xRUSHx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Just now, MOVALLEYRANDY said: Keenum ? Yeah whomever the guy they got, lol. Man I hate typing fast and talking to too many at once. Sorry oops again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Other positions have less risk of failure than QB. It has been proven that teams can win without a "franchise QB". Like last year for instance. who won without a franchise QB last year. I could of swore that Philly put a lot of assets into Wentz who played 13 games that season and got them to the playoffs. Unless you don't count the season and only the playoffs.... But make no mistake.. Philly used lots of assets to get multiple QBs over the last few years. Thye were able ot get some assets back but they spent LARGE getting them to begin with 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: I also do not see Giants taking a QB, IMO they want Barkley or will trade out and is why I think Cleveland will take Barkley and then take QB at 4. I do see Denver taking a QB with Cousins as a place holder. I think the Browns have to take a QB 1st. The Giants might love Barkley, but after trading JPP I would be shocked if it wasn't Chubb (or a trade) And the Broncos I just don't see a QB and here's why- John Elway's legacy is not going so well. He has drafted two first rd QB's and not gotten much of anything from them. He only has at best 2 years left to show that he can get them back in the playoffs and competitive. He has what he needs for that with Keenum (in theory). Now he needs to rebuild his old defense and get back to the playoffs. I think Ward, or Fitzpatrick makes way more sense there than a QB does. (a trade also makes sense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: who won without a franchise QB last year. I could of swore that Philly put a lot of assets into Wentz who played 13 games that season and got them to the playoffs. Unless you don't count the season and only the playoffs.... But make no mistake.. Philly used lots of assets to get multiple QBs over the last few years. Thye were able ot get some assets back but they spent LARGE getting them to begin with Another guy who gets it. This isn't 1975. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Two weeks until possibly the most exciting draft in the past 20 years for the Bills, possibly NFL. With that, he's what we know......NOTHING. Honestly, I wanna get this freakin draft over with. I am incredibly tired of reading/hearing about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I want Mayfield/Rosen, 2 LBs and 2 OL in the draft. That is all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Just now, ndirish1978 said: I want Mayfield/Rosen, 2 LBs and 2 OL in the draft. That is all. And a partridge in a pear tree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I think the Browns have to take a QB 1st. The Giants might love Barkley, but after trading JPP I would be shocked if it wasn't Chubb (or a trade) And the Broncos I just don't see a QB and here's why- John Elway's legacy is not going so well. He has drafted two first rd QB's and not gotten much of anything from them. He only has at best 2 years left to show that he can get them back in the playoffs and competitive. He has what he needs for that with Keenum (in theory). Now he needs to rebuild his old defense and get back to the playoffs. I think Ward, or Fitzpatrick makes way more sense there than a QB does. (a trade also makes sense) IMO Cleveland is thinking Barkley won't be there at 4 so might take him first to make sure they get him and a top 3 QB will be available at 4. You really think Chubb, man I just think they will trade out if Barkley is gone and fill in with later round picks. From what I am reading next years draft is when to take top D men and IMO the Giants have needs and will just fill in with more picks from a trade unless a super talent like Barkley is available at 2. IMO Giants are not one to take Chubb with such a high pick. As for Elway I think he will keep trying at QB till he finds one and this draft is one to do it. Keenum is a fill in and If I am not mistaken he only signed a one year deal so either they get stuck with him with zero other options for 2019 or they swing big and have a new top talent QB from this draft to use in 2019. IMO sure the team has needs and Elway needs to win more but IMO if Keenum flops with nobody to take over in 2019 he will be fired as appose to a new start in 2019 with a top talent from this draft. Elway being a HOF QB knows it starts and ends with QB and the 2019 draft class has nothing to offer when it comes to QBs. JMO but man this draft could go in so many ways, I can see what your saying but IMO it will go different then yours and more then likely different then mine.haha. Edited April 11, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: IMO Cleveland is thinking Barkley won't be there at 4 so might take him first to make sure they get him and a top 3 QB will be available at 4. You really think Chubb, man I just think they will