oldmanfan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, CountDorkula said: SO you want a good QB, but don;t want to pay for one? Again, your reading comprehension skills are absurdly poor. I would not give a guy with a losing record 85 million guaranteed like Cousins. I was all in on Cousins until I saw that absurd contract. I would have put him in the top three let's say because I thought he and McD would have been a perfect fit. But that contract would have completely gutted our team. And I am all about Beane spending whatever capital he needs to spend IF HE THINKS HE SEES THE GUY HE HAS TO HAVE. Do you get that now? If he thinks Rosen is the guy for the next 10-15 years then do whatever. Throw in picks from next year, throw in Shady. Just now, CountDorkula said: This makes zero sense, team A desperately tries to find a QB and possibly overpays for one because they may not want to build around him? Do you honestly think that Arizona thinks Bradford is their answer. Yet they spent 20 million out of desperation. Hoping he may finally be the guy. It's foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 41 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Rivers and Stafford are very similar. They don’t seem to lift the team like the greats do and can. Rivers has done a bit with nothing quite a few years. His defense tends to be crap, and his receivers' roster kind of rotates a bit year to year. He's very good. I would call good career successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, GG said: Top 10 reasons to delay drafting a QB in the 1st round Levi Brown Levi Brown Levi Brown Levi Brown Levi Brown Levi Brown Levi Brown Levi Brown Levi Brown Levi Brown Brown, Brown,, Levi Brown, baddest man in the whole darn town,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Do we really want to do this? Look how that turned out! Griffin was widely projected to be the No. 2 pick of the draft, but the St. Louis Rams—the team originally holding the pick—had already selected Sam Bradford to be their long-term starting quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft. Wanting to stick with Bradford, the Rams decided to deal the pick prior to the draft, with the Cleveland Browns and Washington Redskins perceived as the most interested bidders. After a brief bidding process, the Redskins acquired the pick by giving the Rams four high-value draft picks over three years: their first-round picks in 2012 (No.6 overall), 2013 (No.22 overall), and 2014 (No.2 overall), as well as their second-round pick (No.39 overall) in 2012 Edited March 19, 2018 by Irv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Irv said: Do we really want to do this? Look how that turned out! Griffin was widely projected to be the No. 2 pick of the draft, but the St. Louis Rams—the team originally holding the pick—had already selected Sam Bradford to be their long-term starting quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft. Wanting to stick with Bradford, the Rams decided to deal the pick prior to the draft, with the Cleveland Browns and Washington Redskins perceived as the most interested bidders. After a brief bidding process, the Redskins acquired the pick by giving the Rams four high-value draft picks over three years: their first-round picks in 2012 (No.6 overall), 2013 (No.22 overall), and 2014 (No.2 overall), as well as their second-round pick (No.39 overall) in 2012 But Carson Wentz has a ring!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Taylor was cost effective, how did that work out? Kyle Orton, Cost effective, Kevin Kolb, cost Effective, Ryan Fitzpatrick, cost effective. No it makes my argument, every other team is trying to build around QB, but fans here are trying to built 1980s lineman football. Also, who are the grossly overpaid? Weren't you all about Kirk Cousins? That is a straw man argument. Those guys were not very good and didn't bring success. That is not an effective or cost effective method. If you fail, it is not cost effective, it is money flushed down the toilet. Remember there are a LOT of high 1st round busts- about 20%. Somehow you have the magic knowledge that your guy won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: That is a straw man argument. Those guys were not very good and didn't bring success. That is not an effective or cost effective method. If you fail, it is not cost effective, it is money flushed down the toilet. Remember there are a LOT of high 1st round busts- about 20%. Somehow you have the magic knowledge that your guy won't. That's not the point. If you operate from a point of FEAR of bust, you're automatically failing. Not trying is not an option. SPEND THE FARM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: That's not the point. If you operate from a point of FEAR of bust, you're automatically failing. Not trying is not an option. SPEND THE FARM. ? i demnad better from this front office. You build success you don’t buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: ? i demnad better from this front office. You build success you don’t buy it. "better." No what you demand is more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Irv said: Do we really want to do this? Look how that turned out! Griffin was widely projected to be the No. 2 pick of the draft, but