Scraps Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It's one of the great mysteries of the pandemic. To be completely honest, I wonder if the reason there was very little pushback on those sorts of mass gatherings, why Dr. Faucci was not railing against these massive super-spreader events was to encourage transmission of the virus. Probably because the administration did not let him go on shows like Meet The Press, Face The Nation etc.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, Scraps said: Probably because the administration did not let him go on shows like Meet The Press, Face The Nation etc. Sure, he's been kept in a sensory deprivation tank since March. I'm surprised anyone even knows his name.
SoCal Deek Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 4 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I suggest you quit thinking in either/or ways. Trump’s rallies caused outbreaks where he had rallies - Tulsa or the White House for examples. California is likely due to Covid fatigue and improper in home meetings without masks. Your desire to defend Trump to the death blinds you to reality. What?? I didn’t defend Trump! I didn’t bring him into it at all. Sheeesh
dpberr Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 One of the many shortcomings, and potential for shenanigans, of the response was the federal government's lack of requiring labs to have one consistent PCR testing cycle range and showing the quantitative result of the test to establish the patient's viral load at the time the specimen is retrieved. Everyone is walking around not knowing what a negative or positive test truly means in terms of viral load, and I think that means a lot. A positive and negative can be separated by a single cycle but you can remain quite infectious. On the flip, you may be asymptomatic and think you've got a weak strain of it but your viral load, in reality, may be completely off the charts. I think if people knew conclusively how infectious they were, they'd be more careful not to spread it around. Many other viral tests for EBV, HIV, etc. all test for viral load but when it came to COV-2, nope, it just had to be positive or negative. When you had mono as a kid, the reason you stayed home from school for a week is that your viral load would generally decrease to a non-infectious level over that course of time. You could conclusively know that via test. With HIV, viral load IS the gold standard, it's an absolute need to know metric. 1
LeGOATski Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 My MIL is a huge Trump supporter, but also an anti-vaxxer. As the Trump administration is pushing the vaccine and Pence is televising his own vaccination, watching her struggle is kinda funny. The Pence Vaccination Holiday Special is pretty weird to me. Sorry if this has been talked about too much already, but I figured people would be commenting on it in this thread. Does anyone else find it odd? Weird in an off-putting way?
TH3 Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) On 12/15/2020 at 8:02 PM, Big Blitz said: Up to the locality yes. If you're under 40 why wouldn't you minimize it. If you have a BMI less than 20 (we need to mandate bans on French fries) you have nothing to worry about. Here is why Einstein, My parents live in a Senior Living Campus in WNY. The campus has been fortunate to keep the virus out until just recently. MANY of the residents have helping staff come in to help the residents - they are not employees of the center - but they are a vital cog of the ecosystem of these facilities. My mother has dementia and needs help at almost everything - but she is not ready for memory care. My Dad cannot handle the dawn to dusk load of this and help comes in. Help is typically younger moms picking up some part time work. The facility has been testing these incoming helpers on a weekly basis - but that doesn't guarantee anything. Recently an outbreak occurred in one of the wings...20 affected 3 dead. So post your graphs and make fun of medical care workers blowing off some steam....You clearly have the luxury of not having to think about the effects of this virus on your life - but know that your observations on what should be happening in our country are based on YOUR position. Edited December 17, 2020 by TH3 1
Big Blitz Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, TH3 said: So post your graphs and make fun of medical care workers blowing off some steam....You clearly have the luxury of not having to think about the effects of this virus on your life - My own kids falling behind in school.... their depression, anxiety, fear, and overall impact on their development that they can't get back while the privileged elite telework sure but otherwise this has no impact on my life correct. I have to work and teach 2nd and 6th grade this year. It's going great! My 8th and 9th graders look like they want to slit their wrists every day but it's awesome! We're all in this together! It's been a pleasure the last 4 months watching my said 2nd grader barely write because you know everything is computers bc the AI or just going to take over anyway. I take that back....occasionally she writes on a small white board and holds up answers the teachers don't really see or correct. Edited December 17, 2020 by Big Blitz
Big Blitz Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, TH3 said: So post your graphs and make fun of medical care workers blowing off some steam....You clearly have the luxury of not having to think about the effects of this virus on your life - My own kids falling behind in school.... their depression, anxiety, fear, and overall impact on their development that they can't get back while the privileged elite telework sure but otherwise this has no impact on my life correct. I have to work and teach 2nd and 6th grade this year. It's going great! My 8th and 9th graders look like they want to slit their wrists every day but it's awesome! We're all in this together! Asynchronous "learning!" Why do we even need teachers and Schools anymore??? This is just as good! 1
TH3 Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: My own kids falling behind in school.... their depression, anxiety, fear, and overall impact on their development that they can't get back while the privileged elite telework sure but otherwise this has no impact on my life correct. I have to work and teach 2nd and 6th grade this year. It's going great! My 8th and 9th graders look like they want to slit their wrists every day but it's awesome! We're all in this together! Asynchronous "learning!" Why do we even need teachers and Schools anymore??? This is just as good! So what you are saying is the answer to this is to let everyone get it, and while we are at it ....let's make fun of health care workers while we are at. The complete AVOWED abdication and utter myopic incompetence of the Trump administration has put both you, my parents and this country in places they should not be. But hey....Nothing like owning the libs with a sick burn like "At least they are 6 feet away" 2
