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26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The highlighted is total nonsense...........fans can't get enough football.:doh:

 

The owners want it because they know the demand for more NFL product is immense and they are wasting an opportunity with their abbreviated 5 month season/postseason.

 

They are also battling for attention with a league like the NBA.......the NBA is growing in part because they allow the league's best players to change teams............the NFL doesn't want that.    They need to make their season longer and more compelling to continue their dominance over other forms of entertainment that compete for the same eyeballs and dollars.

 


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/15/the-fans-seem-to-want-to-stick-with-16-games/

 

The fans seem to want to stick with 16 games

Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2019, 12:00 AM EDT
 
 

With the sudden proliferation of stories about the NFL’s desire to expand the season to 18 games, we decided on Friday to get scientific. Or as close to scientific as social media allows.


A Twitter poll asked you, the reader, to vote on four options for the length of a season: 16 games, 17 games, 18 games, or 18 games with maximum player participation of 16.


More than 44,000 responded, and the initial returns nearly matched the final numbers. A whopping 62 percent of those who responded want to stick with 16 games.


Of the remaining 36 percent, most (24 percent) wanted 18 games. And nine percent opted for 18 games with the 16 per-player limit. Only five percent cast a vote for a 17-game season (which is my own personal preference).


The idea of playing 18 games with a limit of 16 per player has lingered for several years. The NFL reportedly has proposed the concept during labor negotiations with the NFL Players Association.


Many have criticized the concept, loudly. Fans don’t like it, the media doesn’t like it, players don’t like it. Packers CEO Mark Murphy spoke out against it.

 

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If Mike Florio says one thing I believe opposite despite what twits voted for.

 

I would not mind a longer season with more bye weeks with slightly larger roster and less preseason games and less restrictions by NFLPA on contact in practice.

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11 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

If Mike Florio says one thing I believe opposite despite what twits voted for.

 

I would not mind a longer season with more bye weeks with slightly larger roster and less preseason games and less restrictions by NFLPA on contact in practice.

 

SB in March would make it more equitable for northern teams to host outdoors

 

 

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This is the owners playing 3 d chess.  The 18 games, 16 player restriction is stupid.  However, the conversation begins from the NFLPA.  How much would the extra weeks provide in revenue? Boom, you are now negotiating a 18 game schedule. 

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18 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

This is the owners playing 3 d chess.  The 18 games, 16 player restriction is stupid.  However, the conversation begins from the NFLPA.  How much would the extra weeks provide in revenue? Boom, you are now negotiating a 18 game schedule. 

 

why not 24 games?

 

that would increase revenue even more

 

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22 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

SB in March would make it more equitable for northern teams to host outdoors

 

 

Northern teams will get short end of stick no matter what schedule the NFL uses and I think it should be accounted for in profit sharing.

 

And I believe season should start earlier in season rather than extend to March if you are removing preseason games which you could see gives Southern teams advantages with heat.

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Just have 2 or even 3 bye weeks. Take 2 preseason games away. The pieces are there to make it work. Also if you are up by a few scores in a game...you can take players out. I really don’t understand how the players won’t even listen to these proposals. You could add 2 by weeks. Give the league an extra 3 weeks of games basically. That’s a lot more money. And the players will end up with even more rest. It definitely can work. Don’t add silly game restrictions for players. That makes it ridiculous. Just give these guys 3 bye weeks. Then they never have to play more then 5 or 6 weeks straight.

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1 hour ago, Logic said:


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/15/the-fans-seem-to-want-to-stick-with-16-games/

 

The fans seem to want to stick with 16 games

Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2019, 12:00 AM EDT
 
 

With the sudden proliferation of stories about the NFL’s desire to expand the season to 18 games, we decided on Friday to get scientific. Or as close to scientific as social media allows.


A Twitter poll asked you, the reader, to vote on four options for the length of a season: 16 games, 17 games, 18 games, or 18 games with maximum player participation of 16.


