Looking for a reason why Beane should make a big trade before the deadline? Look no further than John Dorsey.

[Green Lightning]

On 10/25/2019 at 9:41 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Dorsey was fired because he was a disorganized mess who mismanaged the cap and didn’t get along with Andy. 

No Yolo, it's because he didn't make a trade. I read that somewhere...

[Mr. WEO]

17 hours ago, BILLSCRAZY3024 said:

Jesus! PLZ BEANE!!!!! Sign AJ already and let’s get this thing working! WTF are we doing? This is the thing about the BILLS. They always wait too damn long to make moves. PLEASE BEANE! Jump

on AJ and don't look back. Think about the future of our beloved team. He is a good player who needs a good team and coaching staff which we have. DO THE DEAL! WTF ARE WE WAITING FOR!!!!!  Also, we have to let TJ Yeldon go. He should of been released before Shady but what’s done is done. Yeldon has been a bust for us. Move on Beane. Get AJ and look at another RB in the draft. Singletary has it. Develop him. Ugh! This team frustrates me when they go on careful conservative mode! F THE PATRIOTS! Build  this team to be a killer and they will kill the Patsies. 

You're so close...... LETS GO BUFFALO!!!!! 
 

 

Jump On AJ and he'll miss 2 more seasons.

[Thurman#1]

On 10/26/2019 at 2:42 AM, ChevyVanMiller said:

"John Dorsey was fired as GM of the Chiefs in June 2017, six months after the team finished a 12-4 season and less than two months after he drafted Patrick Mahomes."

Found this interesting factoid in an ESPN article about why current NFL GMs are trading way more than their counterparts of just 5 years ago did. Crazy to think that a guy could get canned after a season like that and then making a trade up and hitting on a true franchise QB.

 

Just goes to show that it's a win-in-the-playoffs league and swinging for the fences by moving draft capital isn't the awful idea it was once considered to be.

 

Here's the full article : https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27919597/why-nfl-trades-increased-four-reasons-why-deadline-no-longer-dud

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the article. Interesting take.

 

Having said that, there is some of it that I'm not really buying.

 

He cites Gettleman, Dorsey and Brian Gaine as examples of GMs who got fired a bit earlier than normal. And those three situations were all somewhat peculiar. Gaine lost a power struggle with O'Brien. Gettleman seems to have been fired partly because the owner didn't like his inability to get along with people, in combination with his drop from an excellent Super Bowl season to a 6-10 that had a lot to do with weak areas in personnel that had been predictable before the season.

 

"In interviews with more than a dozen team and league sources, the Observer learned that Gettleman’s brusque management style – which had made him unpopular with some Carolina players from his earliest days as GM – had begun to wear thin throughout the organization. Some staffers also didn’t like how Gettleman reshaped the roster following the 2015 Super Bowl season, leaving yawning gaps in the secondary and along the offensive line that were exposed during a 6-10 campaign last year."

 

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article162968358.html

 

And here's another interesting excerpt from the same Charlotte Observer article on the firing, "Gettleman’s gruff manner was offset somewhat by assistant GM Brandon Beane, whose personable nature allowed him to serve as a go-between among the front office, coaching staff and locker room. Beane was considered the heir apparent for Gettleman’s job before he joined former Panthers defensive coordinator Sean McDermott as the GM in Buffalo. Losing Beane put further strain on some of Gettleman’s work relationships, according to sources.Tolbert said Beane acted as a buffer for Gettleman. “Without a doubt,” he said. “As players we all love Beane. We all love being around him. He’s part of the reason we did what we did. I’m happy to have him in Buffalo now, I can tell you that much.”

 

Dorsey was indeed fired after a 12-4 year, but from a team which had been 11-5 his first year. He got better quickly but stopped there, and for that improvement, many credit Andy Reid, which may be pretty reasonable. They were good when he got there and that 12-4 year they also lost their first playoff game. And again, Dorsey seems to have frustrated many chiefs staffers by going with his gut so far as to ignore scouts input on guys (Kevin Hogan being the big reported example). And yeah, you can say that Dorsey traded for and drafted for Mahomes, but Reid was just as much in on that decision. Salary cap problems hurt Dorsey too.

 

And two months after picking Mahomes, that wasn't accepted as the brilliant move it now looks to have been.

 

 

 

As for "swinging for the fences by moving draft capital isn't the awful move it used to be ..." yeah, maybe the article speaks to that but the teams trading away #1s seem to be teams with legit Super Bowl shots that year. Although you can argue that with Minkah Fitzpatrick and the Steelers, I think they thought they could still be in it after Week 2. And they also tend to be getting young guys who will play for a while and tend to be under contract for a year or two more.

