NFL.com Projects 2019 Compensatory Picks

[artmalibu]

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

The Pats get 4, the Eagles get 3, rewards for losers right? Might want to think before you speak?

 

22 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

 

Share your thinking...     

 

What bills players should the Bills cut or let walk and what free agents did they signed that should not have to get theses picks?

 

Also tell us how the Pats and Eagles will be better with the players they lost with the picks they gained.

 

 

 

Specifically with the Pats tell us how the Pats will be better with the 3rd and 6th round picks they gained when they lost:

 

 Nate Solder-  franchise left tackle

 Danny Amendola - sure handed WR with 660 yards of receptions and was a better than average punt returner.  Some evaluators had him at the 8th most valuable at punt returns

Malcom Butler-  starting CB who made the play to win a SB, helped shut down the falcons to win another and was not on the field that may have cost them another SB win.

Dion Lewis- produced over 1,100 yards 

 

And dont forget to tell us what the Bills should have done to get these picks

 

 

[artmalibu]

23 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Could have cut Tolbert, Duckass, and DiMarco or (Davis?). Not sure about the last one, but would have had a 3rd apparently. 

 

No argument on Tolbert the coaches saw something in him that was invisible to us. 

 

Dont know who duckass is

 

DiMarco 2 time pro-bowl played who was rated as the best FB in the NFL who would carry a much bigger dead cap hit than cap savings. 

 

Davis who was much needed in rotation at the end of the season when Shaq went down. He also finished the season with 1 less sack than the team leader.   

 

Maybe tanking for a 3rd round pick in more important than ending the playoff drought???

 

Edited May 19, 2018 by artmalibu

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

25 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

No argument on Tolbert the coaches saw something in him that was invisible to us. 

 

Dont know who duckass is

 

DiMarco 2 time pro-bowl played who was rated as the best FB in the NFL who would carry a much bigger dead cap hit than cap savings. 

 

Davis who was much needed in rotation at the end of the season when Shaq went down. He also finished the season with 1 less sack than the team leader.   

 

Maybe tanking for a 3rd round pick in more important than ending the playoff drought???

 

We could have still squeaked into the playoffs and kicked a field goal without those players by signing replacements who are just as good.

[jr1]

at least the Pats are bad at drafting

[ExWNYer]

36 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

No argument on Tolbert the coaches saw something in him that was invisible to us. 

 

Dont know who duckass is

 

DiMarco 2 time pro-bowl played who was rated as the best FB in the NFL who would carry a much bigger dead cap hit than cap savings. 

 

Davis who was much needed in rotation at the end of the season when Shaq went down. He also finished the season with 1 less sack than the team leader.   

 

Maybe tanking for a 3rd round pick in more important than ending the playoff drought???

 

 

Vlad Ducasse. Lame attempt at humor by the poster.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, artmalibu said:

 

 

Share your thinking...     

 

What bills players should the Bills cut or let walk and what free agents did they signed that should not have to get theses picks?

 

Also tell us how the Pats and Eagles will be better with the players they lost with the picks they gained.

 

 

 

....yup.....pretty weak argument to let comp picks influence your judgment on personnel moves....

[artmalibu]

15 minutes ago, Chemical said:

We could have still squeaked into the playoffs and kicked a field goal without those players by signing replacements who are just as good.

 

Would love to know how you could come to this conclusion.

 

with out them would the Bills have been in position to kick field goals???

 

You know for fact that there were other players who were as good that would have agreed to term with the bills???

 

 

9 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Vlad Ducasse. Lame attempt at humor by the poster.

 

Yea this guy was the best option they thought they had and started a lot of games or was this part of the tank?

 

If I remember correct the Bills would have needed to cut 3 of the free agents to get 1 of these picks.  

 

I think that Tolbert would have been a cut the would not have hurt the team and could have been replaced by a better option.  But again one cut would yield on pick. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Y'all really can't imagine available free agents better than Davis Ducasse and Tolbert? or even comparable? Listen, I don't think the 3rd rounder matters that much, but stop blindly supporting everything the Bills do and realize it's just bad asset management. I read all pre-draft about how important all our precious draft picks are to build a team for the future, but now it's only a 3rd and not worth giving up these terrible players. It's the lack of logic that bothers me.

 

Also, cutting Tolbert alone would have helped the team immensely.

 

[artmalibu]

Here are the facts for the comp picks form https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/6/5/15734438/buffalo-bills-2018-third-round-compensatory-pick-brandon-beane-free-agency

 

According to OverTheCap.com, Buffalo signed seven free agents in the qualifying window and lost five. In order to get that Gilmore pick, they need a new loss so they would have to rid themselves of three of those signings by the compensatory cutoff, assumed to be in Week 10 because the NFL has never shared the compensatory formula.

The pros of cutting three players are clear; they would get a third round pick. Cut another player to get an additional fourth rounder. You also don’t have to pay those guys and can save money on the cap.

The cons are also clear; there is upfront money you’ve already paid these recently-signed players that will go to waste and be accelerated onto the salary cap. There is also the risk of looking foolish by going back on a signing you just made.

Let’s take a look at the players Buffalo would have to release to get there and power rank them in terms of likelihood. We have included the dead cap hit that would be associated with the release.