the St. Louis Rams—the team originally holding the pick—had already selected Sam Bradford to be their long-term starting quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft. Wanting to stick with Bradford, the Rams decided to deal the pick prior to the draft, with the Cleveland Browns and Washington Redskins perceived as the most interested bidders. After a brief bidding process, the Redskins acquired the pick by giving the Rams four high-value draft picks over three years: their first-round picks in 2012 (No.6 overall), 2013 (No.22 overall), and 2014 (No.2 overall), as well as their second-round pick (No.39 overall) in 2012 The other side however is that getting picks does not mean success. From the RG3 trade the rams got 8 players 5 of those players were selected in the first 65 picks. Of those 8 players one became a reliable starter, Alec Ogletree, he just was traded. None of those 8 players are on the team now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: "better." No what you demand is more of the same. Negative - I’ve already lived through gotta draft a first round qb TWICE and TRADING UP to get an overpriced player. All good on that path Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Negative - I’ve already lived through gotta draft a first round qb TWICE and TRADING UP to get an overpriced player. All good on that path Then obviously you learned nothing. Waiting for a QB in a QB poor year is how you get manuel. Do you like Manuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: That is a straw man argument. Those guys were not very good and didn't bring success. That is not an effective or cost effective method. If you fail, it is not cost effective, it is money flushed down the toilet. Remember there are a LOT of high 1st round busts- about 20%. Somehow you have the magic knowledge that your guy won't. Lets look at the Browns and the Bills starting QBs for the past 20 years. The Bills have Had 20 and the Browns 30. 1 Of those was a top 5 pick, Tim Couch. He busted the team lost 4 year finding out he wasn't the answer. That's obviously bad. The teams combined however spent 36 years finding out that 49 late 1st round picks, later round picks, trades and free agents wern't the answer, that is far far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Then obviously you learned nothing. Waiting for a QB in a QB poor year is how you get manuel. Do you like Manuel? No qb class ends up performing the way it was predicted. I’d didnt like losman, didn’t like rg3. know who I like ? wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ben, do your homework, get the guy you can build around without giving up everything you need to build it. That’s my stance if they choose a different path I’ll be sad at what it means about the team and the next 3-5 years Edited March 19, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, joesixpack said: That's not the point. If you operate from a point of FEAR of bust, you're automatically failing. Not trying is not an option. SPEND THE FARM. Let's say they do and draft Darnold. And he is terrible. Can I count on you to be on the board saying it's OK, at least they tried? Or can I count on you to be calling for everyone's head? Somehow I suspect I know the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: No qb class ends up performing the way it was predicted. I’d didnt like losman, didn’t like rg3. know who I like ? wilson, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ben, do your homework, get the guy you can build around without giving up everything you need to build it. That’s my stance if they choose a different path I’ll be sad at what it means about the team and the next 3-5 years You liked those guys before they were drafted. Right. Take a long look in the mirror, you're promoting mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Let's say they do and draft Darnold. And he is terrible. Can I count on you to be on the board saying it's OK, at least they tried? Or can I count on you to be calling for everyone's head? Somehow I suspect I know the answer. If it works, will you be the one admitting you were wrong or never posting again?, Somehow I suspect I know the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: You liked those guys before they were drafted. Right. Take a long look in the mirror, you're promoting mediocrity. So your argument is keep taking the approach we have used for the past 20 years and that is how you avoid mediocrity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Batman1876 said: So your argument is keep taking the approach we have used for the past 20 years and that is how you avoid mediocrity? That's HIS argument. I wanna spend the farm and TRY and solve the QB issue. He wants more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: On top of that this draft has a deep talent pool that will probably push into the 4th rd. I see our picks being more valuable this year because of the talent of players in it. Yeah, my top 5 reasons for not blowing their wad on moving up, some version of this: 12: Vea/Smith 22: Vander Esch (Ridley If Smith goes at 12) 53: Josh Jackson 56: Goedert (or Harrison if Smith is taken) 65: Ragnow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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