Le'Veon Bell Will Sit Out for the Entire 2018 Season

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yes.. The market sets the price for all players new contracts.  No different for Bell.   Why would anyone argue his case is special?  He is exercising all of his rights to accept deals, turn them down, sign contracts or not.

 

I really don't get how he is being screwed over here.

 

...agree bud...STILL think he's screwing himself.......pretty sure the Steelers offered him $30 mil guaranteed....sure Gurley got more, but he's younger.....Bell reminds me of Latrell Spreewell.....Timberwolves offered him $14 mil/yr and he said it was an insult..."I've got a family to feed"......all holdings were foreclosed and he lost everything......doubt Merrill Lynch hired 'em......best and the brightest?....hmmmm.......

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm talking about all the NFL players. But Bell can do whatever he wants. No one's "winning". Sucks for the Steelers not having RB depth and another weapon given Connor was in concussion protocol. Sucks Bell has to sit out a year without pay. I think both sides were too petty as I see former NFL players baffled at the situation. They can't fathom resenting teammates over money, they're all in it together: co-workers.

 

Doesn't happen in other leagues. Imagine the top basketball or baseball players sitting out a year over a contract. They get shipped out via trade or cut.. but they can always play every year when healthy.

 

Bell's not playing behind this offensive line that keeps making backhanded comments towards him. Screw that haha that's a runningback's nightmare if you have any suspicion your OL aren't trying to protect you.

 

Look at what Jimmy Butler was able to do in the NBA. We can argue till the cows go home who is in the right.. Steelers/Timberwolves? Bell/Butler? At the end of the day one league allowed that top player to play and the other doesn't... And it didn't make any difference to the teams they both lost a player. But Butler gets to get out and Bell has to stay?? WHY did the Steelers hang on to him? Simply because they could. That's really bizarre man.

 

 

Why do you keep saying Bell "has to sit out for a year without pay"? Or that he could not "play every year when healthy"?  Or that the NFL didn't "allow" Bell to play?

 

The Steelers tried twice this past year to sign him to a long term deal. He REFUSED their offers.  Then they offered him 14.5 million to play this year.  He REFUSED to sign yet again.

 

Butler, one year after being traded to the Timberwolves, said he didn't want to play for them.  He acted out like a baby.....but he PLAYED in 10 of their first 13 games before getting traded to the 76ers.  The T-Wolves didn't have to trade him.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about here.

 

 

[Bing Bong]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Why do you keep saying Bell "has to sit out for a year without pay"? Or that he could not "play every year when healthy"?  Or that the NFL didn't "allow" Bell to play?

 

The Steelers tried twice this past year to sign him to a long term deal. He REFUSED their offers.  Then they offered him 14.5 million to play this year.  He REFUSED to sign yet again.

 

Butler, one year after being traded to the Timberwolves, said he didn't want to play for them.  He acted out like a baby.....but he PLAYED in 10 of their first 13 games before getting traded to the 76ers.  The T-Wolves didn't have to trade him.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about here. thanks

 

 

Bell wasn't allowed to hit free agency. You said he thought he was worth more and the Steelers disagreed. Why wasn't he able to know what the LEAGUE thought.

 

Butler wasn't at the end of his contract and he has more freedom than a dude that completed his contractual obligation in another league. I know what happened to Butler lol. Do you not understand the difference between these two? They're in different leaaaaaaaaaaagues

 

Do you understand what I'm saying lol

 

I know what I'm talking about because it's so simple. There are two players. At odds with their team. Want to get out. One has finished his contract. One hasn't. Knowing that information would you guess which one would have more leverage? No. Because NFL and NBA treat players differently. IMO the NFL is pretty crappy with theirs and the union sucks donkey.

Edited November 17, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[26CornerBlitz]

Marcus Mariota = $100 million man? Plus, Le'Veon Bell's value

 

By Bucky Brooks, NFL.com Analyst

 

Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks knows the ins and outs of this league, providing keen insight in his notebook. The topics of this edition include:

 

-- Why the Steelers' Super Bowl hopes just took a serious hit.

