If Trump loses and refuses to leave

[snafu]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Wasn’t a hoax. Trump welcomed the foreign interference 

 

Funny, your guy got caught cheating so you are using that to excuse away Trumps claim of Biden cheating. 

 

You should call Mueller.  Maybe he can reopen the investigation!

Or call Pelosi and maybe this time she could impeach him right proper, and get a conviction, too.

Otherwise, stop.

 

Please find me where I said it is my opinion that Biden cheated.

 

 

[shoshin]

Exhibit Q : DJT election cases :: PPP : covid projections

 

 

 

PPP is actually more credible on Covid predictions than Exhibit Q, the lynchpin of that press conference yesterday. 

[Tiberius]

32 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

You should call Mueller.  Maybe he can reopen the investigation!

Or call Pelosi and maybe this time she could impeach him right proper, and get a conviction, too.

Otherwise, stop.

 

Please find me where I said it is my opinion that Biden cheated.

 

 

Why? If there is no law on the book for our leaders to work with the dictators to undermine our elections, what could Mueller do? 

 

And I never said you said Biden cheated. 

[jrober38]

55 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Sure seems that way. Their star witness (this after their last star witness recanted his testimony and later recanted his recant) screwed the pooch but not until after they had a press conference all about him!

 

What. A. Shock. 

 

I've read multiple articles about how their legal filings have been filed incorrectly, have spelling mistakes and as was the case in Michigan incorrectly named counties that were actually in Minnesota.

 

Trump's legal defense is a microcosm of his White House and the Trump Organization. It's just gross incompetency by everyone involved to the point where they're embarrassing themselves. 

[shoshin]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

I've read multiple articles about how their legal filings have been filed incorrectly, have spelling mistakes and as was the case in Michigan incorrectly named counties that were actually in Minnesota.

 

Trump's legal defense is a microcosm of his White House and the Trump Organization. It's just gross incompetency by everyone involved to the point where they're embarrassing themselves. 

 

This was no misspelling. That would be no big deal. This was a numerical analysis that is completely wrong because of a fundamental error in their "star" exhibit that Trump's elite strike force:

 

(1) waited to introduce until the last minute as the big litigation reveal;

(2) was the basis of all of the legal team's confidence at the press conference yesterday;

(3) labeled as a cute nod to the cultists as Exhibit "Q."

 

The level of arrogant stupidity in this is off the charts. 

[snafu]

35 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Why? If there is no law on the book for our leaders to work with the dictators to undermine our elections, what could Mueller do? 

 

And I never said you said Biden cheated. 

 

He could have included it in his report to Congress and Congress could have impeached him and the Senate have convicted him.

 

[WideNine]

8 hours ago, shoshin said:

Vote certification in 3 battleground states in days. 
 

Trump attorneys: We cannot show you evidence because this is our opening statement after going 1-30 in our previous cases. 
 

Even Tucker is calling BS (and this joining the Deep State). 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just shocking Tucker.... and here you were parroting all that nonsense for the past few weeks. Welcome to the world of actual investigative journalism where you do the minimum fact-checking of your sources.

 

What a hack.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

Of course there no proof. Stalling is the action needed by trump. He needs to get to January with some logic. I believe in January he will unleash a tirade of Biden illegal activities, a war will be started and saving the country from the pandemic will be so consuming he will stay on as the greatest leader of all times. He will sacrifice his wealth for the sake of the country and a coup he expects to be cheered about. It has happened before in this world.

The rest of this stuff is diversion. He needs to get to January. 

In the mean time he meets today with Wayne County republicans suggesting that they could join Jimmy H with permanent seats all all Jets and Giant games in the MeadowLands ( at least this is imaginative ). Can you imagine the attention this will command if they in fact send republicans deligates to electoral college. 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

 

I kid you not, really, that critical and convincing affidavit, the subject matter of which has been the root of Giuliani's strike force presser yesterday was...Exhibit... 

 

Well just open it and see which Exhibit # it got:

 

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf

 

Minnesota, Michigan...what's the diff. 

 

 

Sure seems that way. Their star witness (this after their last star witness recanted his testimony and later recanted his recant) screwed the pooch but not until after they had a press conference all about him!

 

What. A. Shock. 

