bills11 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, major said: Heard today that Jon Gruden has a two year plan to completely overhaul the raiders roster to bring in his own players. Why do coaches do this (our own included)? I’ve seen this done in my profession as well and it rarely works. I know some answers will revolve around new schemes and new players. But it seems to be more of an ego trip, in my opinion. So why do you think they do this? Ego they feel they have their own successful system and that's the way it goes ..the great coaches don't do this tho...Belichick won the superbowl with Parcells players + Brady ..the opposite Chip Kelly traded away great talent from Eagles and failed ..its a red flag to Me if a coach wants too much power off the bat unless their established serial winners like Belichick or Andy Reid . Mcdermott/Beane created more holes on this roster due to ego. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: Most people (and in this case, football coaches) aren't very creative/adaptable. Belichick has proven over and over that he's one of the few that can adapt his systems to the players he has available. Wade was able to do it with his defenses. I remember them talking to Brian Cox about his stint with the Patriots. Belichick KNEW Cox couldn't cover a bed in man-to-man, so he used him almost exclusively on running downs and either blitzed him or had him play a soft zone on the passing plays he was on the field for. There was a great article on Sean McVay before he ever coached a game. He has basically turned the NFL on its collective head because he refuses to adhere to the old norms. The Rams are finally playing to the talent level of that roster because of it. Common denominator: having a QB makes them look a whole lot more like geniuses... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Because Old School cosches are set in their ways and know nothing else. You notice McVay didnt sell off the Roster in LA, Nagy in Chi McVay didn't have to, that team was loaded. From years of high draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So then not all coaches fire sale their teams they take over. Thanks. No not all. It it all depends on who they inherit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 39 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: No not all. It it all depends on who they inherit. Notice the ONLY ones that due tend to be fired rather quickly 41 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: McVay didn't have to, that team was loaded. From years of high draft picks. Notice the Only ones that go in. Clean house are the ones that tend to be fired rather quickly after getting hired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Notice the ONLY ones that due tend to be fired rather quickly Notice the Only ones that go in. Clean house are the ones that tend to be fired rather quickly after getting hired because people like you have 0 patience. Give him another offseason, and if they still have a basement offense, then we will talk. Edited October 22, 2018 by BillsEnthusiast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: because people like you have 0 patience. So you mean like Pro Sport. You win or get replaced. What has McD done to earn patience? 7 blowouts in 1.5 seasons? Edited October 22, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said: Wade was able to do it with his defenses. Wade will also allow elite players, like JJ Watt, Von Miller and Aaron Donald, to deviate from the play call and move across the defense as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So you mean like Pro Sport. You win or get replaced. What has McD done to earn patience? 7 blowouts in 1.5 seasons? Ended that playoff drought. That's a big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Ended that playoff drought. That's a big one. Thank you Andy Dalton. Marrone would have done the same with some miracle tie breaker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Because the players they inherited don’t fit their schemes? This is true in foitball all to a limit. the biggest area is a 3-4 or 4-3 front defense where you see a change of personnel. This is was part of the problem in buffalos playoff drought. They kept flipping back and forth. The big example was in Gailey hiring. Had he not been nepotistic and hire his friend who was a 3-4 person and instead kept it 4-3 buffalo probably makes the playoffs because they had p,layoff defense talent. You font don’t generally see thus in other sports when new coaches are hired. sometimes new GM and coaches don’t keep players because they weren’t their investment so if they do well the credit won’t go to the gm. you see this in areas of corporations that are investing in new ideas or inventions. A new manager hired changes priorities. If a new manager is hired after a scandal or disaster the new person needs to focus first on this reason which financial impacts other areas like with budget cuts or job layoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Thank you Andy Dalton. Marrone would have done the same with some miracle tie breaker. You have to get your team in position for the tiebreaker in the first place. Am I the only one seeing This? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Because the players they inherited don’t fit their schemes? ...but don't the good ones adjust their schemes to fit the personnel they have to work with?....Schwartz did it with good results....didn't we waste two years with Trainwrecks because he needed "his guys"?...........how much time can we afford to let McClappy waste because he needs "his guys" and they must fit "the process", whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.....seriously beginning to hate that damn word........... Edited October 22, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: You have to get your team in position for the tiebreaker in the first place. Am I the only one seeing This? Again Marrone did it in 2014. What is your point 9-7. Been done here a couple times and just didnt get the Miracle McD did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Again Marrone did it in 2014. What is your point 9-7. Been done here a couple times and just didnt get the Miracle McD did And I would have kept Marrone, that blockhead quit on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habes1280 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 hours ago, major said: Heard today that Jon Gruden has a two year plan to completely overhaul the raiders roster to bring in his own players. Why do coaches do this (our own included)? I’ve seen this done in my profession as well and it rarely works. I know some answers will revolve around new schemes and new players. But it seems to be more of an ego trip, in my opinion. So why do you think they do this? Something tells me this is a rhetorical question, but I'll bite anyway. Short answer? It's easier. It's easier for coaches to identify the kinds of players they think will best execute their concepts than it is to modify those concepts to match the players currently on the roster. Adaptive coaches are rare, and there are only too many who are willing to rest on the laurels of schemes that may have won them games in the past, but are now either outdated or a bad match for their current personnel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: And I would have kept Marrone, that blockhead quit on us. He wanted a raise. Terry told him nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: He wanted a raise. Terry told him nope He didn't warrant a raise at the time. If he had stayed and made the playoffs, I would have extended him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 49 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Notice the ONLY ones that due tend to be fired rather quickly Notice the Only ones that go in. Clean house are the ones that tend to be fired rather quickly after getting hired Not necessarily. Some succeed some fail. Unfortunately for Buffalo it hasn’t worked out for the past 3 or more HC’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: He didn't warrant a raise at the time. If he had stayed and made the playoffs, I would have extended him. Sure but if some Miracle play ends the drought like McD he would have right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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