jr1 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Brady's good in spite of this hippie crap not because of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, stevewin said: You totally missed my point No, I didn’t. Your point was that the Pats know all the plays of the opposing defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: No, I didn’t. Your point was that the Pats know all the plays of the opposing defense. Then why did you say that coaches are doing it with all the young QBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Then why did you say that coaches are doing it with all the young QBs? Because coaches aren’t dumb and know how to read defenses.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Because coaches aren’t dumb and know how to read defenses.. Because the pats actually have been caught cheating, multiple times, including filming other team's practice and pregame walkthroughs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 20 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Lynch to me is a warning about not developing a quarterback. Denver traded up for him knowing he was a project and knowing they had to develop him. They didn't do that. They threw him out there too early and have had tons of turnover in their coaching staff. Now they are probably drafting a guy again, where a guy like Lynch had a better draft grade than a bunch of the guys this year. They have failed miserably at developing him. Maybe he he doesn't have it, but boy that staff has done a terrible job with him. Let these guys sit. I don’t follow the Broncos very closely, but it seems to me that after drafting Lynch in the first round, they haven’t given him a chance, and they don’t really know what they’ve got. Some of that is because of injuries, but now they are reportedly ready to use their 5th overall pick on another QB. Some here advocate drafting a QB every year until you find the franchise guy, but sometimes you can have too many guys in the mix. I think the Jets are another example of this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: Because the pats actually have been caught cheating, multiple times, including filming other team's practice and pregame walkthroughs... Really!? I hadn’t heard of that. Do you think coaches can read defenses without having cheated and filmed walkthroughs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, mannc said: I don’t follow the Broncos very closely, but it seems to me that after drafting Lynch in the first round, they haven’t given him a chance, and they don’t really know what they’ve got. Some of that is because of injuries, but now they are reportedly ready to use their 5th overall pick on another QB. Some here advocate drafting a QB every year until you find the franchise guy, but sometimes you can have too many guys in the mix. I think the Jets are another example of this problem. I feel like they were never really all in on the guy. He got a few chances when he wasn't ready, so he was clearly going to fail. I think drafting a guy and expecting things to magically click is short sighted. I agree with you and I think people need to realize that college quarterbacks are going to take time these days. It isn't worth the investment if you aren't going to be all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Really!? I hadn’t heard of that. Do you think coaches can read defenses without having cheated and filmed walkthroughs? Are you being sarcastic? Because they literally got caught and organized by the NFL for doing it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I feel like they were never really all in on the guy. He got a few chances when he wasn't ready, so he was clearly going to fail. I think drafting a guy and expecting things to magically click is short sighted. I agree with you and I think people need to realize that college quarterbacks are going to take time these days. It isn't worth the investment if you aren't going to be all in. First or second round picks generally get plenty of chances before the team moves on from them. That’s why the Lynch (and Hackenberg) situation doesn’t make much sense. In Lynch’s case, there’s been no regime change either. Edited March 31, 2018 by mannc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 23 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Are you being sarcastic? Because they literally got caught and organized by the NFL for doing it... Yes I’m being sarcastic. I am aware of what they did. My point is that coaches can read defenses without cheating. This whole “the Pats and Brady are good because they cheat” nonsense is old and lazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Yes I’m being sarcastic. I am aware of what they did. My point is that coaches can read defenses without cheating. This whole “the Pats and Brady are good because they cheat” nonsense is old and lazy. Brady and the pats are very good. They were better/are better by cheating. It's not nonsense, it happened, and continued to happen years later, so probably still is. The whole point was he made a joke about it, but you seem hell bent on defending them, so keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Brady and the pats are very good. They were better/are better by cheating. It's not nonsense, it happened, and continued to happen years later, so probably still is. The whole point was he made a joke about it, but you seem hell bent on defending them, so keep it up. How exactly am I defending them? By acknowledging that it happened? Stop being dense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Yes I’m being sarcastic. I am aware of what they did. My point is that coaches can read defenses without cheating. This whole “the Pats and Brady are good because they cheat” nonsense is old and lazy. Just now, Bangarang said: How exactly am I defending them? By acknowledging that it happened? Stop being dense Bold. You literally defended it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Bold. You literally defended it. Alparently the words literally and defended don’t mean what you think they mean. Try harder please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 You know what’s one of the things I hate most about Tom Brady? That people refer to him as “TB12”... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 That whole initials+number thing making a comeback is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 20 hours ago, Bangarang said: They let Brock Osweiler sit for years behind Manning and he still absolutely sucks. There’s no proper way of developing a QB. Guys can sit and suck, start right away and be good or start right away and suck. Or they can suck early, develop and become terrific. There absolutely is a proper way of developing a QB. What they did with Rodgers is a terrific example. https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/13/themmqb-exit-interview-bob-mcginn-green-bay-packers-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-nfl-beat-writer He sucked in his first couple of years, at camp, in preseason and generally. They changed his motion, brought him in for a QB camp and had him keep his eyes open and watch how Favre was with the guys. And he looked like a totally different QB. There are plenty of guys who have improved with development. You're right though that it isn't a guarantee or even close that you can get a guy to franchise level. It's not. Some guys will never be good enough. And some, like Russell Wilson, don't need any time. But plenty of guys can be helped by time on the bench to work on mechanics, study defences, get the playbook down ice cold and get practice reps and mental reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said: Or they can suck early, develop and become terrific. There absolutely is a proper way of developing a QB. What they did with Rodgers is a terrific example. https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/13/themmqb-exit-interview-bob-mcginn-green-bay-packers-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-nfl-beat-writer He sucked in his first couple of years, at camp, in preseason and generally. They changed his motion, brought him in for a QB camp and had him keep his eyes open and watch how Favre was with the guys. And he looked like a totally different QB. There are plenty of guys who have improved with development. You're right though that it isn't a guarantee or even close that you can get a guy to franchise level. It's not. Some guys will never be good enough. And some, like Russell Wilson, don't need any time. But plenty of guys can be helped by time on the bench to work on mechanics, study defences, get the playbook down ice cold and get practice reps and mental reps. There isn’t a proper way because you cite one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: There isn’t a proper way because you cite one example. Um, the fact that it worked shows that there is indeed a proper way. No foolproof way, of course. And plenty of bad ways too, but there are a number of proper ways. And in any case, there've been many who sat and improved. He's the most obvious and best example but it's a pretty common thing. Edited April 1, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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