More than 44,000 responded, and the initial returns nearly matched the final numbers. A whopping 62 percent of those who responded want to stick with 16 games.


Of the remaining 36 percent, most (24 percent) wanted 18 games. And nine percent opted for 18 games with the 16 per-player limit. Only five percent cast a vote for a 17-game season (which is my own personal preference).


The idea of playing 18 games with a limit of 16 per player has lingered for several years. The NFL reportedly has proposed the concept during labor negotiations with the NFL Players Association.


Many have criticized the concept, loudly. Fans don’t like it, the media doesn’t like it, players don’t like it. Packers CEO Mark Murphy spoke out against it.

 

 

 

What is clear is that you don't understand how marketing an addictive or impulse buy product works.

 

The amount people actually WANT is the amount that they will consume.

 

They will consume the sh*t out of 18 regular season games. 

 

24% of people who are self-aware enough to know that they WILL want to watch those games sounds about right.:lol:

 

 

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2 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

why not 24 games?

 

that would increase revenue even more

 

 

 

I can still remember hearing the old men b*tching about the NFL going from 14 to 16 games.

 

Ralph was forcing them to buy an extra game to keep their season tickets!

 

But I've been to hundreds of Bills games and never heard anyone complain that the season was too long.  

 

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3 hours ago, Logic said:


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/15/the-fans-seem-to-want-to-stick-with-16-games/

 

The fans seem to want to stick with 16 games

Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2019, 12:00 AM EDT
 
 

With the sudden proliferation of stories about the NFL’s desire to expand the season to 18 games, we decided on Friday to get scientific. Or as close to scientific as social media allows.


A Twitter poll asked you, the reader, to vote on four options for the length of a season: 16 games, 17 games, 18 games, or 18 games with maximum player participation of 16.


More than 44,000 responded, and the initial returns nearly matched the final numbers. A whopping 62 percent of those who responded want to stick with 16 games.


Of the remaining 36 percent, most (24 percent) wanted 18 games. And nine percent opted for 18 games with the 16 per-player limit. Only five percent cast a vote for a 17-game season (which is my own personal preference).


The idea of playing 18 games with a limit of 16 per player has lingered for several years. The NFL reportedly has proposed the concept during labor negotiations with the NFL Players Association.


Many have criticized the concept, loudly. Fans don’t like it, the media doesn’t like it, players don’t like it. Packers CEO Mark Murphy spoke out against it.

 

 

Just sit back and let him educate you.  He's a football genius.  And you know what else?  He's untouchable.  Just ask him about either and he'll tell ya!  You're dumb.  He's smart.  Just live with it.

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If it was up to me, I’d cut the pre-season down to 2 games, but add two playoff teams to each conference. Start the regular season two weeks earlier, and then when the playoffs come around each conference does 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5 bracket like NBA and NHL. 

14 playoff games, 7 in each conference, before the super bowl, as opposed to the current setup which has 5 games in each conference before the super bowl.

 

Adding 4 playoff games would significantly increase the appeal of TV deals, as well as give fan bases around the league more hope in their teams ability to 1) make the playoffs and 2) actually contend for a title.

 

Personally the bye-week in the playoffs has always been too heavy an advantage for the teams that get it. And I understand they won more games, but sometimes a team that comes 2nd in a division can have the same record as the 2nd place team in the conference, but because the one team won its division it receives a bye week as well as home field advantage. To me that’s too large of a benefit to give a team in the playoffs. 

 

This would help revenue, and players wouldn’t be against it because it would make the road for everyone to a championship more accessible along with getting rid of useless preseason games in exchange for meaningful playoff games. 

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On 7/12/2019 at 2:52 PM, Mister Defense said:

Yup, dumb; pure greed from some of the richest men in the country. 

Pure greed is how some of the richest men in the country got that way.

 

These aren't the sort of people to be content with what they have.  They are kind of programmed by nature to want it all.

