Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Pete said: I am not sure which is worse- 2-14 or 8-8? The Bills have had plenty of both. But when you are 2-14 you get Bruce Smith 8-8 is a disease. 8-8 is why the 17 year drought happened. Being average is horrible, except for those season ticket holders that clamor for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 Just now, Alaska Darin said: Fine by me. I'd love for them to be paying him $4M more than Jack every year for a decade. Carter Hutton makes under $3 and Dahlin for the next 2 years is about $1M. I agree. They can't keep everyone of their young players under the salary cap system which means they'll have to let someone go. Hopefully Marner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: 8-8 is a disease. 8-8 is why the 17 year drought happened. Being average is horrible, except for those season ticket holders that clamor for it. We look like we have another shot at 8-8. Haven't we seen this movie already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Just now, Pete said: We look like we have another shot at 8-8. Haven't we seen this movie already? Yes, except unlike other regimes, we haven't spent to cap to get there. I'm sure that you can see and understand that distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Yes, except unlike other regimes, we haven't spent to cap to get there. I'm sure that you can see and understand that distinction. yep and they are surprisingly playing great. Our offense has big potential. And the D is one of the best in NFL. Not to mention they are young and signed for years. 10 picks. Beane has drafted very well. $90 million cap room. The future is bright for both the Bills and Sabres! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shrader Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Pete said: I am not sure which is worse- 2-14 or 8-8? The Bills have had plenty of both. But when you are 2-14 you get Bruce Smith So much better than when 3-13 gets you Mike Williams. Edited November 29, 2018 by shrader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 54 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: Arizona pretty much has to try this. They desperately need to bring Matthews "home" and if I was him, I'd happily sign that deal. I don't see where going to Arizona would be a boon for Matthews from a financial standpoint. Even if he was able to garner a bonanza contract that Toronto couldn't or was unwilling to match by leaving Toronto he would be losing a lot of ancillary revenue from advertisers all over the local region and stretching beyond in Canada. In Arizona his hockey profile for advertisers would be severely diminished if he crossed over the border to the land of sunshine and seniors. On the other hand if he went to a team such as the Rangers then the financial calculations would be much different. As it stands I just don't see him leaving Toronto. Whatever has to be worked out will be worked out in the Maple Leaf city. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, JohnC said: I don't see where going to Arizona would be a boon for Matthews from a financial standpoint. Even if he was able to garner a bonanza contract that Toronto couldn't or was unwilling to match by leaving Toronto he would be losing a lot of ancillary revenue from advertisers all over the local region and stretching beyond in Canada. In Arizona his hockey profile for advertisers would be severely diminished if he crossed over the border to the land of sunshine and seniors. On the other hand if he went to a team such as the Rangers then the financial calculations would be much different. As it stands I just don't see him leaving Toronto. Whatever has to be worked out will be worked out in the Maple Leaf city. Honest question: is he getting $14 million American dollars in Arizona vs $14 million Canadien dollars in Toronto? And I think he'd be able to recoup a good chunk of ancillary revenue being home in Az. And I'm not sure how much an American player gets endorsements in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, snafu said: Honest question: is he getting $14 million American dollars in Arizona vs $14 million Canadien dollars in Toronto? And I think he'd be able to recoup a good chunk of ancillary revenue being home in Az. And I'm not sure how much an American player gets endorsements in Canada. All nhl contracts are paid in American dollars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnC Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 minute ago, snafu said: Honest question: is he getting $14 million American dollars in Arizona vs $14 million Canadien dollars in Toronto? And I think he'd be able to recoup a good chunk of ancillary revenue being home in Az. And I'm not sure how much an American player gets endorsements in Canada. I'm not sure how the contracts between US and Canadian work out. I would think that the differences would be accounted for in the contract with the Canadian teams. It just seems to me that a hockey star in Toronto is going to make out so much better in Canada than it would in Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 Sabres with the # 1 and #3 Cellys of the week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 Sabres Surging (28:21) The Buffalo Sabres have won 10 games in a row. Are they legitimate contenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) A lot of discussion whether or not it should be Reinhart or Poms on the 1st line... why not try Tage??? Edited November 29, 2018 by GETTOTHE50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, JohnC said: I don't see where going to Arizona would be a boon for Matthews from a financial standpoint. Even if he was able to garner a bonanza contract that Toronto couldn't or was unwilling to match by leaving Toronto he would be losing a lot of ancillary revenue from advertisers all over the local region and stretching beyond in Canada. In Arizona his hockey profile for advertisers would be severely diminished if he crossed over the border to the land of sunshine and seniors. On the other hand if he went to a team such as the Rangers then the financial calculations would be much different. As it stands I just don't see him leaving Toronto. Whatever has to be worked out will be worked out in the Maple Leaf city. Economics and technology of today really make the “ where you play determines your endorsement income” a moot point. However, in this case it might be true. Biggest star in Canada, and on the East Coast. I don’t see McD all over the place though , but he is not on East Coast. But it why I think he signs it quick is Toronto is stuck and may never come close to the offer he receives is in a term sheet unless they unload Willy before July. Maybe Arizona offers $15m, but for only 4 years so he hits UDFA still in his absolute prime. In other words , Arizona is desperate to survive. This may be the splash they need Edited November 29, 2018 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnC Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: Economics and technology of today really make the “ where you play determines your endorsement income” a moot point. However, in this case it might be true. Biggest star in Canada, and on the East Coast. I don’t see McD all over the place though , but he is not on East Coast. But it why I think he signs it quick is Toronto is stuck and may never come close to the offer he receives is in a term sheet unless they unload Willy before July. Maybe Arizona offers $15m, but for only 4 years so he hits UDFA still in his absolute prime. In other words , Arizona is desperate to survive. This may be the splash they need The issue for Matthews isn't what it would do for the invisible franchise he would go to, desperate it is for relevancy, as it is what it would do for him. Playing on a Stanley Cup contender in Toronto and Canada compared to playing for a franchise that the hockey world is oblivious to makes little sense from an ancillary financial sense for the player. We both agree that McDavid is one of the best players in the game. But he plays in an outpost in Edmonton for a team that hasn't made much success. If McDavid played for Toronto, Montreal or the Rangers then his profile and financial rewards would certainly be exponentially greater. There is another factor that has to be considered when projecting financial gain from product promotions. If a player has a wooden personality that certainly is going to crimp his financial potential. Sidney Crosby is an exception to this personality issue. He certainly has a stiff and colorless personality. No one can accuse him of exuding much charm. But he has played on a team that can be fairly categorized as a dynasty. My belief is that if he played on a mediocre team in the Arizona desert his stature in the promotion market would be much smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Maybe some of our canadian posters can chime in, but I'd imagine that McDavid is marketed hard all over that entire country. It might decrease a bit if he was playing in an american market, but as long as he's with any of their 7 teams, he will be the face of the game up there. The american factor for Matthews would probably play into his profile up there a bit, to the point where he'd have to be in one of the 2-3 mega markets up there to get the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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