Albany,n.y. Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 For a team that has picked at the top twice, and 3rd once since their rebirth, the Browns may just be setting records for draft futility. Here's the new Browns 1st rounders since they came back: 1999-Tim Couch (1st player overall in draft) -cut & out of NFL 2000-Courtney Brown (1st overall) -to be cut next week. 2001-Gerard Warren-(3rd overall)-traded for 2005 4th rounder 2002-William Green-on the trading block 2003-Jeff Faine-on the trading block 2004-Kellen Winslow Jr-injured early in rookie year-no factor yet. Instead they could have picked: 1999-Donovan McNabb or Daunte Culpepper (McNabb was #2, I would have picked Culpepper at #1) 2000-Lavar Arrington 2001-Ladainian Tomlinson or Richard Seymour 2002-Ed Reed 2003-WILLIS MCGAHEE 2004-Ben Roethlisberger (If they had taken the right QB in 1999, then-Roy Williams, Jonathan Vilma or Lee Evans) Next time you want to get on TD, just look at Cleveland. Since TD got here his 1st rounders are Clements, Williams, McGahee, Evans & Losman. All are starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BF_in_Indiana Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 See Buffalo Bills 1970-84. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 I'll be interested to see a guy I thought they might look to take last year, Shawn Andrews, to see how he recovered from his season-ending injury he suffered in training camp. Before the injury, he was a monster! I still vividly remember when the Iggles (team that drafted him) played the Titans in the preseason and Andrews simply dominated the Titans' D-line. If he can come back anywhere near that level, Philly will have one heck of an OL, one that the Browns could've taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 For a team that has picked at the top twice, and 3rd once since their rebirth, the Browns may just be setting records for draft futility. Here's the new Browns 1st rounders since they came back: 1999-Tim Couch (1st player overall in draft) -cut & out of NFL 2000-Courtney Brown (1st overall) -to be cut next week. 2001-Gerard Warren-(3rd overall)-traded for 2005 4th rounder 2002-William Green-on the trading block 2003-Jeff Faine-on the trading block 2004-Kellen Winslow Jr-injured early in rookie year-no factor yet. Instead they could have picked: 1999-Donovan McNabb or Daunte Culpepper (McNabb was #2, I would have picked Culpepper at #1) 2000-Lavar Arrington 2001-Ladainian Tomlinson or Richard Seymour 2002-Ed Reed 2003-WILLIS MCGAHEE 2004-Ben Roethlisberger (If they had taken the right QB in 1999, then-Roy Williams, Jonathan Vilma or Lee Evans) Next time you want to get on TD, just look at Cleveland. Since TD got here his 1st rounders are Clements, Williams, McGahee, Evans & Losman. All are starters. 272485[/snapback] these pretzels are making me thirsty.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 For a team that has picked at the top twice, and 3rd once since their rebirth, the Browns may just be setting records for draft futility. Here's the new Browns 1st rounders since they came back: 1999-Tim Couch (1st player overall in draft) -cut & out of NFL 2000-Courtney Brown (1st overall) -to be cut next week. 2001-Gerard Warren-(3rd overall)-traded for 2005 4th rounder 2002-William Green-on the trading block 2003-Jeff Faine-on the trading block 2004-Kellen Winslow Jr-injured early in rookie year-no factor yet. Instead they could have picked: 1999-Donovan McNabb or Daunte Culpepper (McNabb was #2, I would have picked Culpepper at #1) 2000-Lavar Arrington 2001-Ladainian Tomlinson or Richard Seymour 2002-Ed Reed 2003-WILLIS MCGAHEE 2004-Ben Roethlisberger (If they had taken the right QB in 1999, then-Roy Williams, Jonathan Vilma or Lee Evans) Next time you want to get on TD, just look at Cleveland. Since TD got here his 1st rounders are Clements, Williams, McGahee, Evans & Losman. All are starters. 272485[/snapback] I like that name, the "New Browns", kinda' like "New Coke". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 See Buffalo Bills 1970-84. 272486[/snapback] We had a few good ones over that period, but we definitely bombed on: 1970: Al Cowlings 1972 : Walt Patulski (Once referred to as the worst # 1 pick in NFL post merger history) 1974: Reuben Gant 1975: Tom Ruud 1976: Mario Clark 1977: Phil Dokes -not only was he a bust, but he died at a very young age 1978 : Terry Miller -one good year & a cloud of dust 1981: Booker Moore 1982: Perry Tuttle-we even traded up for him to ace out the Eagles, who took the next available receiver, Mike Quick. I haven't included the busts in years when we had multiple 1st round picks & one busted & one was ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 (edited) What about Tampa Bay's track record until about 1998! It seemed that had a top 5 pick every year. Edit: I just noticed in researching T.B.s' draft history that the picked Bo Jackson in the first round in 1986! What the hell did they trade him for?! Edited March 12, 2005 by slothrop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Take a look at the Cleveland drafts since they got their franchise back in 1999. What a trainwreck from top to bottom. I realize the draft is a crapshoot, but you have to hit the jackpot occassionally. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/teams/CLV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdelma Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 WHAT WAS WRONG WITH MARIO CLARK. HE STARTED AND PLAYED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Take a look at the Cleveland drafts since they got their franchise back in 1999. What a trainwreck from top to bottom. I realize the draft is a crapshoot, but you have to hit the jackpot occassionally. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/teams/CLV 272513[/snapback] But....but......but......but........they had Carmen Policy AND Dwight Clark running the team then. How could they fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 We had a few good ones over that period, but we definitely bombed on: 1970: Al Cowlings 1972 : Walt Patulski (Once referred to as the worst # 1 pick in NFL post merger history) 1974: Reuben Gant 1975: Tom Ruud 1976: Mario Clark 1977: Phil Dokes -not only was he a bust, but he died at a very young age 1978 : Terry Miller -one good year & a cloud of dust 1981: Booker Moore 1982: Perry Tuttle-we even traded up for him to ace out the Eagles, who took the next available receiver, Mike Quick. I haven't included the busts in years when we had multiple 1st round picks & one busted & one was ok 272502[/snapback] I had no idea JD Hill was a number 4 overall pick. WOW! http://www.drafthistory.com/years/1971.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Amazing. Looking at that list...Since 1990... Only people I recognize of being good... WR Kevin Johnson WR Dennis Northcutt CB Anthony Henry RB Lee Suggs Thats about it. Granted I dont know alot about some OL...but 4 names of people who are decent in 15 years....OUCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 A lot of people easily get pissed at Donahoe and Co., but we as Bills fan should consider ourselves lucky that we don't have the management Cleveland has... Nate Clements Travis Henry Jonas Jennings Aaron Schobel Mike Williams (still questionable) Chris Kelsay Terrence McGee Willis McGahee Lee Evans JP Losman (we'll see...) Those 1st through 4th round picks collectively are better than the Browns top 10 picks over the last few years. Unquestionably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Are the Browns going in the right direction with Crennel? Seems like a GW kind of hiring... Browns | Crennel's Nephew Hired - from www.KFFL.com Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:32:00 -0800 Mary Kay Cabot, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns have hired Carl Crennel II, the nephew of head coach Romeo Crennel, as the team's offensive quality-control coach. Crennel II comes to the Browns from West Virginia Tech University, where he spent the past two seasons as director of football operations/assistant football coach. West Virginia Tech University? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 I present to you the last 10 years of Kansas City Chiefs Drafts 1994- 25TH overall- rb Greg Hill(played from 94-99. 94-97 with the chiefs 98 with the rams 99 with the lions, career backup) 1995- 31st overall- Trezell Jenkins(who?) 1996- 28th overall- fs Jerome Woods( Crappy player, now will be batiling it out with greg wesley for playing time. Considering that when woods was picked milloy was picked 36th overall. in the 2nd rd they picked Reggie tongue, Brian Dawkins was picked just 3 spots later) 1997- Tony Gonzalez- 13th overall- Ok I'll give em this one 1998- Victor Riley T 27th overall 1999- John Tait- 14th overall. No longer with the team now with the chicago bears. Proved last year that he's not so good without all pro guard and future hof will shiedls next to him 2000- wr- Sylvester Morris- no longer with the team or in the nfl 21st overall 2001- no 1st or 2nd rd pick traded to the rams for 31 year old qb Trent Green. 3rd rd pick- eric downing dt the cuse 75th overall 2002- #6 overall Ryan Sims- really lazy player on a crappy defense. 2003- 27th overall- Larry Johnson(they had more pressing needs than to grab a rb who was #3 on the depth chart even last year, and didn't get to start till holmes went down and vermeil saw he can outperform blaylock) 2004- traded out of the 1st rd to grab junior siavii (you would think that on a defense as crappy as kc he would start, and well you'd be wrong) In the last 10 years of 1st rd picks for the chiefs they have produced Tony Gonzalez and a 31 year old quaterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fla Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 What about Tampa Bay's track record until about 1998! It seemed that had a top 5 pick every year. Edit: I just noticed in researching T.B.s' draft history that the picked Bo Jackson in the first round in 1986! What the hell did they trade him for?! 272510[/snapback] He refused to sign with the Bucs. Played baseball for a couple years,then signed with Oakland. The Bucs got nothing for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fla Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Are the Browns going in the right direction with Crennel? Seems like a GW kind of hiring... Browns | Crennel's Nephew Hired - from www.KFFL.com Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:32:00 -0800 Mary Kay Cabot, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns have hired Carl Crennel II, the nephew of head coach Romeo Crennel, as the team's offensive quality-control coach. Crennel II comes to the Browns from West Virginia Tech University, where he spent the past two seasons as director of football operations/assistant football coach. West Virginia Tech University? 272540[/snapback] Quality control coach is like an intern. The first job for many coaches. Mularkey was quality control coach at Tampa under Wyche. Jon Gruden was Quality control coach in san Fransisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 If you think the Bills were bad - check out San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 I'll be interested to see a guy I thought they might look to take last year, Shawn Andrews, to see how he recovered from his season-ending injury he suffered in training camp. Before the injury, he was a monster! I still vividly remember when the Iggles (team that drafted him) played the Titans in the preseason and Andrews simply dominated the Titans' D-line. If he can come back anywhere near that level, Philly will have one heck of an OL, one that the Browns could've taken. 272491[/snapback] That isn't saying much, the Titans D-line last year wasn't all that great. Kevin Carter hasn't been the same since leaving St Louis, Carlos Hall looks like a one year wonder and the aside from Albert Haynesworth they had a bunch of rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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