Rocket94 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) As a long time Met fan I have seen it all through the years. Last week I attended the Mets and,Cubs game at Wrigley...that is the last game that they won correct? Alonso, Degrom, Wheeler, Conforto and Mcneil comprise a good young nucleus. Lets clean house and build around these guys...can we concede that this current formula is not working! Do the Mets ever know what they are doing? Edited July 30, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 As you said the nucleus is solid. A good rebuild wouldn't start with the players though. Have the Wilpons sell the team and take Brodie with them. Callaway- nice guy but he needs to ultimately go as well. Then we're talking. I man can dream can't he 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 My guess is Thor is still in the circle of trust and Wheeler will probably be moved in the next month. I'd be fine if they signed Wheeler to a 3-4 year deal before he hits free agency, I just don't see that happening. The first big problem with the rebuild is the boat anchor contract at second base. The second is the boat anchor contract riding horses on the DL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Gut the bullpen. Maybe somehow the Mets brass can be convinced to bat Cano 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 A lot of chatter about trading Thor today. For the life of me I'm not sure why you give up on him with two years of control left. Unless you know something. Arm issues are one possibility, but Syndegaard was a Brodie client. Maybe Brodie knows that he'll never re-sign with the Mets for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 15 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: A lot of chatter about trading Thor today. For the life of me I'm not sure why you give up on him with two years of control left. Unless you know something. Arm issues are one possibility, but Syndegaard was a Brodie client. Maybe Brodie knows that he'll never re-sign with the Mets for whatever reason. If we gave up on Thor this early, and probably wouldn't get appropriate compensation for that arm. He'd probably turn into Nolan Ryan with our luck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 20 hours ago, Captain Murica said: If we gave up on Thor this early, and probably wouldn't get appropriate compensation for that arm. He'd probably turn into Nolan Ryan with our luck One rumor making the rounds is a three way deal with the Padres getting Thor and the Mets getting Marcus Stroman. This makes no sense to me: Thor/Stroman career stats: Age: 26/28 Years of Control Left: 1/2 ERA: 3.21/3.76 WHIP: 1.158/1.278 Games Started: 106/129 IP: 645/789 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: One rumor making the rounds is a three way deal with the Padres getting Thor and the Mets getting Marcus Stroman. This makes no sense to me: Thor/Stroman career stats: Age: 26/28 Years of Control Left: 1/2 ERA: 3.21/3.76 WHIP: 1.158/1.278 Games Started: 106/129 IP: 645/789 None what so ever. Unless, they're trying to make half of the rotation all Long Island boys. With Matz, Kay, and Stroman . There is rumors floating around that the Jays would take Diaz In a trade then flip him for prospects from the Braves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I've been hearing rumors the team is open to trading Diaz. Not against it. Is it beyond the realm to think maybe Wheeler or even Matz can be the closer? Hear me out, do you remember Rick Aguilera at all? He was pretty much the forgotten about starter on the 1986 Mets. As it turns out he got traded to Minnesota and then became a dominant World Series winning closer for the Twins. I'd make the case he probably had the most successful career of the 86' starters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) On 6/29/2019 at 5:58 PM, Another Fan said: As you said the nucleus is solid. A good rebuild wouldn't start with the players though. Have the Wilpons sell the team and take Brodie with them. Callaway- nice guy but he needs to ultimately go as well. Then we're talking. I man can dream can't he I have to agree. As long as the Wilpons (coupons) own the Mets we can expect their cheapness and yes men gm's that that they hire. The Cano/Diaz "Block buster" destroyed the team. As you know, Thor and Wheeler are potentially on the trade block. If they do trade them, leave it to the Mets to get ripped off or do something stupid. Edited July 28, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SinceThe70s said: One rumor making the rounds is a three way deal with the Padres getting Thor and the Mets getting Marcus Stroman. This makes no sense to me: Thor/Stroman career stats: Age: 26/28 Years of Control Left: 1/2 ERA: 3.21/3.76 WHIP: 1.158/1.278 Games Started: 106/129 IP: 645/789 Now this is something dumb that we can expect from Jeff Wilpon and Brodie Edited July 28, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 Wonderful. Mike Vrabel approached a beat writer wearing a Mets cap and asked him if the Mets are still playing baseball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Another Fan said: I've been hearing rumors the team is open to trading Diaz. Not against it. Is it beyond the realm to think maybe Wheeler or even Matz can be the closer? Hear me out, do you remember Rick Aguilera at all? He was pretty much the forgotten about starter on the 1986 Mets. As it turns out he got traded to Minnesota and then became a dominant World Series winning closer for the Twins. I'd make the case he probably had the most successful career of the 86' starters. Yes...I remember Rick Aguilera...one heck of a pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Another Fan said: I've been hearing rumors the team is open to trading Diaz. Not against it. Is it beyond the realm to think maybe Wheeler or even Matz can be the closer? Hear me out, do you remember Rick Aguilera at all? He was pretty much the forgotten about starter on the 1986 Mets. As it turns out he got traded to Minnesota and then became a dominant