There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[snafu]

20 minutes ago, PelotonBillsFan said:

It’s a conspiracy bro.

 

This global pandemic was designed by Hillary and Obama to take back the White House.

 

dontchyaknow?

 

 

 

In what way does a comment like this drive the topic of the conversation? You responded to a well thought post with gibberish — perhaps to make a juvenile point?

 

This is how you get your jollies? Sad. 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

11 minutes ago, PelotonBillsFan said:

☝️Such cupcakes in here lmao... I won’t miss you @Deranged Rhino - we know you have numerous handles here. 

 

I have two. My original which still exists but hasn't been active since Karlos got his nickname, and this one. 

 

But it's nice to know I'm living rent free in your empty dome   

[PelotonBillsFan]

17 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He's a peloton cultist. Can't trust him to have independent thought

 

Another @Deranged Rhino disciple 

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, PelotonBillsFan said:

Another @Deranged Rhino disciple 

 

I don't know who you are, and I'm sure I've already taken you apart under a different name. But if you really want to get busted up again, we can go a few rounds. Pick a topic you wish to be embarrassed on and dazzle us all with your insight...

[PelotonBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

In what way does a comment like this drive the topic of the conversation? You responded to a well thought post with gibberish — perhaps to make a juvenile point?

 

This is how you get your jollies? Sad. 

 

 

oh but the deep state forced Flynn to lie?

 

got it.

 

love how hard RUSSIA and Trump & co are trying mighty hard to rewrite history AND place blame on Obama. 
 

like any undecided or dem voter will all of sudden disregard the past three years of hell and vote for the likes of MoscowMitch and PutinsBitch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Que the almighty Deranged in 3-2-1...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

????‍♂️??‍♀️?‼️

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, PelotonBillsFan said:

love how hard RUSSIA and Trump & co are trying mighty hard to rewrite history AND place blame on Obama. 

 

Oh, we can do this topic  

 

Tell us the history being re-written. Be specific. 

[dubs]

The thing I really don't quite understand is, what is the specific, quantifiable goal that the continued shut downers are trying to achieve.  I've heard a wide range:

 

- Until a vaccine is available - Newsome

- If we can save one life - Cuomo

- Until the science says so - countless people

 

The first two are quantifiable yet so absurd.  The last one doesn't really mean anything.  If Remainers (outside of Newsome and Cuomo's absurd standard) maintain that we need to balance opening with strict mitigation, then what is the standard or goal we are optimizing for using these models?  Is it a death rate?  Is it an absolute number of deaths?  Is it infection rates and hospitalizations?  A combination of those and if so, what are the metrics they are hoping to attain? 

 

This is what leads me to believe they have absolutely no idea what they are doing because the only outcome it seems they are trying to achieve is complete minimization of the virus without regard for any other consideration.  

[PelotonBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Oh, we can do this topic  

 

Tell us the history being re-written. Be specific. 

No need for me to be specific when you link every twitter take from the leading far right conspiracists on a daily basis. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, dubs said:

The thing I really don't quite understand is, what is the specific, quantifiable goal that the continued shut downers are trying to achieve.  I've heard a wide range:

 

- Until a vaccine is available - Newsome

- If we can save one life - Cuomo

- Until the science says so - countless people

 

The first two are quantifiable yet so absurd.  The last one doesn't really mean anything.  If Remainers (outside of Newsome and Cuomo's absurd standard) maintain that we need to balance opening with strict mitigation, then what is the standard or goal we are optimizing for using these models?  Is it a death rate?  Is it an absolute number of deaths?  Is it infection rates and hospitalizations?  A combination of those and if so, what are the metrics they are hoping to attain? 

 

This is what leads me to believe they have absolutely no idea what they are doing because the only outcome it seems they are trying to achieve is complete minimization of the virus without regard for any other consideration.  

Get Trump out of office. 

 

Full stop.

[B-Man]

Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts Barred From Placing Flags At Veterans’ Cemeteries On Memorial Day

by Hank Berrien

 

Original Article

 

The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts who have traditionally placed American flags on the graves of veterans at veterans’ cemeteries on Memorial Day have been barred from doing so because of the coronavirus crisis. The Scouts cannot perform their acts of honor because the Department of Veteran’s Affairs has banned public events at the sites, Fox News reports, adding, “On Long Island, N.Y., where more than 500,000 veterans are buried at two national military cemeteries, there are demands for the VA to reconsider and rescind the ban.” Suffolk County executive Steve Bellone told Fox News

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, PelotonBillsFan said:

No need for me to be specific when you link every twitter take from the leading far right conspiracists on a daily basis. 