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: My own kids falling behind in school.... their depression, anxiety, fear, and overall impact on their development that they can't get back while the privileged elite telework sure but otherwise this has no impact on my life correct. I have to work and teach 2nd and 6th grade this year. It's going great! My 8th and 9th graders look like they want to slit their wrists every day but it's awesome! We're all in this together! It's been a pleasure the last 4 months watching my said 2nd grader barely write because you know everything is computers bc the AI or just going to take over anyway. I take that back....occasionally she writes on a small white board and holds up answers the teachers don't really see or correct. And 3,700 people died of covid just yesterday
Big Blitz Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, TH3 said: So what you are saying is the answer to this is to let everyone get it, and while we are at it ....let's make fun of health care workers while we are at. The complete AVOWED abdication and utter myopic incompetence of the Trump administration has put both you, my parents and this country in places they should not be. 1. My father is one of those health care workers in Buffalo. He has repeatedly told me as if I don't know, its a serious virus, I've seen it, I know colleagues that got it........but we're not near capacity or any breaking point......we did what we were told.... what we're essentially doing is giving in to fear at this point. In March I was very worried. Not anymore. I wasn't "making fun" of them. The point of that is to say if this was so devastating, we don't have time for this narcissistic nonsense that is not to relieve stress they're saying hey look at me despite this pandemic we have everyone thinking is overrunning our hospitals. It isn't. And fyi, they all should be Time's "Person of the Year." They gave it to a career politician that did literally NOTHING and backed into becoming president. Yes, I should take this all seriously. 2. Trump isn't to blame for the mitigation destroying 50 million kids. When weighing the science and assessing risk....they need to be in school fully open. Any teacher that doesn't want to work should be fired. Lose year of pay (or more depending how long they want to do this) or demonstrate clear documented health risks and get a year off. Why are ANY government employees still getting paid as they close down businesses and re arrange tax payer funded education to favor the elites, Google, Microsoft and the privileged without consent from the public? But sure, I should be taking this seriously. I am. Just not in ways the cower in your basement forever because I most definitely have a government job no spouse and/or kids in school crowd can even or is willing to comprehend. Kids aren't playing school sports? Why? Kids aren't at least at half capacity. Why? Where is the science that says they shouldn't be doing these things? It should be up to them and their parents and if the concern is death, the math says they should continue to avoid grandma because the average age of death remains over 74 years old. Their protection does not require shutting down society. Edited December 17, 2020 by Big Blitz
SoCal Deek Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: And 3,700 people died of covid just yesterday That's just as pretty much everyone predicted would happen around this time of year. You believe the proper response would be what exactly.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: That's just as pretty much everyone predicted would happen around this time of year. You believe the proper response would be what exactly. A question? No way. I was not commenting on the response.
SoCal Deek Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: A question? No way. I was not commenting on the response. Tibs.....you posted a statistic without commentary. I assume it was meant as some sort of statement. My question is a simple one....if you were in charge right now, what exactly would you do in light of that statistic?
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Tibs.....you posted a statistic without commentary. I assume it was meant as some sort of statement. My question is a simple one....if you were in charge right now, what exactly would you do in light of that statistic? I'd start by telling the truth, which Trump has not. How many died because of his lies? Any guesses?
SoCal Deek Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: I'd start by telling the truth, which Trump has not. How many died because of his lies? Any guesses? And away we go. Back to this oldie but goodie. Since he only has a couple of weeks left, I assume you need to get them in now!
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: And away we go. Back to this oldie but goodie. Since he only has a couple of weeks left, I assume you need to get them in now! Why are you trying to belittle the point that he lied about a pandemic?
shoshin Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: That's just as pretty much everyone predicted would happen around this time of year. You believe the proper response would be what exactly. That is a massive re-write on the history of this thread. Look back in the summer and it's post after post by people--including me--saying that we thought there'd be no second wave. That we were bottoming out and the winter would at best see a light rise (to the mockery of many). Magox quoting Alex Berenson every other day. No, Fauci and many others predicted things would get a lot worse. Many of us, including our president "it's going to go away" were very wrong. Let's not pretend that "everyone" predicted this. Most on the right did not. Infectious disease experts, as reported by the media, did. Edited December 17, 2020 by shoshin
SoCal Deek Posted December 17, 2020 Posted December 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, shoshin said: That is a massive re-write on the history of this thread. Look back in the summer and it's post after post by people--including me--saying that we thought there'd be no second wave. That we were bottoming out and the winter would at best see a light rise (to the mockery of many). Magox quoting Alex Berenson every other day. No, Fauci and many others predicted things would get a lot worse. Many of us, including our president "it's going to go away" were very wrong. Let's not pretend that "everyone" predicted this. Most on the right did not. Infectious disease experts, as reported by the media, did. You exhaust me.
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