 

THREE of these players would have needed to be cut for 1 pick also consider the dead money

1. OL Vlad Ducasse ($250,000 dead money)

2. DE Ryan Davis ($100,000 dead money)

3. WR Andre Holmes ($2.45 million dead money)

4. K Steven Hauschka ($4 million dead money)

5. FB Patrick DiMarco ($3.3 million dead money)

6. S Jordan Poyer ($5 million dead money)

7. DB Micah Hyde ($10.3 million dead money)

 

[artmalibu]

3 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Y'all really can't imagine available free agents better than Davis Ducasse and Tolbert? or even comparable? Listen, I don't think the 3rd rounder matters that much, but stop blindly supporting everything the Bills do and realize it's just bad asset management. I read all pre-draft about how important all our precious draft picks are to build a team for the future, but now it's only a 3rd and not worth giving up these terrible players. It's the lack of logic that bothers me.

 

Also, cutting Tolbert alone would have helped the team immensely.

 

 

Read above post they say Tolbert was not an option to get a pick.  What guys were willing to come to terms with the Bills that were better????  Are you going to say there was someone 

 

3 players cut for 1 pick 

 

Blindly supporting LOL  look at the facts I posted.  Its a real lack of logic that does not see that the Bills were smart not trying to get the stupid 3rd round pick.  

 

If the bills were out of the playoff runnings by the week 10 cut deadline maybe this would be discussion worthy.  That not being the case and that the Bills did make the playoffs any talk of that they should have made 3 of these cuts is absolute ridicules.  Unless you want to argue for the tank? .  

 

Also I want to hear how the Pats are better for their losses

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Holmes Davis and Ducasse are replacement level players

Oh wait, never mind I didn't see that it was for a STUPID 3rd round pick.

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Augie said:

 

That’s a good thing...I was afraid you had bumped your head.  ?

 

Testing for CTE should be necessary for anyone coming from BBMB.

[artmalibu]

Fact about duckass by the ratings of all nfl guards  not a pro bowl guy but ranking 33 is really better than average considering how may guys were ranked.   So, maybe they would have been better off the deer guy playing insead

33. Vladimir Ducasse, Buffalo Bills

Pass Protection: 15/25
Run Block: 16/25
Power: 16/20
Agility: 14/20
Position Value: 7/10
Overall Grade: 68/100

People mocked the Bills when they signed Vladimir Ducasse in March, but they shouldn't have. Although he had some rough reps early on in his career, Ducasse was a solid fill-in for the Ravens down the stretch in 2016. He had another serviceable performance again this year, and while the dominant flashes aren't as prevalent as you would expect with someone his size, he has cleaned up a lot of the footwork issues that plagued his tape early on in his career.

1. But around here there are a lot of guys who know better.  

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

12 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

Fact about duckass by the ratings of all nfl guards  not a pro bowl guy but ranking 33 is really better than average considering how may guys were ranked.   So, maybe they would have been better off the deer guy playing insead

33. Vladimir Ducasse, Buffalo Bills

Pass Protection: 15/25
Run Block: 16/25
Power: 16/20
Agility: 14/20
Position Value: 7/10
Overall Grade: 68/100

People mocked the Bills when they signed Vladimir Ducasse in March, but they shouldn't have. Although he had some rough reps early on in his career, Ducasse was a solid fill-in for the Ravens down the stretch in 2016. He had another serviceable performance again this year, and while the dominant flashes aren't as prevalent as you would expect with someone his size, he has cleaned up a lot of the footwork issues that plagued his tape early on in his career.

1. But around here there are a lot of guys who know better.  

Damn, didn't realize he played that well. Would you trade him for a 3rd?

[artmalibu]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

Damn, didn't realize he played that well. Would you trade him for a 3rd?

Hey it ok  you are not the first poster around here who doesnt know the facts before posting?

 

Not sure,  the bird in the hand...  Are you sure a average will be yielded from a 3rd. 

 

Also you need to pick 2 more cuts to get that pick.  Its not 1 for 1.   

 

 

[artmalibu]

Since we are heavy thinkers around here the next question of consideration

 

If 3 cuts were mad for the 1 3rd round pick besides the dead money.  The 3 replacement players would have cost about 2 million in cap space.  

 

So, is it worth reducing the chances to end the playoff drought to gain a 3rd round pick

 

AND 

Have 2 million less in cap roll over for 2019.

 

The 2 mill in cap space doesent hurt when trying to sign a free agent who is a proven NFL player.  

[Mountain Man]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

Could have cut Tolbert, Duckass, and DiMarco or (Davis?). Not sure about the last one, but would have had a 3rd apparently. 

And no full back or starting Guard....

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 hours ago, Mountain Man said:

And no full back or starting Guard....

Why couldn’t we sign someone else? We traded away quite a few “starting” players last year. Most much better than any of these guys. 

[frostbitmic]

Comp picks are for wimps

[artmalibu]

3 hours ago, Chemical said:

Why couldn’t we sign someone else? We traded away quite a few “starting” players last year. Most much better than any of these guys. 

 

what player did they trade the was a 2 time pro bowler?