 

STEELERS WITHOUT BELL: Pittsburgh's title chances just decreased

 

Don't let the numbers fool you: The Steelers' chances of winning Super Bowl LIII took a hit when Le'Veon Bell decided to pass on signing the franchise tag this week, effectively ending his season before it started. Despite James Conner capably filling in as the team's RB1, he's not No. 26 -- and the Steelers' offense will miss the two-time All-Pro when the games get bigger down the stretch.

 

You can call me a hater in my Twitter mentions or fill my inbox with countless statistics and data suggesting otherwise, but Pittsburgh's offense will be easier to defend in December/January. The loss of Bell will cost the Steelers dearly when they play pivotal games down the stretch and in the postseason.

 

Don't get me wrong: I certainly appreciate and respect what Conner has done as the team's fill-in RB1. Not only has he posted better numbers through nine games than Bell ever has before (in scrimmage yards, rushing touchdowns and scrimmage touchdowns), but he's on pace to surpass the 2,000-yard mark in scrimmage yards this season. That's unbelievable production from a backup, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a transcendent talent at the position who forces opponents to change how they defend Pittsburgh's offense, particularly when coaches hone in on strengths and weaknesses during stretch runs.

 

"Conner is more of a one-trick pony," said a former NFL defensive coordinator who faced Bell multiple times over the past few seasons. "He is a grinder. He can punish you on inside runs and flashes a little wiggle, but he is not a home run hitter. He wears you down over time. ... He's been productive in the passing game, but he's not a playmaker on the perimeter. You don't need to worry about him winning one-on-ones against your linebackers and defensive backs in space. He's solid, but he's not the same kind of player as Bell."

[Stank_Nasty]

How many backups need to come in a tear it up there before people realize it may just be the guys up front and the talent around them that make the rb what they are in PITT

 

deangelo Williams came in during his 30’s and ripped it up in replacement of bell in the past. Now Conner is out producing the guy? 

 

Overrated much??? Have fun with that “patient” running style behind a line of a team that can afford you. He couldn’t have been in a better situation to succeed. Guy is in for a rude awakening.... but at least he’ll have his money. 

[wppete]

Another agent taking advantage of a player. 

[Returntoglory]

1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm talking about all the NFL players. But Bell can do whatever he wants. No one's "winning". Sucks for the Steelers not having RB depth and another weapon given Connor was in concussion protocol. Sucks Bell has to sit out a year without pay. I think both sides were too petty as I see former NFL players baffled at the situation. They can't fathom resenting teammates over money, they're all in it together: co-workers.

 

Doesn't happen in other leagues. Imagine the top basketball or baseball players sitting out a year over a contract. They get shipped out via trade or cut.. but they can always play every year when healthy.

 

Bell's not playing behind this offensive line that keeps making backhanded comments towards him. Screw that haha that's a runningback's nightmare if you have any suspicion your OL aren't trying to protect you.

 

Look at what Jimmy Butler was able to do in the NBA. We can argue till the cows go home who is in the right.. Steelers/Timberwolves? Bell/Butler? At the end of the day one league allowed that top player to play and the other doesn't... And it didn't make any difference to the teams they both lost a player. But Butler gets to get out and Bell has to stay?? WHY did the Steelers hang on to him? Simply because they could. That's really bizarre man.

 

I don't think the players foresaw how the franchise tag would be used: to hold up stars from hitting a proper free agency market rather than to give middling players more money in a season than they might get in their whole careers.

Bell didn't "Have to sit out" he chose to do so. His workload would have been less had he come back do to the emergence of Connor.  He F'd up and time will show that to be the case. 

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Bell wasn't allowed to hit free agency. You said he thought he was worth more and the Steelers disagreed. Why wasn't he able to know what the LEAGUE thought.