 

 

PS:  I have no idea why fans would not want more games in the season!  It would make for a longer season with more football.

 

More regular season games would also probably mean fewer pre-season games, which most fans would want as well.

 

The people opposed to this are, and should be, athletes.  Ideally, they would want many years of a career, with few games played per year.  Not fewer seasons with tons of games, seeing as they are paid annually, not by the game.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Just have 2 or even 3 bye weeks. Take 2 preseason games away. The pieces are there to make it work. Also if you are up by a few scores in a game...you can take players out. I really don’t understand how the players won’t even listen to these proposals. You could add 2 by weeks. Give the league an extra 3 weeks of games basically. That’s a lot more money. And the players will end up with even more rest. It definitely can work. Don’t add silly game restrictions for players. That makes it ridiculous. Just give these guys 3 bye weeks. Then they never have to play more then 5 or 6 weeks straight.

How do you know they're not listening? Maybe they are negotiating

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The best idea I've heard floated was a 17 game season where the extra game is played on a neutral site.

 

Would give the NFL 16 games to schedule in other locations like England, Germany, Mexico... and even cities in the US like San Antonio or maybe throw a bone to somewhere like St Louis and San Diego.

 

The NFL still gets their growing the game events and no one has to give up a home game to achieve it.

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16 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I can still remember hearing the old men b*tching about the NFL going from 14 to 16 games.

 

Ralph was forcing them to buy an extra game to keep their season tickets!

 

But I've been to hundreds of Bills games and never heard anyone complain that the season was too long.  

 

 

I don't remember that.  Ralph wasn't making them pay for an extra game, since they took away a preseason game, and those were at the same price.

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41 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

I don't remember that.  Ralph wasn't making them pay for an extra game, since they took away a preseason game, and those were at the same price.

 

That's how I remember it too and there weren't that many season ticket holders.   People like to B word about the cost and theorize about Ralph's scheming whether it made sense or not.   NFL fans may say they resent the greed of the league but they keep lapping it up.   Guess what the highest rated tv broadcasts/programs in summer in WNY are?  90,000 DirecTV households blacked out of the WIVB feed(per TBN) in a network dispute last week and yet the ratings for the Bills/Detroit game was about 6x that of the next highest rated program.  Maybe PFT should poll NFL fans to see if they want more preseason games?   The ratings would have to prove that fans are in favor, no?:lol:

 

Anybody who thinks 18 games aren't going to AT MINIMUM proportionately increase NFL revenue(thereby proving that demand meets supply) is a complete fiscal dope.   Especially if the longer season pushes games into the programming dead zone of February and early March.    The likelihood is that adding games and extending the regular season a month(with extra byes) to 5 months will add more like 25% or more income.  Which is an astronomical sum being left on the table. 

 

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32 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

If the programming extended into early March, it would JUST be enough to get to March Madness.  And that would be enough to get us to Spring.  I'm in.

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If the NFL goes to an 18 game schedule my days as a dedicated fan will probably start ot fade. I'm already paying less and less attention to the league the last few years. 

 

Getting tired of the grow the revenues at any and all cost mentality.... I have yet to hear 1 single idea in this regard that makes any sense to me. 

13 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Pure greed is how some of the richest men in the country got that way.

 

These aren't the sort of people to be content with what they have.  They are kind of programmed by nature to want it all.

 

 

PS:  I have no idea why fans would not want more games in the season!  It would make for a longer season with more football.

 

More regular season games would also probably mean fewer pre-season games, which most fans would want as well.

 

The people opposed to this are, and should be, athletes.  Ideally, they would want many years of a career, with few games played per year.  Not fewer seasons with tons of games, seeing as they are paid annually, not by the game.

 

 

 

pure greed , and being rich, does not equate to what is right IMO. in fact I shake my head at that thought process, but then again I do not understand greed so I can't identify at all.

