Remember when Mitch Trubisky was supposed to be awesome?

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Most of the accounts I have read indicate that if a qb is selected in this draft that a veteran qb will also be brought in to bridge the time until the rookie is better prepared. You have this incessant concern that a rookie qb is going to be skewered and psychologically scarred by the impatient fans. I guarantee you that a rookie qb is going to receive a lot of scrutiny and unfair criticisms. So what! That's part of the environment. Fans having unreasonable expectations are an inescapable part of sports. 

 

If a young qb, or any player for that matter, can't handle the pressure of intense scrutiny, even when it is unfair, then that player doesn't belong in the business. 

 

 

Thank you!

 

Its a defense mechanism. The Bills don't suck, the fans do!

Edited December 17, 2017 by jmc12290

[Real McClappy]

25 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Let me ask you this: Are Bills fans willing to have a 4-12 season, maybe two, breaking in a rookie QB?  You're worried about the COT damaging that poor rookie's psyche. How about thousands of fans and local media ripping him to shreds after losses, questioning if the Bills drafted the right QB, and should they get another in 2019?

 

We get it. You hate Taylor. Fine. We'll get rid of him. (Like we get rid of all the players we get sick of, like Watkins, Wood, Dareus, and soon Glenn.) We can sign a Kyle Orton-type journeyman to transition the rookie. I just don't Bills fans really have the stomach for a rookie QB at the helm.

Yes (well, I'm in) and we won't have a opinion on the matter any longer if our Coaching staff and FO goes this way. Let's support the noob for a couple years and hope he turns into something special.

Edited December 17, 2017 by Real McCoy

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Thank you!

 

Its a defense mechanism. The Bills don't suck, the fans do!

PTR has a tattoo on his arm. It says: It's the fans fault! 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

45 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Both Losman and Edwards had 32+ games starts for the Bills. That was a fair sample size to figure out they both would not make it. 

I think somewhere by the mid 2nd season you can make a fair evaluation. Saying Mitch sucks after 10-11 games is way premature at this point.

 

...wasn't he a one year college starter who came out after his junior year like Sanchez, also going in the top 5?.......kid needs plenty of time to show his stuff which means glad he's not in Buffalo because he'd already be wearing the BUST tag.....read an article post season a year or so ago when Kaep was the discussion (still was in SF)....some NFL exec said 50 games was true window for assessment........

Edited December 17, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[frostbitmic]

Like it or not a 4-12 season next year and the year after will be likely considering all of the young players we'll have.

 

Whether it'll be a rookie QB starting in 2018 or Peterman or some journeyman, they'll struggle as vets like Kyle Williams, Lorenzo Alexander, Cordy Glenn and others will retire or be replaced by all of these draft picks we have.

 

This is or was the year to make the playoffs because the rebuild really begins next year and it'll take 2 or 3 years to get there.

[xRUSHx]

25 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Let me ask you this: Are Bills fans willing to have a 4-12 season, maybe two, breaking in a rookie QB?  You're worried about the COT damaging that poor rookie's psyche. How about thousands of fans and local media ripping him to shreds after losses, questioning if the Bills drafted the right QB, and should they get another in 2019?

 

We get it. You hate Taylor. Fine. We'll get rid of him. (Like we get rid of all the players we get sick of, like Watkins, Wood, Dareus, and soon Glenn.) We can sign a Kyle Orton-type journeyman to transition the rookie. I just don't Bills fans really have the stomach for a rookie QB at the helm.

IMO since you are asking for my opinion here it is.

 

With a rookie you never know what could happen so you calling 2 bad seasons is just a guess. A easy rebuttal for them ripping on a new rookie is to tell them it is the rookie season. Not a excuse for the 4 year development Tyrod got that did not help him one bit. Now 3 seasons with him as the starter and this team could end up the same exact record as when he first got here. Not good enough and teams laughing at making him be a QB.

 

I am sick of my favorite team never being in the talk of the real good teams because of our limited QB. Just make him be a QB. Other teams backups, 3 and out king, captain checkdown. I just want what other good teams have, a franchise worthy QB. 

 

So to continue IMO

If we get one of the top QBs in this draft then no we do not need to get a vet to let him transition. Rookie and Peterman will be on rookie contracts so we can spend that money for other positions so the rookie can have a real good supporting cast right out of the gate, add in 2019 draft and the rookie should be in real good shape in his second season. No more other teams castoffs to build around or have this Tyrod/Fitz  bridge that has no exit.

 

 I would expect Peterman or the rookie starting 2018 and this team having both QBs playing the same system unlike Peterman playing one type of system while Tyrod plays his Taylor made limited system. For a team to be successful you need both QBs playing the same system so when the starter goes down the players get close to the same type of play from the backup. Not like now when Tyrod goes down the WRs are stunted the ball is in their face so quick. IT's time to move on from Rex's QB and Rex in our headlines. Tyrod was trained to play like a backup and still is.

 

Fans have waited long enough for a real QB prospect. The Bills should have drafted Watson but failed staying with Tyrod, are we looking at the Bills doing the exact same thing, picking a later QB while selling Tyrod yet again? This draft is a good draft to move up and grab a top QB prospect, sadly OBD could do the same old screw up of taking a QB later while staying on the bridge that has no exits but a late rounder still needing development....SMH

 

I do not hate Tyrod I just want him gone so this team gets out of the other teams backup QB mantra so this team grows by drafting a top QB prospect worth building around. Build around a real good QB and this team will get better. We need the fire a young rookie has to win over the just wanting a paycheck the last few QBs we have had. Tyrod did not earn half of his pay this year IMO, sadly he plays like a backup but gets paid like a starter.

[ALF]

With all the player turnover and scheme changes this year 7 wins so far is a surprise to me.

[CviewBills]

On 12/17/2017 at 7:18 AM, Commonsense said:

From what I have seen he looks fine. Moves well, stronger arm than I expected, poised in the pocket.

 

Lets play a game, name Chicago's WRs?? He has a bunch of bums out there, learning the game and avoiding injury were the task for 17. So far so good.

 

I'll admit I don't follow the Bears, but I thought Wheaton was pretty good when he played with Big Ben.  I also thought Inman was decent when he played with Rivers, but other than that, I can't say much about the talent around him.  He does have two good receivers in Meredith and Kevin White hurt this year.  Next year he should have a pretty good supporting cast to help him out.

Edited December 19, 2017 by CviewBills

[BigBuff423]

It's way too early to throw in the towel on Mitch, he could very well have a second year ala Goff or Wentz. But, I didn't want Mitch at all and certainly NOT for trading up into the 2nd spot. He might be incredible, very real possibility....but I didn't like his delivery and questioned if it could be tinkered with to result in a permanent resolution that would help him in the NFL. Time will tell, but early returns are shaky at best.