 

 

 

 

Seriously Trump's legal team's soundtrack

 

 

[WideNine]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani alongside a map showing four key states in red during a news conference Thursday at the Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington. (Sarah Silbiger/for The Washington Post)

“We cannot allow these crooks — ’cause that’s what they are — to steal an election from the American people,” said one of the attorneys, Rudolph W. Giuliani. “They elected Donald Trump; they didn’t elect Joe Biden. Joe Biden is in the lead because of the fraudulent ballots, the illegal ballots that were produced and that were allowed to be used after the election was over. Give us an opportunity to prove it in court and we will.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-uses-power-of-presidency-to-try-to-overturn-the-election-and-stay-in-office/2020/11/19/bc89caa6-2a9f-11eb-8fa2-06e7cbb145c0_story.html

 

 

Rudy....Rudy.... who is this "WE" do you have a mouse you are fondling in your pocket?

 

Pennsylvania Judge both mocks and dismisses baseless Giuliani lawsuit:

 

Brann concluded that the hearing was no longer needed after longtime Trump ally Rudy Giuliani, who joined the Trump campaign’s legal team in court, had said that the ongoing Pennsylvania court challenge “is not a fraud case.” Instead, the Trump team’s allegations resemble smoke and mirrors — and smoke and mirrors don’t need a hearing at which to present evidence in court.

 

 

 

It gets even better when Giuliani tried to get the judge to issue an injunction against the lawyers representing the electorate in PA on the grounds they were making "threatening" phone calls to his fellow lawyer Linda Kerns.

 

Brann also denied a request from Trump’s legal team to sanction the other side over what one of Trump’s lawyers, Linda Ann Kearns, claimed to be threatening phone calls. During a hearing in the case on Tuesday, Brann said that “the word I would use would be 'mockery' to describe the tone of the calls", which he admitted were “regrettable” but simply did not rise to the level of threat that the Trump legal team claimed.

https://bipartisanreport.com/2020/11/18/pennsylvania-judge-embarrasses-giuliani-cancels-hearing/

 

 

 

 

 

You can't make this stuff up. I always felt his administration was some kind of bizarre mashup of WWF and the best of Jerry Springer that capable people he appointed to cabinet roles fled from screaming - now it is like they let the cameras in the room so the world can see the reality TV of the Trump administration. And if he threatens to compete with Fox he could easily lose his propaganda outlet that has repeatedly gone out on a limb to lie or spread conspiracies to provide him cover and pander to his base.

 

Make America Great Again??????

 

He is just embarrassing us around the globe.

 

 

 

 

 

[TBBills]

7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

My God you people are such a morose bunch.   
 

President = Russian Agent.  Democracy at its finest.

 

President = Impeachment gambit, 

Democracy at its finest. 
 

SC Nominee = Serial Rapist as alleged by presumed VP elect.
Democracy at its finest, 

 

President lawfully challenges election = OMG how could this happen !! 
 

“Come on ladies, no crying in the breast milk!”

-Patches O’Houlihan (RIP) 

 

 

 

You know he is losing the fight when he becomes a Rudy Giuliani in PPP forum.

Edited November 20, 2020 by TBBills

[WideNine]

15 minutes ago, TBBills said:

You know he is losing the fight when he becomes a Rudy Giuliani in PPP forum.

 

7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

My God you people are such a morose bunch.   
 

President = Russian Agent.  Democracy at its finest.

• Never said Russian Agent. Stupid and greedy enough to be used by Russia, yes he was.

 

President = Impeachment gambit, 

• Obstruction is a impeachable offense - he did plenty.
• Withholding funds Congress approved for Ukraine as leverage to gain dirt on a political opponent - yes, he did order that.
• Having a spineless GOP-majority led Senate allow him to misuse and abuse the Office of the Presidency and summarily dismiss any Congressional checks on his behavior - yes there was.

Democracy at its finest. 

• Agree here, as he should have been impeached - twice for good measure if the Senate gave a damn and did their job with a shred of integrity.
   

SC Nominee = Serial Rapist as alleged by presumed VP elect.

• No idea what this is about so, maybe you can add more context as to source and such....

Democracy at its finest, 

 

President lawfully challenges election = OMG how could this happen !! 

• While it is lawful to challenge as there is plenty of precedent, it is grossly negligent, irresponsible, selfish, and destructive to publicly attack and levy baseless charges of conspiracy and fraud against our voting institutions lacking any credible evidence. 
• It would be less irresponsible if Trump's cult/base were more interested in preserving Democracy over their blind adoration of that individual, and were not so immune to things like facts and evidence - you know, real things that can be shown in court by folks sworn to tell the truth....
• As to the progress of his actual lawful attempts to back his baseless claims of election fraud: 
  • How many cases has Trump's lawyers brought against states for election fraud?
  • How many have actually presented any evidence and won in court where even Trump-appointed judges are shooting them down?
     

