Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, PastorMKC said: I would say he wants close to a Ditka offer knowing he won't get it but if he does then we can take a QB at #4 ... Bills Probably would need to offer like 12, 22, 53, 56, 65 and next years #1 and #2 ... I think he would trade for that ... JMO So 3 ones, 3 twos and the top pick in the 3rd?!? That’s crazy. I think 12, 22, 2019 1st & 2nd or 12, 22, 53, 56, 65 gets it done. It’s a ridiculous price either way and one that won’t be paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastorMKC Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Not for #1 because we don't have t deal down but Buffalo needs to deal up if they want their franchise QB ... 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: So 3 ones, 3 twos and the top pick in the 3rd?!? That’s crazy. I think 12, 22, 2019 1st & 2nd or 12, 22, 53, 56, 65 gets it done. It’s a ridiculous price either way and one that won’t be paid. Then we stay at #1 and you have to look for another trade up to get your QB ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PastorMKC said: Not for #1 because we don't have t deal down but Buffalo needs to deal up if they want their franchise QB ... They can get Rosen at 5 or 6 for 12, 53 and 65. Why would they ever pay 12, 22, 53, 56, 65, 2019 1st & 2nd? That’s why the draft value charts exist. They frame trades. You pay a premium moving up but not double. Edited April 25, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Shocking! After passing on QBs the past few seasons. Haha. It is going to be weird not seeing the Browns trade out and then take the 3rd-5th best QB in the 20s-40s lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Come on Browns, draft Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: They can get Rosen at 5 or 6 for 12, 53 and 65. Why would they ever pay 12, 22, 53, 56, 65, 2019 1st & 2nd? That’s why the draft value charts exist. They frame trades. You pay a premium moving up but not double. Usually I would agree with you in terms of the value, but this year seems a little bit different because of the high demand for QBS. Don't quote me on it, but I believe the Jets payed double or very close to, just to move up 3 spots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, PastorMKC said: Not for #1 because we don't have t deal down but Buffalo needs to deal up if they want their franchise QB ... Then we stay at #1 and you have to look for another trade up to get your QB ... We are all in agreement that the Browns stay at 1. The fact that Browns fans think that a team will offer 3 ones, 3 twos and the top pick of the 3rd is the equivalent of Celtics fans that think they will get Kawhi or AD without giving up Brown or Tatum. It is absurd how unrealistic people are when it comes to their teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: Usually I would agree with you in terms of the value, but this year seems a little bit different because of the high demand for QBS. Don't quote me on it, but I believe the Jets payed double or very close to, just to move up 3 spots They paid 152%. Not double or anywhere near it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: So 3 ones, 3 twos and the top pick in the 3rd?!? That’s crazy. I think 12, 22, 2019 1st & 2nd or 12, 22, 53, 56, 65 gets it done. It’s a ridiculous price either way and one that won’t be paid. If the team in question thinks they are potentially getting the next John Elway (or whoever) then it is worth it and I think a trade like that is not out of the question but someone else did raise a good point, how many rookies does Cleveland really need. The team is stupid young as it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Usually I would agree with you in terms of the value, but this year seems a little bit different because of the high demand for QBS. Don't quote me on it, but I believe the Jets payed double or very close to, just to move up 3 spots They paid like a 50% premium on one chart and 25% on the other. The trade that I suggested to 5 or 6 is a similar value to what the Jets paid. Bandit laid it out in another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastorMKC Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 All I am saying is Dorsey doesn't want to trade #1 but if we get a Ditka offer he would ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: They paid like a 50% premium on one chart and 25% on the other. The trade that I suggested to 5 or 6 is a similar value to what the Jets paid. Bandit laid it out in another thread. Oh Ok, my mistake. Heard it was double on the NFL network last night, which must have been an error by Rapoport then. My apologies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: If the team in question thinks they are potentially getting the next John Elway (or whoever) then it is worth it and I think a trade like that is not out of the question but someone else did raise a good point, how many rookies does Cleveland really need. The team is stupid young as it is. There isn’t even a consensus top QB!! That’s the other point, different teams have different guys 1-4. If it was Peyton Manning at 1 and EJ Manuel as the next best prospect then maybe. These guys graded out incredibly close. That is why no one is paying a big premium. They will take Rosen at 5 or 6 for a fraction of the cost to get to 1 or 2. Just now, billsfan11 said: Oh Ok, my mistake. Heard it was double on the NFL network last night, which must have been an error by Rapoport then. My apologies No need to apologize!! WGR has gotten people so carried away that the real cost has been missing. The Bills can easily get their QB and pick 3 more times in the top 100. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: There isn’t even a consensus top QB!! That’s the other point, different teams have different guys 1-4. If it was Peyton Manning at 1 and EJ Manuel as the next best prospect then maybe. These guys graded out incredibly close. That is why no one is paying a big premium. They will take Rosen at 5 or 6 for a fraction of the cost to get to 1 or 2. As I said,, it the team in question thinks there is one, i dont care about what the consensus is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, PastorMKC said: All I am saying is Dorsey doesn't want to trade #1 but if we get a Ditka offer he would ... That’s why he won’t trade. That’s the point. No one is interested in giving up 3 ones, 3 twos and the top pick in the 3rd when they can score a very similar prospect for a one and 2 twos (which would still be a big premium). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: We are all in agreement that the Browns stay at 1. The fact that Browns fans think that a team will offer 3 ones, 3 twos and the top pick of the 3rd is the equivalent of Celtics fans that think they will get Kawhi or AD without giving up Brown or Tatum. It is absurd how unrealistic people are when it comes to their teams. More AD less Kawhi please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: As I said,, it the team in question thinks there is one, i dont care about what the consensus is. Find me a team that thinks there is a massive gap between QB 1 and QB 2? That is a total hypothetical and not realistic. That’s why I used the Peyton and EJ example. They were thought of TOTALLY differently leading into the draft. The gap doesn’t exist in this class. That doesn’t mean that they will all be good. It just means no one will pay 3 times for Darnold what it costs to get Rosen. 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: More AD less Kawhi please. Ha ha, I’ve seen so many Celtic fans that are like, “I’d take AD for Smart, Rozier and a pick. If they want Tatum or Brown though it is a no go for me.” It’s amazing how delusional people are when it comes to their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Find me a team that thinks there is a massive gap between QB 1 and QB 2? That is a total hypothetical and not realistic. That’s why I used the Peyton and EJ example. They were thought of TOTALLY differently leading into the draft. The gap doesn’t exist in this class. That doesn’t mean that they will all be good. It just means no one will pay 3 times for Darnold what it costs to get Rosen. Ha ha, I’ve seen so many Celtic fans that are like, “I’d take AD for Smart, Rozier and a pick. If they want Tatum or Brown though it is a no go for me.” It’s amazing how delusional people are when it comes to their team. Yes lots of Celtics fans like that. The non delusional Celts fans refer to those guys as “green teamers” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Find me a team that thinks there is a massive gap between QB 1 and QB 2? That is a total hypothetical and not realistic. That’s why I used the Peyton and EJ example. They were thought of TOTALLY differently leading into the draft. The gap doesn’t exist in this class. That doesn’t mean that they will all be good. It just means no one will pay 3 times for Darnold what it costs to get Rosen. Ha ha, I’ve seen so many Celtic fans that are like, “I’d take AD for Smart, Rozier and a pick. If they want Tatum or Brown though it is a no go for me.” It’s amazing how delusional people are when it comes to their team. I cant find you a team because I dont know what ANY team really thinks of any QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: They paid 152%. Not double or anywhere near it. Ya apparently I was mistaken. Heard it on NFL network last night but clearly that was an error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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