 

Butler wasn't at the end of his contract and he has more freedom than a dude that completed his contractual obligation in another league. I know what happened to Butler lol. Do you not understand the difference between these two? They're in different leaaaaaaaaaaagues

 

Do you understand what I'm saying lol

 

I know what I'm talking about because it's so simple. There are two players. At odds with their team. Want to get out. One has finished his contract. One hasn't. Knowing that information would you guess which one would have more leverage? No. Because NFL and NBA treat players differently. IMO the NFL is pretty crappy with theirs and the union sucks donkey.

 

Simple. Because his rights belonged to the Steelers.  That's how it has worked for many years now.  It's the same reason that Butler couldn't "hit free agency"---because he was still under contract.  

 

Butler wasn't free to test the market until next season.  He was bound to play for the T-wolves, or sit out and wait until next year. He chose to play.  They chose to get rid of him (that's not really "freedom").  His 'leverage" was being an expensive baby who they felt wasn't worth the trouble.  This guy will bounce around the league for the rest of his career.

 

Bell could had played for his highest salary ever,  or held out and waited until next year.  He chose to sit out.     

 

So you really aren't making any sense now.

 

The franchise tag the players had no problems with--in fact, since i only affects 6-10 players a year, I bet most of the players really don't give a sh--t about it and Bell's "stand".  92% of NFL roster members will never have the luxury to turn down 14.5 million for a single season.  This is a total nonissue.

 

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Marcus Mariota = $100 million man? Plus, Le'Veon Bell's value

 

By Bucky Brooks, NFL.com Analyst

 

Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks knows the ins and outs of this league, providing keen insight in his notebook. The topics of this edition include:

 

-- Why the Steelers' Super Bowl hopes just took a serious hit.

 

STEELERS WITHOUT BELL: Pittsburgh's title chances just decreased

 

Don't let the numbers fool you: The Steelers' chances of winning Super Bowl LIII took a hit when Le'Veon Bell decided to pass on signing the franchise tag this week, effectively ending his season before it started. Despite James Conner capably filling in as the team's RB1, he's not No. 26 -- and the Steelers' offense will miss the two-time All-Pro when the games get bigger down the stretch.

 

You can call me a hater in my Twitter mentions or fill my inbox with countless statistics and data suggesting otherwise, but Pittsburgh's offense will be easier to defend in December/January. The loss of Bell will cost the Steelers dearly when they play pivotal games down the stretch and in the postseason.

 

Don't get me wrong: I certainly appreciate and respect what Conner has done as the team's fill-in RB1. Not only has he posted better numbers through nine games than Bell ever has before (in scrimmage yards, rushing touchdowns and scrimmage touchdowns), but he's on pace to surpass the 2,000-yard mark in scrimmage yards this season. That's unbelievable production from a backup, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a transcendent talent at the position who forces opponents to change how they defend Pittsburgh's offense, particularly when coaches hone in on strengths and weaknesses during stretch runs.

 

"Conner is more of a one-trick pony," said a former NFL defensive coordinator who faced Bell multiple times over the past few seasons. "He is a grinder. He can punish you on inside runs and flashes a little wiggle, but he is not a home run hitter. He wears you down over time. ... He's been productive in the passing game, but he's not a playmaker on the perimeter. You don't need to worry about him winning one-on-ones against your linebackers and defensive backs in space. He's solid, but he's not the same kind of player as Bell."

 

Brooks coming to the Bell holdout chat party with a super hot take about 2 weeks too late.

 

The bolded part is the best--one trick pony"!  Then he goes on to describe how Conner is better this year to date than Bell has been to the same point in any season...lol.

 

Then he goes on to say that teams don't have to change how teams defend against the Steelers. This as they won 6 of the last 7 games and just destroyed one of the best teams and defenses in the NFC.  