trade out if Barkley is gone and fill in with later round picks. From what I am reading next years draft is when to take top D men and IMO the Giants have needs and will just fill in with more picks from a trade unless a super talent like Barkley is available at 2. IMO Giants are not one to take Chubb with such a high pick. As for Elway I think he will keep trying at QB till he finds one and this draft is one to do it. Keenum is a fill in and If I am not mistaken he only signed a one year deal so either they get stuck with him with zero other options for 2019 or they swing big and have a new top talent QB from this draft to use in 2019. IMO sure the team has needs and Elway needs to win more but IMO if Keenum flops with nobody to take over in 2019 he will be fired as appose to a new start in 2019 with a top talent from this draft. Elway being a HOF QB knows it starts and ends with QB and the 2019 draft has nothing to offer when it comes to QBs. JMO but man this draft could go in so many ways, I can see what your saying but IMO it will go different then yours. I don't think they can gamble like that. Obviously one of the top three will be there, but they screwed the pooch (and the dawg pound) so badly the past two years that they just need to cut the crap and pull the trigger. I think Getleman is a throwback and as nice as a runningback is, pass rush wins more games. This is a team that has won superbowls because of pass rush. I just think that's got to be the priority. It's also really important to think about the 2nd pick in the 2nd round. If my priority is pass rusher and running back whose there- Derrius Guice/Sony Michel, or Sam Hubbard/Lorenzo Carter? The value drop is significantly worse for EDGE. Keenum is on a two year deal (with some kind of option) if I remember correctly. I think that if Keenum flops Elway is gone either way so he needs to do his best to make sure Keenum doesn't flop. I don't think they're going to let him have another year just because he has a rookie waiting. Although Elway did keep Joeseph to be his scapegoat, so who knows... It will be a wild one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I just want the Browns to take Allen at 1. If not I want the Giants to keep their pick and take Chubb, then see the Jets take Allen. We slide up to 4 for Rosen/Mayfield. In short I want the Jets or Browns to stop Buffalo from doing Billsy things.?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I don't think they can gamble like that. Obviously one of the top three will be there, but they screwed the pooch (and the dawg pound) so badly the past two years that they just need to cut the crap and pull the trigger. I think Getleman is a throwback and as nice as a runningback is, pass rush wins more games. This is a team that has won superbowls because of pass rush. I just think that's got to be the priority. It's also really important to think about the 2nd pick in the 2nd round. If my priority is pass rusher and running back whose there- Derrius Guice/Sony Michel, or Sam Hubbard/Lorenzo Carter? The value drop is significantly worse for EDGE. Keenum is on a two year deal (with some kind of option) if I remember correctly. I think that if Keenum flops Elway is gone either way so he needs to do his best to make sure Keenum doesn't flop. I don't think they're going to let him have another year just because he has a rookie waiting. Although Elway did keep Joeseph to be his scapegoat, so who knows... It will be a wild one. From some articles I have read Giants are not sold on Chubb and IMO many feel he is good, just not top 5 good. 26 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: I just want the Browns to take Allen at 1. If not I want the Giants to keep their pick and take Chubb, then see the Jets take Allen. We slide up to 4 for Rosen/Mayfield. In short I want the Jets or Browns to stop Buffalo from doing Billsy things.?? Haha, right on man Mayfield is on a bunch of teams radar that are willing to move up for. Edited April 11, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 minute ago, xRUSHx said: From some articles I have read Giants are not sold on Chubb and IMO many feel he is good, just not top 5 good. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000925857/article/giants-extremely-impressed-by-bradley-chubb take it for what it's worth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, Steptide said: Honestly, I wanna get this freakin draft over with. I am incredibly tired of reading/hearing about it. Ha. You really think the end of the draft means it's over? Fat chance. Immeadtly after the pick the people that didn't get the QB they wanted will start making "I'm done" and "Fire McBeane" threads. They will supply us with even more stats to show that Beane was wrong and they were right. After that, we move to preseason, where the rookie QBs we didn't select will have some nice preseason moments against 3rd and 4th stringers. People will continue to point to that and tout how right they were. After that, any time any QB from this draft throws