 

Which is why I think the people pushing for AJ Green and players like that are barking up the wrong tree.

 

We'll see.

 

As I say, though, interesting article. Made me think. Thanks for posting it.

 

Edited October 27, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

On 10/26/2019 at 4:04 AM, Ethan in Portland said:

He's not going anwhere....

But since you brought it up,

1. He created the cap mess with his trades/cuts

2. So far so good with Allen but still has a long way to prove his is a franchise QB

3. Oline is average but all in all the players he signed have done well. He cant be blamed for Incognito and Wood. But he continued his practice of overpaying for guys(see Star and Murphy) Morse is highest paid center in the league and he barely makes the top 10 in performance.  Feliciano is far better than I thought. Nsekhe is below average. Long is a waste of money. 

4. WR group is a mess but he had a significant hand in making. He traded away Watkins and traded for KB( a move I thought was good at the time). He made great signing in Brown. Beasley so far is ok. 

 

Don't agree with not picking up 5th year option on Lawson.  

 

Wallace is looking like a great find. Foster not so much anymore. Duke is TBD.

 

I am admittedly biased to win now mode. They will never have a better schedule, they are relatively healthy, and they have a chance for a deep playoff run in a weak AFC. I don't care about draft picks next year, I want a proven pass rusher and a player that can stretch the defense. 

 

 

 

Same old nonsense about Beane and the cap. The problem was already there before Beane was hired. Till they cut Tyrod they went into that season with around $20 mill in cap space, somewhere around 26th in the league. Beane didn't create the problem. Whaley did. It was already there. And it wasn't scheduled to get much better the next year. At the time they'd already committed a lot of money for that year too.

 

So that's crap. Now, did he by cutting and trading a ton of guys both accumulate enough draft picks to trade up for Josh Allen and at the same time clear up vast amounts of cap space for future years partly by eliminating guys and partly by moving money forward from future years and thereby stacking up a ton of dead cap space? Yup. But that wasn't creating the problem. It was solving a cap that was clogged by sewage for years forward by running a drain snake through things, dislodging stuff that was going to be there for years and accelerating the progress of some money forward into 2018. It was flat-out smart.

 

What he did was to go from 26th in the league in cap space to one of the teams with the most space and maneuverability. In a very short time. Despite the pain, it was worth it to scour out the clogged cap situation.

 

Star has been living up to his contract. Not that the fans who only look at stats have noticed. But McDermott knew what he was getting, he'd seen Star in practice and the locker room for years and he wanted him and was willing to pay that for a space eater. Excellent space eaters, the best few, get that kind of money without building up a ton of stats. Star's teammates through the years have thanked him over and over for making getting tackles much easier for them by doing what he does. There's some question whether he's had a regression this year. He might be playing at a lower level, though it's hard to tell without extensive film study. But the Bills have been happy ... they got what they expected. That you expected more is irrelevant.

 

The line is still gelling, which was to be expected. No way to know what they'll look like as they play together more but they're a ton better than last year despite not a one having ever played next to any of the guys they now do.

 

Perhaps your problem is indeed what you say it is, that you're "admittedly biased to win now mode." They've made it as clear as glacier melt water that they're about consistency. They've said it again and again ... they want to build a team that's competitive year after year. Which is the smart way to go about it. If you're a win now guy, perhaps you should pick another franchise to follow that subscribes to your plan. The Redskins, for example. The Cowboys. There are others.

[Rocket94]

18 hours ago, BILLSCRAZY3024 said:

Jesus! PLZ BEANE!!!!! Sign AJ already and let’s get this thing working! WTF are we doing? This is the thing about the BILLS. They always wait too damn long to make moves. PLEASE BEANE! Jump

on AJ and don't look back. Think about the future of our beloved team. He is a good player who needs a good team and coaching staff which we have. DO THE DEAL! WTF ARE WE WAITING FOR!!!!!  Also, we have to let TJ Yeldon go. He should of been released before Shady but what’s done is done. Yeldon has been a bust for us. Move on Beane. Get AJ and look at another RB in the draft. Singletary has it. Develop him. Ugh! This team frustrates me when they go on careful conservative mode! F THE PATRIOTS! Build  this team to be a killer and they will kill the Patsies. 

You're so close...... LETS GO BUFFALO!!!!! 
 

Feels good to get it out of your system.

[JAMIEBUF12]

Would ❤️To see him pry Von Miller from Denver or a Mike Evans from Tampa.Would love the big blockbuster trade instead of trading for older veteran rental players...GO BILLS!!!

[Bing Bong]

Beane should trade for a better GM?