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10 hours ago, Greybeard said:

       You were referring to Gilbert Perreault, weren't you?

Oh.  Didn't catch it. 

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The attached link is an update on Dylan Cozens's health status. It was written by Adam Kimelman of NHL.com. This link came from the hockey side of TBD. It indicates that Cozens and goalie Luukkonen are on schedule to healing after their surgeries. Cozens will probably be sent back to the juniors with a chance that he could do a short stint with the Sabres before been sent back down. Luukkonen will probably end up in Rochester. 

 

https://www.nhl.com/news/buffalo-sabres-dylan-cozens-status/c-308652730

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16 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Hunwick our for the season. 

too funny..you know JBotts just said listen dude..you ain't seeing the ice this year..go LTIR..you get paid for sittin at home, we get cap relief..good for everyone!

 

 

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1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

too funny..you know JBotts just said listen dude..you ain't seeing the ice this year..go LTIR..you get paid for sittin at home, we get cap relief..good for everyone!

 

 

 

Jokes aside, there's a bit more to it than that.  At this stage in his career, it may very well be a forced retirement.  Even for roster fodder like Hunwick, any organization would be smart to handle it as professionally as possible.

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1 hour ago, shrader said:

 

Jokes aside, there's a bit more to it than that.  At this stage in his career, it may very well be a forced retirement.  Even for roster fodder like Hunwick, any organization would be smart to handle it as professionally as possible.

Whether he is healthy or not there is not much of a role for him on this team. Last year he was out for a large portion of the season due to a neck injury. He still is plagued with a neck injury. At this stage of his fading career the consideration of his long-term health and well-being should be more of a priority for him than squeezing another year in the league. There is no question that because of the cap implication the team benefits more from his departure than his presence. But for the player's interest it is better that he retires (forced or not) and live a more post game pain free life. 

https://apnews.com/f1a331cd0f664ab9870b00fa6f8e8636?view=getnewpost

 

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Not sabres related, but... 

 

 

Itll be interesting to see how this Marner situation plays out and to see who caves first.

 

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Because of the bottleneck with the RFAs maybe the best approach to dealing with Risto is keep him and try to restore his game. With more structure and less ice time his game may become more efficient and smarter. If he plays well his value goes up if the organization decides to deal him at a later time. 

 

As it stands this organization is assembling a very good defensive corps. Not only will we have a high quality top two pairing but we can put together a unit with a lot of depth with the eventual return of Pilut and Bogo from injuries. 

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Palmieri, Bratt and a 1st round pick for Laine.

 

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hey @BillsFan4

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tll be interesting to see how this Marner situation plays out and to see who caves first.

 

heard PHam for a few minutes the other day. He essentially said the Leafs need to LTIR someone( sorry dont remember the name) and that cannot happen till the first day of the regular season, so Marner really cannot be officially signed till then. So this RFA logjam could be this way even at the start of the season.

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8 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Good news! 

This shouldn't be surprising. The players have guaranteed contracts and the cap is predicated on league revenue. The teams and players are mutually invested in growing the business side of the sport. There are always issues that engender conflict between labor and management. The most important issue is money. And both sides have a stake in the success of the business. The one issue that the league will eventually have to address is the length of the contracts. I'm sure that after some push/pull they will come to an accord that both sides can live with. 

 

In every pro sport the dynamic seems to be the same i.e. the stars get the big money and the rest is divvied up.  

 

 

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43 minutes ago, JohnC said:

This shouldn't be surprising. The players have guaranteed contracts and the cap is predicated on league revenue. The teams and players are mutually invested in growing the business side of the sport. There are always issues that engender conflict between labor and management. The most important issue is money. And both sides have a stake in the success of the business. The one issue that the league will eventually have to address is the length of the contracts. I'm sure that after some push/pull they will come to an accord that both sides can live with. 

 

In every pro sport the dynamic seems to be the same i.e. the stars get the big money and the rest is divvied up.  

 

 

 

Im not surprised the NHL didn’t opt out, but the good news was that it sounds like the players may not opt out either. 

 

NHL CBA talks don’t have the best reputation for going smoothly. 

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1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

Im not surprised the NHL didn’t opt out, but the good news was that it sounds like the players may not opt out either. 

 

NHL CBA talks don’t have the best reputation for going smoothly. 

If I recall correctly the last time there was a major lockout that laid to waste a good portion of the season the owners stood firm and forced the union to accept a cap system that brought more cost certainty to teams. It allowed small market teams to compete with the richer big markets. Looking back it benefited the owners and also the players. Shortly after the financial restructuring of the league the Sabres were competing with the best teams for Stanley Cup. 

 

In the Sabres recent history it has gone through three owners in Rigas, Golasano and Pegula. Without a doubt there were some financial challenges that this franchise has gone through. But anyone who critically evaluates this franchise and its recent history of extended mediocrity has to admit that an accumulation of bad decisions by the hockey brain trust has repeatedly set this franchise back and made the road to success a longer journey than it should have been. I believe we are on the right track (although many people understandably don't). In my mind we are still a couple of years away from being a serious team. 