“Come on ladies, no crying in the breast milk!”

-Patches O’Houlihan (RIP) 

 

 

 

 

 

[WideNine]

Team Trump Legal Defections - there should be a tracker:)

 

 

 

Below is a timeline of the drama on Trump’s legal team:

 

Nov. 8: Snell & Wilmer, the largest law firm representing the Trump campaign, moves to withdraw from litigation in Arizona, a day after filing its lawsuit.

 

Nov. 9: The New York Times reports widespread discomfort among employees of Jones Day, another large law firm that has represented Trump, who expressed concern that the firm was participating in Trump’s effort to undermine the integrity of elections.

 

Nov. 10: A judge allows Snell & Wilmer to withdraw.

 

Nov. 10: Jones Day issues a statement saying it “is not representing President Trump, his campaign, or any affiliated party in any litigation alleging voter fraud.” (Some of Trump’s lawyers have stopped short of echoing his claims of outright fraud, even as they question the legitimacy of some ballots.) Jones Day emphasizes that it is “representing the Pennsylvania GOP” and says it will not withdraw from litigation.

 

Nov. 12: Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, another large firm representing the Trump campaign, moves to withdraw from litigation in Pennsylvania four days after filing suit.

 

Nov. 13: Jones Day tells employees that it won’t get involved in additional litigation.

 

Nov. 13: Trump puts Giuliani in charge after the campaign’s latest setback in Maricopa County, Ariz.

 

Nov. 14: Trump makes Giuliani’s posting official and announces four others who will lead his team. Two of them are the husband-wife team of Joseph diGenova and Victoria Toensing, who were announced as new members of Trump’s legal team during the Russia investigation in 2018 but whose hiring was halted two days later over conflicts. The others are Sidney Powell, who most recently has served as lawyer to former Trump national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, and Jenna Ellis, the Trump campaign’s legal adviser. Both have promoted baseless allegations and suggestions of substantial voter fraud.

 

Nov. 15: The Trump campaign narrows its lawsuit in Pennsylvania, and Porter Wright Morris & Arthur is removed as counsel in the updated document. It is replaced by Texas lawyer John B. Scott, who joins Pennsylvania lawyer Linda A. Kerns on the case.

 

Nov. 16: Scott, Kerns and a third lawyer in the Pennsylvania case, Douglas Bryan Hughes, move to withdraw. The judge allows Scott and Hughes to do so but not Kerns. Pennsylvania lawyer Scaringi joins the case as lead counsel, despite having said recently on his radio show that “in my view, the litigation will not work” and that “it will not reverse this election.” Scaringi asks for a delay in a scheduled hearing the following day, saying he and a colleague “need additional time to adequately prepare.” The motion is rejected.

 

Nov. 17: Giuliani joins as counsel in the Pennsylvania case, appearing in court. Kerns declines an opportunity to speak, citing her request to withdraw.

 

Nov. 19: The judge allows Kerns to withdraw.

[TBBills]

5 minutes ago, WideNine said:

Team Trump Legal Defections - there should be a tracker:)

 

 

 

Below is a timeline of the drama on Trump’s legal team:

 

Nov. 8: Snell & Wilmer, the largest law firm representing the Trump campaign, moves to withdraw from litigation in Arizona, a day after filing its lawsuit.

 

Nov. 9: The New York Times reports widespread discomfort among employees of Jones Day, another large law firm that has represented Trump, who expressed concern that the firm was participating in Trump’s effort to undermine the integrity of elections.

 

Nov. 10: A judge allows Snell & Wilmer to withdraw.

 

Nov. 10: Jones Day issues a statement saying it “is not representing President Trump, his campaign, or any affiliated party in any litigation alleging voter fraud.” (Some of Trump’s lawyers have stopped short of echoing his claims of outright fraud, even as they question the legitimacy of some ballots.) Jones Day emphasizes that it is “representing the Pennsylvania GOP” and says it will not withdraw from litigation.

 

Nov. 12: Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, another large firm representing the Trump campaign, moves to withdraw from litigation in Pennsylvania four days after filing suit.

 

Nov. 13: Jones Day tells employees that it won’t get involved in additional litigation.

 

Nov. 13: Trump puts Giuliani in charge after the campaign’s latest setback in Maricopa County, Ariz.