 

Forgetting the fact that Bell has played in zero SBs in his 5 seasons, it's a bit silly, seeing how they are playing now, to NOW claim that "The Steelers' chances of winning Super Bowl LIII took a hit when Le'Veon Bell decided to pass on signing the franchise tag"

 

Doofus.

[KD in CA]

5 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Bell wasn't allowed to hit free agency. You said he thought he was worth more and the Steelers disagreed. Why wasn't he able to know what the LEAGUE thought.

 

Butler wasn't at the end of his contract and he has more freedom than a dude that completed his contractual obligation in another league. I know what happened to Butler lol. Do you not understand the difference between these two? They're in different leaaaaaaaaaaagues

 

Do you understand what I'm saying lol

 

I know what I'm talking about because it's so simple. There are two players. At odds with their team. Want to get out. One has finished his contract. One hasn't. Knowing that information would you guess which one would have more leverage? No. Because NFL and NBA treat players differently. IMO the NFL is pretty crappy with theirs and the union sucks donkey.

 

Do YOU understand what you are saying??

 

Bell has not in fact, completed his contractual obligation to the Steelers.  His contract included the right of the other party to retain his services for this year.  That's part of his contractual obligation.

[Bing Bong]

9 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Do YOU understand what you are saying??

 

Bell has not in fact, completed his contractual obligation to the Steelers.  His contract included the right of the other party to retain his services for this year.  That's part of his contractual obligation.

He's 26 and can hit the FA if not for the franchise tag. If you'll call the possibility of a franchise tag that can go for any player that's of his status a contractual obligation than.. agree to disagree. But we both understand what happened. 

 

If Bell was average he'd have hit free agency and not be tagged. Makes a lot of sense ?. I understand the narrative you want.. but what happened to Robert Woods?? Huh he hit free agency! Weird! 

53 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Simple. Because his rights belonged to the Steelers.  That's how it has worked for many years now.  It's the same reason that Butler couldn't "hit free agency"---because he was still under contract.  

Yeah that's exactly what I said. Why does Bell's rights belong to the Steelers ? they tagged him. He completed his rookie contract. Idc what he gets, what happens. But he didn't need to sit out a year because he was good enough to merit a tag.

4 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

Bell didn't "Have to sit out" he chose to do so. His workload would have been less had he come back do to the emergence of Connor.  He F'd up and time will show that to be the case. 

Who cares. He doesn't want to play for the Steelers. If y'all had a burning desire he would play for the Steelers cool. Come out and say it. He wanted out and was forced to stay. Call me a neutral fan that prefers to see the best players in the league play a season. Doesn't happen in other leagues.

Edited November 18, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[KD in CA]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

He's 26 and can hit the FA if not for the franchise tag. If you'll call the possibility of a franchise tag that can go for any player that's of his status a contractual obligation than.. agree to disagree. But we both understand what happened. 

 

If Bell sucked he'd have hit free agents and not be tagged. Makes a lot of sense ?. I understand the narrative you want.. but what happened to Robert Woods?? Huh he hit free agency! Weird! 

 

It's not a narrative you nitwit, it's called contract law.   

 

What do you want to "agree to disagree" on?  That you don't understand the franchise tag is part of his contract?   Or that you don't understand contract terms sometimes provide options for one or both parties?  Or that you just have a need to ignore reality so you can continue to stomp your feet like a child on behalf of some douchey football player?   This is the most laughable attempt at a crusade on this board in a while.

[Bing Bong]

7 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

It's not a narrative you nitwit, it's called contract law.   

 

What do you want to "agree to disagree" on?  That you don't understand the franchise tag is part of his contract?   Or that you don't understand contract terms sometimes provide options for one or both parties?  Or that you just have a need to ignore reality so you can continue to stomp your feet like a child on behalf of some douchey football player?   This is the most laughable attempt at a crusade on this board in a while.