World Series winning closer for the Twins. I'd make the case he probably had the most successful career of the 86' starters. Matz doesn't have the temperament to be a closer. I've seen too many times where something doesn't go his way and he folds like a cheap suit. With that said I was fortunate enough to be in attendance yesterday and what a performance by Matz. And to cap it off we came home with Mr. Met On The Moon bobbleheads! Wheeler is built to be a starting pitcher. If he can avoid more injuries I think he'll be a solid and once in awhile spectacular starter for the next few years, probably no more than 4 or 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Captain Murica said: None what so ever. Unless, they're trying to make half of the rotation all Long Island boys. With Matz, Kay, and Stroman . There is rumors floating around that the Jays would take Diaz In a trade then flip him for prospects from the Braves. Didn't see that one coming. Brodie seems to have little regard for prospects in the Mets system who aren't major league ready. @row_33: how should Mets fans feel about Stroman? Edited July 29, 2019 by SinceThe70s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 Well they did it...half the rotation is indeed Long Island boys. What does Stroman represent at this point? I suppose in a vacuum this is a good trade. The Mets didn't really give up too much. Now Thor is probably gone soon for prospects, or what is Brodie now saying...he wants major league players in return? 10 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Didn't see that one coming. Brodie seems to have little regard for prospects in the Mets system who aren't major league ready. I thought it was just a usual rumor...but not surprised. I hope they get good prospects for Thor if he is gone. Kyle Tucker from the Astros would be good, or Minnesota has Royce Lewis and Kiriloff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: WDoeell they did it...half the rotation is indeed Long Island boys. What does Stroman represent at this point? I suppose in a vacuum this is a good trade. The Mets didn't really give up too much. Now Thor is probably gone soon for prospects, or what is Brodie now saying...he wants major league players in return? I thought it was just a usual rumor...but not surprised. I hope they get good prospects for Thor if he is gone. Kyle Tucker from the Astros would be good, or Minnesota has Royce Lewis and Kiriloff. Doesn't necessarily mean Thor is gone. With Kay out of the picture Wheeler might be the next guy voted off Mets Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Doesn't necessarily mean Thor is gone. With Kay out of the picture Wheeler might be the next guy voted off Mets Island. I hope not...they better get a haul if he is. In a way, the Mets have hijacked the starting pitching market. Now The value of Thor and Wheeler may have gone up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 22 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I hope not...they better get a haul if he is. In a way, the Mets have hijacked the starting pitching market. Now The value of Thor and Wheeler may have gone up! True, but Brodie has eviscerated the farm system and brought in a win-now starter. If he's elevated Wheeler's value, great. Until I see what comes back, moving Thor still makes no sense to me. On the other hand, a top 4 of DeGrom/Thor/Stroman/Matz looks pretty good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 minute ago, SinceThe70s said: True, but Brodie has eviscerated the farm system and brought in a win-now starter. If he's elevated Wheeler's value, great. Until I see what comes back, moving Thor still makes no sense to me. On the other hand, a top 4 of DeGrom/Thor/Stroman/Matz looks pretty good to me. I want Thor to stay. Yes, Brodie has decimated the farm system and he openly boasts that there will be no total rebuild. Next few days are going to be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 BVW = Been Very Wrong 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 20 hours ago, Rocket94 said: I want Thor to stay. Yes, Brodie has decimated the farm system and he openly boasts that there will be no total rebuild. Next few days are going to be interesting. The thing that would surprise me most would be if he does nothing. Then again he's a talk the talk not walk the walk kind of a guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, Another Fan said: The thing that would surprise me most would be if he does nothing. Then again he's a talk the talk not walk the walk kind of a guy Ha! We never know what the Mets will do...I don't think they do either. The trade for Stroman has to mean something. While he is a stud pitcher, he is no Thor. I would not be surprised if Thor once again remains...but the Mets can cash in on Diaz and Wheeler. Now I find myself checking my phone periodically! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Ha! We never know what the Mets will do...I don't think they do either. The trade for Stroman has to mean something. While he is a stud pitcher, he is no Thor. I would not be surprised if Thor once again remains...but the Mets can cash in on Diaz and Wheeler. Now I find myself checking my phone periodically! Phillies just got Vargas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Another Fan said: Phillies just got Vargas Thanks...I know. You noticed that I didn't mention it. Vargas was history anyway...he was nearly dumped a few months ago before his resurgence. Question is that if the Mets are confident in a run this year, why trade a starter to a division rival? It appears that the Mets have convinced themselves that they can contend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 17 hours ago, Golden Goat said: BVW = Been Very Wrong I can't wait to see the result of his next epiphany! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) On 7/26/2019 at 10:51 PM, SinceThe70s said: A lot of chatter about trading Thor today. For the life of me I'm not sure why you give up on him with two years of control left. Unless you know something. Arm issues are one possibility, but Syndegaard was a Brodie client. Maybe Brodie knows that he'll never re-sign with the Mets for whatever reason. Another theory is that the Wilpon's Don't care for Thor and his personality. Thor is a better pitcher than Stroman...so something is up or maybe they will do a very un Wilpon thing, keep him and further build the team. Edited July 30, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 11 hours ago, Rocket94 said: Another theory is that the Wilpon's Don't care for Thor and his personality. Thor is a better pitcher than Stroman...so something is up or maybe they will do a very un Wilpon thing, keep him and further build the team. Could be, he's no shrinking violet and for example was critical of the trip to Syracuse before the season started. Not the best way to ingratiate yourself with the boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 Either way, losing Thor is not good. Kyle Tucker would be a great fit in the Mets line up...Rosario may go to CF. Its easy to pick on the Wilpons...Thor is just telling it like it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Santana has been pulled from his start tonight with syracuse. Padres,Astros with most interest.. A's wanted a deal..close.. but we asked for too much. Per MLBN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said: Santana has been pulled from his start tonight with syracuse. Padres,Astros with most interest.. A's wanted a deal..close.. but we asked for too much. Per MLBN Thor's scheduled to go tonight, Wheeler on Thursday. If it's related I hope it's to Wheeler. But after seeing what we gave up for Stroman and knowing that Wheeler is strictly a rental I wouldn't expect the Mets to get much for him. So right now if they trade a pitcher I hope it's Diaz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Thor's scheduled to go tonight, Wheeler on Thursday. If it's related I hope it's to Wheeler. But after seeing what we gave up for Stroman and knowing that Wheeler is strictly a rental I wouldn't expect the Mets to get much for him. So right now if they trade a pitcher I hope it's Diaz Oakland left a deal on the table. For the suit to rid of Diaz would make him look like a failure..he's too cocky to bite failure right now. If you look deep,he can find a way to work with Wheeler..the big numbers with Frazier will be elliminated,that cuts 8 million off payroll off the bat. Bottom line..we need a sweep in Chi-town. It ain't over. Let's Go Mets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: Oakland left a deal on the table. For the suit to rid of Diaz would make him look like a failure..he's too cocky to bite failure right now. If you look deep,he can find a way to work with Wheeler..the big numbers with Frazier will be elliminated,that cuts 8 million off payroll off the bat. Bottom line..we need a sweep in Chi-town. It ain't over. Let's Go Mets. I think he may be dangling Thor and Diaz in the hopes that someone will offer something stupid. If so, nothing wrong with that. I also heard a radio call-in today that's worth sharing. Maybe from a no-nothing psycho and I'm paraphrasing the stats which for all I know were fabricated so read this with skepticism. The claim was that last year Thor and Diaz threw sliders in the strike zone around 30% of the time, this year 45%. The speculation being they don't trust Ramos behind the plate. Regardless, I've never been a fan of giving up on the season if there' s a glimmer of hope. A rotation of DeGrom, Thor, Stroman, Wheeler, Matz would look formidable if the bullpen wasn't so God-awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: I think he may be dangling Thor and Diaz in the hopes that someone will offer something stupid. If so, nothing wrong with that. I also heard a radio call-in today that's worth sharing. Maybe from a no-nothing psycho and I'm paraphrasing the stats which for all I know were fabricated so read this with skepticism. The claim was that last year Thor and Diaz threw sliders in the strike zone around 30% of the time, this year 45%. The speculation being they don't trust Ramos behind the plate. Regardless, I've never been a fan of giving up on the season if there' s a glimmer of hope. A rotation of DeGrom, Thor, Stroman, Wheeler, Matz would look formidable if the bullpen wasn't so God-awful. If only Diaz wouldn't throw hanging sliders. Nice game tonight (so far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: If only Diaz wouldn't throw hanging sliders. Nice game tonight (so far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Razor sharp dp there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 Another blown save by Diaz. Walks, Hbp etc! Brodie and the Wilpons are delusional to believe they can contend. A brilliant effort by Thor wasted. On a good team he is a 20 game winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Another blown save by Diaz. Walks, Hbp etc! Brodie and the Wilpons are delusional to believe they can contend. A brilliant effort by Thor wasted. On a good team he is a 20 game winner. Not being snarky, but what do you want to happen by 4 PM tomorrow? Scorched earth? Thor, Wheeler, Diaz gone? Maybe Lugo and Gsellman too? What's the plan for next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Two of the top starters (Stroman, Bauer) on the market go to teams below .500 and one of them to a team that has two others that might be moved (Thor, Wheeler). It's amazing the elimination of waiver trades has had already. Can't wait to see how tomorrow plays out for the Mets and others 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: Not being snarky, but what do you want to happen by 4 PM tomorrow? Scorched earth? Thor, Wheeler, Diaz gone? Maybe Lugo and Gsellman too? What's the plan for next year? Wish I knew what the plan is. Perhaps get what we can for Wheeler. As for Diaz, if we can't move him for value, them work with him to return to form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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