 

Nov. 14: Trump makes Giuliani’s posting official and announces four others who will lead his team. Two of them are the husband-wife team of Joseph diGenova and Victoria Toensing, who were announced as new members of Trump’s legal team during the Russia investigation in 2018 but whose hiring was halted two days later over conflicts. The others are Sidney Powell, who most recently has served as lawyer to former Trump national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, and Jenna Ellis, the Trump campaign’s legal adviser. Both have promoted baseless allegations and suggestions of substantial voter fraud.

 

Nov. 15: The Trump campaign narrows its lawsuit in Pennsylvania, and Porter Wright Morris & Arthur is removed as counsel in the updated document. It is replaced by Texas lawyer John B. Scott, who joins Pennsylvania lawyer Linda A. Kerns on the case.

 

Nov. 16: Scott, Kerns and a third lawyer in the Pennsylvania case, Douglas Bryan Hughes, move to withdraw. The judge allows Scott and Hughes to do so but not Kerns. Pennsylvania lawyer Scaringi joins the case as lead counsel, despite having said recently on his radio show that “in my view, the litigation will not work” and that “it will not reverse this election.” Scaringi asks for a delay in a scheduled hearing the following day, saying he and a colleague “need additional time to adequately prepare.” The motion is rejected.

 

Nov. 17: Giuliani joins as counsel in the Pennsylvania case, appearing in court. Kerns declines an opportunity to speak, citing her request to withdraw.

 

Nov. 19: The judge allows Kerns to withdraw.

I wonder if any of them will respond to this or ignore it and just try to pick fights b.c it's all they have left.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

19 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

 

 

-please provide the evidence of Russian collusion, pulled from das Mueller report.  I’ll review and respond.

 

-please provide evidence of obstruction of the crime of collusion, from das Mueller report.  I’ll review and respond. 
 

-please provide supporting documentation of a gutless and spineless GOP, including rules of the senate that were violated by the GOP.  Be specific so we can avoid wasting any time on discussions of the partisan nature of the congressional impeachment hearings.  
 

-please provide evidence of the aecond impeachable offense you’re referenced, and provide the documentation that supports your claim. 
 

-VP Harris was Chief interrogator on Ballsy’s unsubstantiated and unverified claim of violent sexual assault by BL.  Additional salacious claims prosecuted and disseminated included accusations that BK participated in rape trains.  That’s your girl there, and her reward for the destruction of a non-combatant with an impeccable record of service was VP.  

 

The rest of your post certainly tugs at my heart strings but I reject it outright as over-emotional gibberish.  
 

 

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

I wonder if any of them will respond to this or ignore it and just try to pick fights b.c it's all they have left.

 

It is kind of sad really as the house of cards and illusion that Trump created for them starts to blow away like a fart in the wind, that Fox propped him up as his State-Run propaganda outlet, but his threats of competing for their viewers has made them fire a few shots of legit reporting over his bow. If Fox defects, they will have to follow their cult leader to some other venue - sound familiar?

 

Twitter holds him to a standard of honesty and he tells his cult followers to go to Parler, Fox starts to hold him to a standard in retaliation for his viewership-siphoning threats and he tells his cult to migrate somewhere else... just ridiculous.

 

When held up to any real scrutiny his actions are always twisted and laced with falsehood - you scratch the surface of Trump and you find a con, you scratch down another layer and there is just more con... that is how he continues to run a business it is always this hamster wheel of bankruptcies and then back to the propaganda about how great the next venture will be, then bankruptcies and repeat...

 

He could give P. T. Barnum lessons on conning suckers.

 

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[TBBills]

Wonder how angry Trump and his Trumpies must be that Biden keeps winning Georgia lol

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

-please provide the evidence of Russian collusion, pulled from das Mueller report.  I’ll review and respond.

 

-please provide evidence of obstruction of the crime of collusion, from das Mueller report.  I’ll review and respond. 
 

-please provide supporting documentation of a gutless and spineless GOP, including rules of the senate that were violated by the GOP.  Be specific so we can avoid wasting any time on discussions of the partisan nature of the congressional impeachment hearings.  
 

-please provide evidence of the aecond impeachable offense you’re referenced, and provide the documentation that supports your claim. 
 

-VP Harris was Chief interrogator on Ballsy’s unsubstantiated and unverified claim of violent sexual assault by BL.  Additional salacious claims prosecuted and disseminated included accusations that BK participated in rape trains.  That’s your girl there, and her reward for the destruction of a non-combatant with an impeccable record of service was VP.  