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The below link is an article that Mike Harrington wrote for the Buffalo News. The core of the article is that Botterill and his staff are copying the Pittsburgh model in building a franchise. The emphasis is on drafting and developing young players in your system. It is not a quick process but it is the best approach for sustained success. 

 

If you examine the deals that Botterill made to add to the talent base (Montour, Miller, Johansson, Vesey, Jokiharju) he didn't give up much or mortgage the future for the present. The talent base is clearly expanding. It is still going to take more time to become a serious team. 

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/09/01/buffalo-sabres-nhl-prospects-challenge-randy-sexton-dylan-cozens-ukko-pekka-luukkonen-will-borgen-analysis-2019/

 

The below link is a mailbag response by Lance Lysowski of the Buffalo News. 

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/08/29/buffalo-sabres-victor-olofsson-rasmus-asplund-rasmus-ristolainen-dylan-cozens-will-borgen-nhl-analysis-2019/?view=getnewpost

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On 8/31/2019 at 4:29 PM, JohnC said:

If I recall correctly the last time there was a major lockout that laid to waste a good portion of the season the owners stood firm and forced the union to accept a cap system that brought more cost certainty to teams. It allowed small market teams to compete with the richer big markets. Looking back it benefited the owners and also the players. Shortly after the financial restructuring of the league the Sabres were competing with the best teams for Stanley Cup. 

 

In the Sabres recent history it has gone through three owners in Rigas, Golasano and Pegula. Without a doubt there were some financial challenges that this franchise has gone through. But anyone who critically evaluates this franchise and its recent history of extended mediocrity has to admit that an accumulation of bad decisions by the hockey brain trust has repeatedly set this franchise back and made the road to success a longer journey than it should have been. I believe we are on the right track (although many people understandably don't). In my mind we are still a couple of years away from being a serious team. 

There have been 4 NHL lockouts since 1992. The most recent was 2012 when they missed 48 games (1/2 the season).

 

You are thinking of the 2004 lockout where they cancelled the entire season. They did a drawing for the top spot I; the draft that year. Sidney Crosby was the prize and the Sabres were one of 4 teams with the best odds to draft him (i can’t remember exactly how they calculated it). 

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Dom Luszczyszyn (at the Athletic. Sub. Required) released his NHL win probabilities for this year and his computer model isn’t too favoring toward the Sabres. 

 

https://theathletic.com/1166232/2019/09/02/luszczyszyn-2019-20-nhl-season-previews/   (all NHL teams)

 

31. Ottawa

30. Detroit

29. LA

28. Buffalo

27. Edmonton 

 

His computer program has the Sabres as the 4th worst team in the NHL this year. 

 

https://theathletic.com/1166711/2019/08/31/2019-20-nhl-season-preview-buffalo-sabres/   (Buffalo Sabres season preview) 

 

This part art was painful to read and hammers home just how bad the Sabres have been in recent years -

 

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Is there ever going to be a light at the end of the dark tunnel in Buffalo? The Sabres have missed the playoffs in eight straight seasons and in that time frame have won just 230 of their 622 games — 23 fewer than Edmonton, the next worst team. In that span, Buffalo has finished 19th, 23rd, 30th, 30th, 23rd, 26th, 31st and 27th. That’s seven straight seasons in the league’s bottom third and five of the last six seasons in which the team finished in the league’s bottom five.

 

On both accounts, the Sabres are in a league of their own. Not a single other team shares their standings pain. In fact, that miserable run transcends the NHL. No team in the NBA, the NFL or MLB has shared the same level of consistent futility as the Sabres have shown over the last seven seasons. (The New York Knicks were the closest with five straight seasons in the bottom 10, with the previous two landing just outside, while the Phoenix Suns have been in the bottom five in four straight seasons, but lack the longevity.) It’s that bad in Buffalo.

 

Depressing... lol. 

 

It’s a very long article, but here’s a general summary -

 

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For Buffalo, it looks like another bottom-five finish as the Sabres land there in 48 percent of simulations. The bottom 10 streak doesn’t look likely to end either with a 77 percent chance of finishing there. The 80-point projection is a small improvement over last year, but at this point, that’s not good enough. Buffalo should have significantly more to show after a lengthy playoff absence.

 

The playoffs are not an impossibility. Just two seasons ago, the Devils made it with a worse chance (4 percent, according to this model) than the one the Sabres have, but as we saw last year, that run was mostly an anomaly..... (cont.)

 

Here’s one of many attached charts - 94% chance at missing the playoffs.

 

If you read the entire article Its not as bad as it first looks. He said in 30% of his models the Sabres earn over 85pts and make a nice improvement over last year. He also said the Sabres had a really nice offseason, and have a real nice core starting to take shape but their depth is severely lacking still. He says we have the 4th worst ranked bottom 6 in the NHL (by added wins) which he said shows just how big a hole Buffalo is trying to dig out of. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Dom Luszczyszyn (at the Athletic. Sub. Required) released his NHL win probabilities for this year and his computer model isn’t too favoring toward the Sabres. 

