Did the Bills get completely screwed on trade compensation last year?

[MJS]

3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

We've talked about this before and some people agree with me, but I really think McDermott shelved the idea of taking a quarterback until he had his own GM and scouts etc in place. Why would he make such a huge decision with Whaley and his scouts when he knew Whaley was gone after the draft? 

 

This is the year for the quarterback. 

 

This makes sense.

[KDIGGZ]

2 hours ago, Manther said:

Houston and KC were about the same quality team when the trade was made.  Injuries hurt the Taxans a lot.

i don't agree at all.  before the season started, i had KC winning about 11-12 games and going as far as the 2nd round of the playoffs and I had Houston winning 7-8 games and missing the playoffs.  here's one of my posts from last year when they made the trade:

 

Posted April 28, 2017

I agree with them. Chiefs will pick around same spot next year. A late 1st round 25th isn't the same as a top 10-15 pick obviously. I think we needed to get a 2nd rounder this year to say we "hosed them." A 3rd is like ehh ok.

 

Cleveland will have pick 1 and a top 15 since they traded with Houston who is going to stink this year.

 

[BillsFan4]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Moved down 17 spots and only got one future 1st? And the the player selected was the 2nd QB off the board. Compared to what we are going to have to give up for moving up 10 spots for the 2nd QB off the board? Is Rosen considered that much better than Mahomes or was Whaley asleep! I know it is to 2 instead of 10 but we also moved to 27 instead of 12.

 

I don't think the QBs last year were as highly rated as the QBs this year.

 

Not sure how you feel about Daniel Jeremiah (IMO he is a pretty well respected draft analyst, although obviously all this draft stuff has to be taken with a grain of salt).

But he has 4 QBs this year on his "top 10 QB prospects for the last 3 years" list, and 2 in the top 3. 

 

He has Darnold 1 and Rosen 3. Mayfield is 5, Allen 6.

Pat Mahomes doesn't even make the top 10. Watson is 7. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000922045/article/top-10-qb-prospects-of-past-3-nfl-draft-classes-darnold-no-1

 

 

Another thing to consider, there definitely didn't seem to be much of any discussion last year of numerous QBs going off the board in the top 3-5 like this year, or any discussion at all of 5 or 6 possible 1st round QBs. Or talks of teams competing with each other to trade up to the top of the draft. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, cba fan said:

The real question is(if all the reports/rumors were correct that Whaley loved Watson and Pegs banged the table for Mahomes)

 

Why McDermott overruled them.

I thought they loved Trubisky

[Manther]

56 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

i don't agree at all.  before the season started, i had KC winning about 11-12 games and going as far as the 2nd round of the playoffs and I had Houston winning 7-8 games and missing the playoffs.  here's one of my posts from last year when they made the trade:

 

 

Nice job with your prediction.  My prediction would have been KC and Houston are about the same.  And, I was similar to Vegas.  Vegas predicted Houston at 8.5 wins and KC at 9.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Moved down 17 spots and only got one future 1st? And the the player selected was the 2nd QB off the board. Compared to what we are going to have to give up for moving up 10 spots for the 2nd QB off the board? Is Rosen considered that much better than Mahomes or was Whaley asleep! I know it is to 2 instead of 10 but we also moved to 27 instead of 12.

 

When the trade was announced my first reaction was, "That's it?"

[KDIGGZ]

52 minutes ago, Manther said:

Nice job with your prediction.  My prediction would have been KC and Houston are about the same.  And, I was similar to Vegas.  Vegas predicted Houston at 8.5 wins and KC at 9.

Good post. I didn't realize Vegas was that far off. Seemed pretty obvious to me who the better team was

[Manther]

27 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

Good post. I didn't realize Vegas was that far off. Seemed pretty obvious to me who the better team was

Well, you were closer than Vegas!  You could have cashed in!  Did you?

 

EDIT: with the cap issues KC had last off-season and the cutting of players I thought they would be closer to 8-8.

Edited March 20, 2018 by Manther

[KDIGGZ]

3 minutes ago, Manther said:

Well, you were closer than Vegas!  You could have cashed in!  Did you?

 

EDIT: with the cap issues KC had last off-season and the cutting of players I thought they would be closer to 8-8.

If I was into betting I might have. I don't follow that stuff. I just assumed most people would be high on KC. Nice defense and playmakers on offense with a decent veteran QB. I think they will take a step back this year with Mahomes but they might be good again in 2 yrs if he can figure things out.

[Manther]

2 hours ago, kdiggz said:

If I was into betting I might have. I don't follow that stuff. I just assumed most people would be high on KC. Nice defense and playmakers on offense with a decent veteran QB. I think they will take a step back this year with Mahomes but they might be good again in 2 yrs if he can figure things out.

I think KC can duplicate what they did last year due to that terrible stretch they had in the middle of the season.  However, their division was weaker last year and should bounce back from weak to possibly strong.  I don't bet either.