 

The rest of your post certainly tugs at my heart strings but I reject it outright as over-emotional gibberish.  
 

 

 

• As to the Russian collusion or cooperation or collaboration, I have done that several times in several posts and the Trump cultist just want to argue the semantics and defend the indefensible actions of his campaign - ignorance of criminal actions is not the same as they did not happen. A position I highly doubt they would ever take for another sitting president. That is why I believe those that blindly follow Trump are not US patriots as they put that conman before our Country.

 

• To understand obstruction, you first need to understand Article 1 of the Constitution regarding the right Congress has to impeach and what that entails in regards to subpoenas, access to witnesses and testimony, as well as access to financial records. If you do not understand or agree on that branch providing those checks against the Executive branch than elucidating more is pointless. Just remember it could just as well in the future be a GOP run house trying to put the brakes on a Democratic President abusing his Executive branch powers. In the game of political and partisan one-upmanship these obstruction precedents only create the reason for the other party to up the ante and respond in kind.
• Also if you do not understand the very open and unethical nature of a sitting President Tweeting out threats against those that oppose him (whistle-blowers, inspector generals doing their jobs, DHS heads confirming election security) and retaliating against those perceived threats (the black Friday firings) then you really do not understand what "obstruction" means.

 

• The second impeachable offense was withholding Ukrainian aid approved for immediate release by Congress in lieu of Ukraine obtaining dirt on his political rival Biden. This was directed by Trump, and executed in typical clumsy ham-fisted style by Rudy.

Lastly, out of all that stuff you through out there I guess to smear Harris, it seems rather thin, but I did have to laugh as you made me research and lo and behold Michael Avenatti makes an appearance - that ambulance chaser who was trying to shake down a President using a porn star. I keep saying you can't make this stuff up:)
 

• The facts: Ford never recanted her version of events although many dubious articles circulated that claimed she did - she did not.  There was a Jane Doe letter sent to Harris' office from an accuser that she responsibly and immediately passed to the Senate Judiciary Committee. There was no merit to that allegation and it was dismissed.

• The claims of sexual assault from Ford and Ramirez were never disproved nor were they referred to the justice department. I personally find their stories compelling enough to have looked elsewhere for a conservative justice.

 

The more complete story: 

 

The handwritten anonymous letter in question was sent to Democratic Sen. Kamala Harris’ office, which immediately passed the letter along to Senate Judiciary Committee investigators on Sept. 25. The letter, signed “Jane Doe” from Oceanside, California, alleged that Kavanaugh and another man raped her in the backseat of a car. On Sept. 26, Senate committee staff questioned Kavanaugh about the accusations in the letter. Kavanaugh said the claim was “ridiculous,” “a crock” and “didn’t happen.”

 

A transcript of the interview and the text of the letter were publicly released by the committee that day, and a few media outlets — but only a few — reported on it.

 

On Oct. 3, two days before the Senate narrowly confirmed Kavanaugh, the judiciary committee got an email from Judy Munro-Leighton in which she claimed to be “Jane Doe from Oceanside CA.” However, during a phone interview with judiciary investigators on Nov. 1, Munro-Leighton “admitted, contrary to her prior claims, that she had not been sexually assaulted by Judge Kavanaugh and was not the author of the original ‘Jane Doe’ letter,” according to a letter from Sen. Chuck Grassley referring Munro-Leighton to the attorney general and FBI for investigation into possible charges: making a materially false statement to a Senate committee and obstruction.

 

According to Grassley’s letter, Munro-Leighton said she made up the story to “grab attention” and that it was “just a ploy” to oppose Kavanaugh’s confirmation.To be clear, though, Senate investigators don’t know who wrote the original, anonymous letter that was sent to Harris’ office, only that it wasn’t Munro-Leighton.

 

As we said, the allegations contained in the anonymous letter were not widely reported by national media outlets, certainly not as widely as the allegations made by Ford, Deborah Ramirez — a classmate of Kavanaugh’s at Yale who said he exposed himself to her at a party — and Julie Swetnick — who claimed she witnessed Kavanaugh grabbing women inappropriately.

 

In addition to Munroe-Leighton, Grassley referred Swetnick and her attorney, Michael Avenatti, to the Justice Department for criminal investigation related to a potential conspiracy to provide materially false statements to Congress and obstruction.

 

No referral to the Justice Dept has been made for Ford or Ramirez.

Edited November 21, 2020 by WideNine

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