 

There is a need. You claimed that Russia and Trump are trying to re-write history. What history? What happened in 2016 in your own words. Go.

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, dubs said:

The thing I really don't quite understand is, what is the specific, quantifiable goal that the continued shut downers are trying to achieve.  I've heard a wide range:

 

- Until a vaccine is available - Newsome

- If we can save one life - Cuomo

- Until the science says so - countless people

 

The first two are quantifiable yet so absurd.  The last one doesn't really mean anything.  If Remainers (outside of Newsome and Cuomo's absurd standard) maintain that we need to balance opening with strict mitigation, then what is the standard or goal we are optimizing for using these models?  Is it a death rate?  Is it an absolute number of deaths?  Is it infection rates and hospitalizations?  A combination of those and if so, what are the metrics they are hoping to attain? 

 

This is what leads me to believe they have absolutely no idea what they are doing because the only outcome it seems they are trying to achieve is complete minimization of the virus without regard for any other consideration.  

 

Given that Cuomo and Newsome are opening their states, you can read their concerns as showing concern for people, not holding them hostage with unreasonable goals in mind. 

[PelotonBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

There is a need. You claimed that Russia and Trump are trying to re-write history. What history? What happened in 2016 in your own words. Go.

Trump colluded with Russia. 
 

It happened and no link or tweet of yours will change my mind.

[dubs]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Given that Cuomo and Newsome are opening their states, you can read their concerns as showing concern for people, not holding them hostage with unreasonable goals in mind. 

 

They are not opening.  Using 7 standards and waiting periods per county isn't opening, with the threat of closing back down if things go back.

So again, I am not asking what the process is, but what specific outcome is being optimized for in their models?  They keep referencing the models, but they are just showing infection rates, hospitalizations, deaths.  That's data, not a model.  A model is used to inform a decision to influence a future outcome.  They have inputs and outputs and goals to optimize for.  I am simply asking, what are the goals they are trying to achieve and how are they quantifying it.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, PelotonBillsFan said:

Trump colluded with Russia. 
 

It happened and no link or tweet of yours will change my mind.

 

"It happened". 

 

What evidence do you have that contradicts Mueller's findings? Or three House committees? Or the Senate's? Please share it, you must have something good that no one else has discovered in 4 years of looking and multiple probes. 

 

 

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, PelotonBillsFan said:

Trump colluded with Russia. 
 

It happened and no link or tweet of yours will change my mind.

 

In other words.

 

"FACTS BE DAMNED!

 

I am a mouth-breathing partisan who will only believe what I want to believe.

 

HARUMPHHHHH!!"

Edited May 14, 2020 by Magox

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

In other words.

 

"FACTS BE DAMNED!

 

I am a mouth-breathing partisan who will only believe what I want to believe.

 

HARUMPHHHHH!!"

 

It's amazing, isn't it?  

[shoshin]

5 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

They are not opening.  Using 7 standards and waiting periods per county isn't opening, with the threat of closing back down if things go back.

So again, I am not asking what the process is, but what specific outcome is being optimized for in their models?  They keep referencing the models, but they are just showing infection rates, hospitalizations, deaths.  That's data, not a model.  A model is used to inform a decision to influence a future outcome.  They have inputs and outputs and goals to optimize for.  I am simply asking, what are the goals they are trying to achieve and how are they quantifying it.

 

NYS is pretty much using the CDC guidelines put out by the administration. Those guidelines are excellent. 

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's amazing, isn't it?  

 

Even if 1/4 of this happened, it's way too much but carry on liberal.

Trump’s Russia Cover-Up By the Numbers – 272 contacts with Russia-linked operatives

[B-Man]

 

 

Back to the thread..........

 

 

 

FROM THE LOS ANGELES TIMES: The economic devastation wrought by the pandemic could ultimately kill more people than the virus itself.

 

 

You know what else kills? Poverty and despair.