I'm saying the franchise tag sucks and your point is he plays in a league with a franchise tag... Huh. Maybe that's where we disagree lol

 

I really gotta dumb it down for you geniuses

Edited November 18, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[KD in CA]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm saying the franchise tag sucks and your point is he plays in a league with a franchise tag... Huh.

 

No, what you're saying is he has "completed his contractual obligation" or he has "finished his contract" which is 100%, flat-out wrong.  And the sob story Bell was somehow forced into sitting out this year is likewise BS.

 

If you think the franchise tag is unfair, fine.  Say that and articulate why you think all players should reach UFA after four years, and spare the rest of the nonsense.

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

No, what you're saying is he has "completed his contractual obligation" or he has "finished his contract" which is 100%, flat-out wrong.  And the sob story Bell was somehow forced into sitting out this year is likewise BS.

 

If you think the franchise tag is unfair, fine.  Say that and articulate why you think all players should reach UFA after four years, and spare the rest of the nonsense.

Franchise tag was literally what I started with before you hopped on to my last post lol

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm saying the franchise tag sucks and your point is he plays in a league with a franchise tag... Huh. Maybe that's where we disagree lol

 

I really gotta dumb it down for you geniuses

 

4 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Franchise tag was literally what I started with before you hopped on to my last post lol

 

You completely misunderstood what the franchise tag means.  You made a totally incorrect comparison, full of factual errors, to Jimmy Butler and the NBA to make whatever point you are really struggling to make....

 

......and "y'all" are gonna "dumb it down" for the rest of us.

 

I have to say, I'm not sure how you be able to dumb down your thoughts any further....

[NoSaint]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You completely misunderstood what the franchise tag means.  You made a totally incorrect comparison, full of factual errors, to Jimmy Butler and the NBA to make whatever point you are really struggling to make....

 

......and "y'all" are gonna "dumb it down" for the rest of us.

 

I have to say, I'm not sure how you be able to dumb down your thoughts any further....

 

Amd somehow even this dude figured out peterman before coach could 

[KD in CA]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You completely misunderstood what the franchise tag means.  You made a totally incorrect comparison, full of factual errors, to Jimmy Butler and the NBA to make whatever point you are really struggling to make....

 

......and "y'all" are gonna "dumb it down" for the rest of us.

 

I have to say, I'm not sure how you be able to dumb down your thoughts any further....

 

Yet I feel confident that he will try.  Repeatedly.

20 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Franchise tag was literally what I started with before you hopped on to my last post lol

 

You mean the one (actually it was 3) where you demonstrated that you are too stupid to understand the concept of a contract?   'lol' is right.

[Bing Bong]

23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

You completely misunderstood what the franchise tag means.  You made a totally incorrect comparison, full of factual errors, to Jimmy Butler and the NBA to make whatever point you are really struggling to make....

 

......and "y'all" are gonna "dumb it down" for the rest of us.

 

I have to say, I'm not sure how you be able to dumb down your thoughts any further....

I'm struggling to make you understand why I don't like the NFL contracts or the franchise tag. I don't doubt the existence of it. This started with me saying NFL players are getting screwed and you questioning why.

 

You're team owners I guess, I'm team players. That's all this boils down to and is tiresome otherwise to listen to y'all nitpick a point I'm bringing up with someone else. Sorry I brought up Jimmy Butler I guess. You can't listen to a comparison if it's not the exact same situation as to Bell's. A little difficult because it's literally never happened before. How about I leave it with it hasn't happened in other leagues lol. Happy?

10 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Yet I feel confident that he will try.  Repeatedly.

 

You mean the one (actually it was 3) where you demonstrated that you are too stupid to understand the concept of a contract?   'lol' is right.

I said NFL contracts suck. Simple sentences going forward. Discuss. NFL contracts. Good or bad.

 

Hint: it's an OPINION.

Edited November 18, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

Amd somehow even this dude figured out peterman before coach could 

 

Oh zing!