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BIlls' Armchair GM: If trade-up price is too high, Go to Foles!


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4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Haven't we had enough of retread QBs as the guy to lead the Bills past mediocrity?   Beyond that, the OP ,like many others, ignores The Eagles situation with Wentz and the value they place on Foles as a cheap insurance policy.  

I agree, I do think the eagles take a qb in round 3 though, especially if a Lauletta or White is there. This without a doubt will be Foles last year w the team and if you can get serious value for him, you need to move him, whether that’s before the season or during. They don’t make this move until they have talent backing up Wentz. 

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5 hours ago, greeneblitz said:

God no, hasen't played like a franchise QB 99 percent of his career.

way off the mark.....discount his time with the awful jeff fisher and rams.......foles was good.....

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If we even trade a 3rd rd pick for Foles I will seriously throw up and eat it. I have pissed off a few of my friends that are Patriots fans by saying "but you guys lost to Nick Foles in a super bowl". It seems to really piss them off and trumps all their BS you lost 4 SB's or win a SB then you can talk saying. If we sign Foles for a high draft pick they will reverse it on me, not a big deal but it would suck giving up a 2nd rd pick for Foles.

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44 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Compare these to McCarron and extrapolate, they're nearly identical.  McCarron has about 1/6 the game experience, but giving up a first for a McCarron clone would seem risky at best.  Foles is a Dow Joneser, probably more exciting than Tyrod, but I'm for giving AJ a shot before coughing up a first for Foles.

hey I am not advocating giving up, let alone the 12th, even the 22nd pick. I am saying let us trade down to 26-31 and then offer that. I suspect the Colts, with all of the draft capital,  might offer that much (maybe two of the Jets' seconds if Luck is not yet throwing).

38 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

The flip side being that if 4 guys go in the top 5 and we don’t get one.... are we better off taking a guy like Rudolph? 

 

As a plan b (or maybe c, d or e) - grabbing roquan at 12, trading back from 22 a little to add assets, and going foles late 1, and then having 5 day 2 picks to address WR, OL and a backup RB wouldn’t upset me too much. I’d be disappointed by not getting a top prospect but happier than getting a second tier rookie 

Thank you. You summarized my long post into less than 3 lines and still conveyed everything I wanted to. I have to learn to post like you.

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1 minute ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

hey I am not advocating giving up, let alone the 12th, even the 22nd pick. I am saying let us trade down to 26-31 and then offer that. I suspect the Colts, with all of the draft capital,  might offer that much (maybe two of the Jets' seconds if Luck is not yet throwing).

 

You must have missed where Roseman and Pederson said they are not going to trade him. 

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ugh foles was good for 1 year and 5 games in Philly and has sucked every other year in the league. Forget a retread qb AGAIN and draft one. If we trade a first for him we will need to extend him and thatll cost us a lot 4 year 80 million at least! this guy has not shown throughout his career that he can be consistently good. Id rather run with AJ and get any of the second tier qbs than trade for foles. Foles was a good story last year but if he was in there all season the eagles would not have won the superbowl. Wentz got them a first round bye and home field through out not Foles. Foles happen to be in the right situation at the right time.

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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You must have missed where Roseman and Pederson said they are not going to trade him. 

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The Eagles seem to value Foles at a higher level than other teams would across the league, and rightfully so following his dominant postseason and Super Bowl performances. It would likely take a team overpaying for Foles, for a trade to go down, particularly now that the market is flooded with veteran quarterbacks and potentially five players at the position coming off the board in the first round of April's NFL Draft.

However, Roseman did have the look and sound of an executive talking up a player to drive up the trade market ... 

 

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/will_eagles_trade_nick_foles_howie_roseman_says_takeaways_fr.html

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38 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

That's old news from February.  They have since clarified where they stand on him at the league meetings in Orlando. 

Umm no.

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-nick-foles-howie-roseman-high-price-tag-trade-nfl-meetings-20180326.html

 

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“He’s still on the team because he’s an incredibly valuable player for the Philadelphia Eagles,” Roseman said. “When you talk about the position and what’s gone on, you’ve seen the free-agent market and the trade market. We’re in the business of making sure we get the right value for the player. And what our value is for the player is going to stick. …We feel very confident [about] what his value is to our football team and, really, throughout the rest of the league. There was obviously interest in Nick Foles because Nick Foles has been tremendously productive in a Philadelphia Eagles uniform.”

 

This does not say they are not trading him. They want the right value for him. 

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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Umm Yes!

 

So Roseman and Pederson said two different things at Orlando.

 

Of course, no team is going to announce they are going to trade a valuable trade chip which will only bring its price down.  Thus it is expected that the Eagles brass sayings will be biased towards keeping him. But reading what Roseman said - looks like they are still open to trading him, albeit for the right price.

 

Why dont we both just believe what we believe and leave it at that?

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4 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

So Roseman and Pederson said two different things at Orlando.

 

Of course, no team is going to announce they are going to trade a valuable trade chip which will only bring its price down.  Thus it is expected that the Eagles brass sayings will be biased towards keeping him. But reading what Roseman said - looks like they are still open to trading him, albeit for the right price.

 

Why dont we both just believe what we believe and leave it at that?

 

They already said what they wanted to move him and no team was willing to pay that. On to the draft!

 

The Philadelphia Eagles wanted a lot if they were going to trade Nick Foles, but coach Doug Pederson admitted Saturday "there wasn't anything coming down our way" for Foles in the trade market.
 
The Philadelphia Eagles wanted a treasure chest if they were going to be tempted to trade away backup quarterback Nick Foles this offseason. Turns out, they didn't get an offer that even piqued their interest, let alone the first-round pick "at the very least" that they were seeking.
 
In speaking with NFL Network's Steve Wyche at the NFL Annual Meeting in Orlando on Saturday, Eagles coach Doug Pederson admitted nothing came his way with regard to a deal for the Super BowlLII MVP.
 
 
"We did not," Pederson said when asked if the team got any interesting trade offers for Foles. "Nothing too crazy. It had to be the right deal for us to do that. But there wasn't anything coming down our way for Nick.
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AJ is younger and no one knows what he brings to the field. I would rather keep the picks if they cant get their guy and stick with AJ, Peterman and maybe a later round QB. They reached for Manuel, they cant do that again. Foles had a decent season and a good playoff run, I wouldn't make him out to be more than he is. This is a guy who was planning on retiring before going back to the Eagles, and who knows, if he gets traded to Buffalo he may pull the plug in a year. We really don't need another Kyle Orton situation? Speculation of course but I just don't feel like he's "the guy". 

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6 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

now that's a stretch

 

Foles record as an Eagles QB (including playoffs):

 

WL 20-11

Completion percent 62%

TD-INT 55-19

QBR 61

He had one good year with Chip Kelly and one decent playoff run with a great Super Bowl.

 

He is Joe Flacco 2.0.  Hard pass if he cost any more than a 3rd round pick and I would never give him 20 mill a year or Flacco mistake money.

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