 

Not me. I'm growing tired of the constant changes to the sport and this overly obsessive need to keep growing revenue. Yeah that's the capitalistic way, but I'm exhausted by it. I don't want less preseason games I just want to be able to watch the ones that are being played for cheap, not a $99 gamepass BS. I don't want more NFL games I'm very content with a 16 game schedule, and I sure as hell never want to have any of my top players forced to sit 2 games a year so they only play the 16 a year.

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1 hour ago, Whites Bay said:

 

If the programming extended into early March, it would JUST be enough to get to March Madness.  And that would be enough to get us to Spring.  I'm in.

 

👍  

 

You are part of the 24% who already KNOW they'll watch and enjoy it of the 99%+ who WILL watch and enjoy it.:lol:

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Limeaid said:

If Mike Florio says one thing I believe opposite despite what twits voted for.

 

I would not mind a longer season with more bye weeks with slightly larger roster and less preseason games and less restrictions by NFLPA on contact in practice.

 

...maybe LaCanfora is his primary source?...just askin'............

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1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

If the NFL goes to an 18 game schedule my days as a dedicated fan will probably start ot fade. I'm already paying less and less attention to the league the last few years. 

 

Getting tired of the grow the revenues at any and all cost mentality.... I have yet to hear 1 single idea in this regard that makes any sense to me. 

 

pure greed , and being rich, does not equate to what is right IMO. in fact I shake my head at that thought process, but then again I do not understand greed so I can't identify at all.

 

Not me. I'm growing tired of the constant changes to the sport and this overly obsessive need to keep growing revenue. Yeah that's the capitalistic way, but I'm exhausted by it. I don't want less preseason games I just want to be able to watch the ones that are being played for cheap, not a $99 gamepass BS. I don't want more NFL games I'm very content with a 16 game schedule, and I sure as hell never want to have any of my top players forced to sit 2 games a year so they only play the 16 a year.

My point is that more games simply means more football, which your average fan wants IMO.

 

The reason why people contribute at this forum, for example, in the height of the off-season, is because they want more football and can't take it!  They want to be involved with the sport any way they can.  It's also why fans watch these meaningless pre-season games, myself included. 

 

I would love to have the real season start a week earlier and end a week later than normal.  More football.

 

I understand being annoyed by the greed of the owners and the constant desire to grow/change the game, but that is a rather abstract philosophical point, whereas a few more football games just means 2 more Sundays a year I get to excited about Bills football.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Whites Bay said:

 

If the programming extended into early March, it would JUST be enough to get to March Madness.  And that would be enough to get us to Spring.  I'm in.

 

I’m sure they’d be smart enough to go head to head with March Madness. Even I would be torn then unless the Bills were on.  I LOVE March Madness! I’m not alone there! 

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Posted (edited)
On 7/12/2019 at 2:53 PM, nucci said:

How do you force a team to play it's backup QB?

 

 

This is a stupid idea. What if you miss out of the playoffs or home field because of the one loss sustained when your backup QB played. The only way this would work is if your last game didn't mean anything. It would be interesting to see how some coaches would strategize this idea though. Do you play your backup week one, against your worst opponent or when your season is decided. I still don't wanna see this happen.

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So what happens with specialty players like kickers, punters, long snappers, etc? Are teams gonna have to carry two of each? Also, this scenario. Week 18. Barkley is in, and Allen is benched. Barkley gets hurt. You're telling me that Allen can't go in there, and we're stuck with Tyree Jackson? (Not a knock on Jackson, just a hypothetical scenario.)

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One thing I think would be cool if they did add a week, is do what MLB did with interleague, and create inter-conference rivalries. Jets/Giants Ravens/Redskins 49ers/Raiders Rams/Chargers Texans/Cowboys etc. Living in Houston, Texans fans try too hard to have a rivalry with the Cowboys. But if they got rid of the annual preseason game against them, and turned it into a legitimate game every season, it might just happen. Crazy that we have two stadiums shared by teams that only play each other once every four years.

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