a TD pass there will be a thread made about it. Doesn't even matter how well the guy we select does or doesn't do. Somewhere on this board is someone that still believes to this day that had we taken Matt Barkley or Ryan Nassib we would be Super Bowl contenders at this moment. Guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000925857/article/giants-extremely-impressed-by-bradley-chubb take it for what it's worth. Hey nice find, now this really does open things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, NewEraBills said: I think getting the QB has to be the priority for that reason. The Bills have had it bad at QB but not Limbo status. By Limbo status I mean a guy that doesn't do anything and has you picking in the top 3-5 picks every year. The Browns are the only team who understand QB Limbo. We need to go ahead and get the QB because while we do not have franchise guys, we have guys that do just enough to keep us out of position of selecting a franchise guy. Face it, we are in a rebuild. I can't face it. I still miss Dick Jauron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: I want Mayfield/Rosen, 2 LBs and 2 OL in the draft. That is all. Agree. My hoping is for at least seven picks (We currently have nine, I believe)...... And I have gone back and forth with six QB's over the last few weeks and I really like Darnold, Allen, and Rudolph as people and I don't care for Rosen or Mayfield, as people..... but they are the two that the Bills must be targeting OR just stay put. Edited April 11, 2018 by MOVALLEYRANDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I just did a fanspeak mock draft and came up with this... 12: QB LAMAR JACKSON LOUISVILLE 22: LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH BOISE STATE 53: WR ANTHONY MILLER MEMPHIS 56: G BRADEN SMITH AUBURN 65: C FRANK RAGNOW ARKANSAS 96: TE HAYDEN HURST SOUTH CAROLINA Can't get everything, so the defense had to suffer in the first three rounds. If you call getting Leighton Vader Esch suffering. I think our offense would be on the road to finally having huge play making abilities though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I would be ecstatic if we: - Trade into the Top 4 for either Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen I would be pretty happy if we: - Trade into 6-10 for Baker Mayfield I would be skeptical, but somewhat satisfied if we: - Stay at 12 and get either Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson - Stay at 22 and get Mason Rudolph Anything less, I'm not sure I could walk away from the draft with confidence. I would be very worried that Brandon Beane "settled" for a lesser prospect, and was just afraid to pull the trigger and trade draft capital to land the guy we really wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ges21146 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 What do I currently want to happen? The way I look at it Buffalo is trying to build a team for the future. Having said that, I think it would be a mistake to use up all of their draft capital to get into position to draft a "Franchise" quarterback. Let's be honest, in most cases a rookie quarterback needs to have some quality time behind a known starter to lean the ins and outs of the NFL (otherwise your setting him up to get killed) There is no guarantee that even if Buffalo was to get second pick of the draft that the quarterback would end up as viable long term solution. For example some notable 1st round failures include Mark Sanchez, David Carr, Tim Couch and Tod Blackledge (there are many more) I think that Buffalo made a great decision to get AJ McCarron, he spent a 4 years learning from a capable starter (Andy Dalton), despite not playing much (practice makes perfect) he has been able to amass some respectable stats. Completion Percentage 64.7%, 6 TD with only 2 INT and a passer rating of 93.6 and deserves to be Buffalo's new starting QB, in fact I think he could become "The" franchise QB that everyone is looking for. Now, having said all that, I would like to see Buffalo trade their #12 pick "DOWN" ideally, I would like to see them trade it to the NYG for their 2nd and 3rd round picks. What this would do is give Buffalo one 1st round pick, the equivalent of 5 second round picks (the 1st and second pick in the 3rd round is kind of equivalent to second round picks and a total of 7 count them SEVEN picks in the top 100. Now that is rebuilding a team for the future! Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: We had a good draft with solid contributors last year and I am looking forward to seeing that again. I too am very hesitant with throwing away much of the draft for a QB, especially since I don't see a ton of difference among the top 4. I think we should let the draft come to us. IMHO, not the winning strategy for getting the QB you want. Behaving passively will get us know nowhere, and if we act in this manner we will deserve what we get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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