 

https://theathletic.com/1166232/2019/09/02/luszczyszyn-2019-20-nhl-season-previews/   (all NHL teams)

 

31. Ottawa

30. Detroit

29. LA

28. Buffalo

27. Edmonton 

 

His computer program has the Sabres as the 4th worst team in the NHL this year. 

 

https://theathletic.com/1166711/2019/08/31/2019-20-nhl-season-preview-buffalo-sabres/   (Buffalo Sabres season preview) 

 

This part art was painful to read and hammers home just how bad the Sabres have been in recent years -

 

 

Depressing... lol. 

 

It’s a very long article, but here’s a general summary -

 

 

Here’s one of many attached charts - 94% chance at missing the playoffs.

 

If you read the entire article Its not as bad as it first looks. He said in 30% of his models the Sabres earn over 85pts and make a nice improvement over last year. He also said the Sabres had a really nice offseason, and have a real nice core starting to take shape but their depth is severely lacking still. He says we have the 4th worst ranked bottom 6 in the NHL (by added wins) which he said shows just how big a hole Buffalo is trying to dig out of. 

 

 

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Look at the young players on the roster and the players in the system who are almost ready. Add in the factor that there is a number of players who are playing on the last year of their expiring contracts. So there will be money to add talent and keep talent the following year. Using the past history to make a judgment/calculation is futile. Many of the players involved in the wretched past have been cleansed out. Will young players such as Mitts, Dahlin, Tage, Oldafsson, Pilut, Cozens etc. be better this season? Probably so. And in two years those physically maturing players will be even better than in the prior year.

 

The trajectory is upward. Our GM is not mortgaging the future for short term success that gets you nowhere. Let's not forget that Edmonton traded MVP Taylor Hall for an above average defenseman. And they brought in Lucic and gave him a franchise draining contract. In order to unload him this offseason they had to pay a portion of his salary to Calgary for them to take him off their hands. Edmonton got a short term bump in a season but in the long run it damaged and set the franchise back. They ended up missing the playoffs for two consecutive years after that one year bump.  The GM who made those expedient moves ended up being fired for his short term vision. Our GM is looking at the bigger picture. And despite the wailing of the impatient I agree with the course that the GM is following. Stay the course!   

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As the old saying goes, that’s why they play the games. 

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5 hours ago, JohnC said:

Look at the young players on the roster and the players in the system who are almost ready. Add in the factor that there is a number of players who are playing on the last year of their expiring contracts. So there will be money to add talent and keep talent the following year. Using the past history to make a judgment/calculation is futile. Many of the players involved in the wretched past have been cleansed out. Will young players such as Mitts, Dahlin, Tage, Oldafsson, Pilut, Cozens etc. be better this season? Probably so. And in two years those physically maturing players will be even better than in the prior year.

 

The trajectory is upward. Our GM is not mortgaging the future for short term success that gets you nowhere. Let's not forget that Edmonton traded MVP Taylor Hall for an above average defenseman. And they brought in Lucic and gave him a franchise draining contract. In order to unload him this offseason they had to pay a portion of his salary to Calgary for them to take him off their hands. Edmonton got a short term bump in a season but in the long run it damaged and set the franchise back. They ended up missing the playoffs for two consecutive years after that one year bump.  The GM who made those expedient moves ended up being fired for his short term vision. Our GM is looking at the bigger picture. And despite the wailing of the impatient I agree with the course that the GM is following. Stay the course!   

The trajectory is upward?  Serious question: wouldn't it be impossible to be downward given the article documents them as the worst team in any sport?

 

 

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15 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

The trajectory is upward?  Serious question: wouldn't it be impossible to be downward given the article documents them as the worst team in any sport?

 

 

I anted to give this the "most awesomest post ever" notification, but alas there was none there.

 

 

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The attached link is a column written by WGR's Paul Hamilton. The Sabres will be better this year because of the added talent and internal improvement. They will be even better next year. That's the process whether you like it or not. 

 

The Sabres earned 62 points two years ago. Last year they earned 76 points. This year my guess is that they will earn between 86 to 88 points. Even for those discordant members who have an up is down perspective that is an upward trajectory 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/sabres-okposo-impressed-ralph-krueger

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4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The attached link is a column written by WGR's Paul Hamilton. The Sabres will be better this year because of the added talent and internal improvement. They will be even better next year. That's the process whether you like it or not. 

 

The Sabres earned 62 points two years ago. Last year they earned 76 points. This year my guess is that they will earn between 86 to 88 points. Even for those discordant members who have an up is down perspective that is an upward trajectory 

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/sabres-okposo-impressed-ralph-krueger

 

Except that in this orderly fashion that you describe, Toronto is/was way behind us in their rebuild  

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