and white supremacists for whatever reason AND twice listed the proud boys as such it’s highly relevant phrase picking. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, LeviF said: That’s a good try, but seeing as how you defined this entire conversation to revolve around nazis and white supremacists for whatever reason AND twice listed the proud boys as such it’s highly relevant phrase picking. maybe the fact that the congresswomen campaign at white supremacist events is relevant? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: maybe the fact that the congresswomen campaign at white supremacist events is relevant? Again, I don’t know who you’re talking about. But based on your apparent definition of white supremacy I’m going to go ahead and not care. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/a-list-of-maga-republicans-who-took-the-great-replacement-theory-mainstream/ not ancient history... Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeviF said: You can snark if you like. Or you can call me a racist nazi whatever. I don’t care. I won’t report it, I’ll barely even comment on it. Because I don’t care. But it’s becoming increasingly obvious that this is trending toward “everything I don’t like is Hitler.” Its amazing they think people want to have debate with voices that toss out insults and attempted put downs. AD hominem has always been the white flag in debate. Edited February 23, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Its amazing they think people want to have debate with voices that toss out insults and attempted put downs. oh the sweet irony... so do you disagree with the American Progress piece or are you gonna leave it at an eyeroll as usual? Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 7 hours ago, sherpa said: This part of the transcript? "I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” “Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.” When he said the "fine people on both sides" thing he was talking about people on both sides of the remove the Lee statue issue, and he was correct. This repeated lie is either gross ignorance or willful deception, and it will be just that every single time the lie is repeated. Either way, he never said that those repugnant groups were fine people, and he made that point twice, as I have quoted from the transcript that you challenged people to read. My colleague believed that's all Trump said until I told him to Google the rest of the quote. He had to admit he got it wrong. Again it's amazing how well it works on them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ In the years since then, Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans, Hispanics more broadly, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women, and people with disabilities. His statements have been reflected in his behavior—from public acts (placing ads calling for the execution of five young black and Latino men accused of rape, who were later shown to be innocent) to private preferences (“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” a former employee of Trump’s Castle, in Atlantic City, New Jersey, told a writer for The New Yorker). Actions speak louder than words Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: ummm...the point is the proud boys were planning revolution - civil war. so there's that. the other groups you mentioned aren't on trial for seditious conspiracy against the USA all the while calling themselves "patriots". patriots to white supremacists means something different than it does to regular Americans. so sedicious conspiracy is far worse then murder of children distruction of innocents property and attack of the same building and many other gov buildings repeatedly. your biased as hell got it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Just now, Buffarukus said: so sedicious conspiracy is far worse then murder of children distruction of innocents property and attack of the same building and many other gov buildings repeatedly. your biased as hell got it so trump has never demonstrated racism as you proposed? got it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: so trump has never demonstrated racism as you proposed? got it What system of racial oppression did trump promote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chris farley said: What system of racial oppression did trump promote? we might start with sh!thole countries. same basic white replacement theme.... Edited February 23, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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