CodeMonkey Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/19/2017 at 7:47 PM, sven233 said: To all the posters that will undoubtedly trash each other in this thread, remember 1 thing..... Just because the new QB failed his first test, doesn't mean that the old QB is good. The fact is, our QB of the future is not on the roster. So, whether you are a Tyrod fan or a Peterman fan, it really doesn't matter. Just because they both are not good doesn't mean you have to fight about which one is less terrible than the other one. Really can't wait for the draft at this point. We need a real QB on this team.....whoever that may be. Also need an offensive line. The primary reason Peterman did so poorly is because he is a pocket passer, and had absolutely no pocket to pass from the entire game. Taylor can use his legs to make up somewhat for that deficiency, Peterman cannot. No pocket passer will be successful on the Bills until the line can create and maintain a pocket most of the time. Until then, you need an escape artist like TT, even with his other flaws. I have to assume that the coaching staff saw enough potential in practices that told them that with protection, Peterman could get the job done. We simply do not know about Peterman yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 17 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: Also need an offensive line. The primary reason Peterman did so poorly is because he is a pocket passer, and had absolutely no pocket to pass from the entire game. Taylor can use his legs to make up somewhat for that deficiency, Peterman cannot. No pocket passer will be successful on the Bills until the line can create and maintain a pocket most of the time. Until then, you need an escape artist like TT, even with his other flaws. I have to assume that the coaching staff saw enough potential in practices that told them that with protection, Peterman could get the job done. We simply do not know about Peterman yet. You can't bring facts to a pissing contest. It's just not allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: You can't bring facts to a pissing contest. It's just not allowed. Speaking of facts, here are two other ones, equally relevant : The most egregious fault in Peterman's start was his response to pressure. Taylor faced an equivalent rush in the Jets game yet threw zero interceptions. Yes, massive improvements to the o-line will better what was seen in the Chargers game, but Peterman will still face pressure. After all, even Dak faces pressure. If Peterman throws up wounded ducks every time someone is in his face, you'll get three interceptions a game, rather than five in a half - but it will still be an issue. "I have to assume that the coaching staff saw enough potential in practices that told them that with protection, Peterman could get the job done." Yeah. And with Minnesota's o-line and weapons, Case Keenum is suddenly an all-pro. With Dallas' o-line and weapons Dak is franchise - until you start whittling away at some of his support, then he looks a bit more human. In the fifteen games when both Watkins & Woods played, Taylor did this : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 ints, so maybe he improves with better support, ya think? You might want to consider the extremely high probability Taylor would outperform Peterman each stage as the supporting cast is improved. Can you really claim any evidence otherwise? Edited November 29, 2017 by grb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) On 11/19/2017 at 6:37 PM, Billsfan1972 said: And that anyone saying otherwise knew nothing about how bad Tyrod is and the stupidity of all the experts who don't watch the Bills....... Explain away....... The 5th round rookie wasn't good. Guys. Pack it up. Taylor is the QB forever. Edited November 29, 2017 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: The 5th round rookie wasn't good. Guys. Pack it up. Taylor is the QB forever. Somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 19 hours ago, reddogblitz said: As did Fitz, EJ, Trent, KyleOrton, Shane Matthews, JP, Thaddeus Lewis, Drew Bledsoe, Kelly Holcombe, Flutie, and Rob Johnson. It was painfully obvious to anyone paying attention in pre season as opposed to Nasty Nate ball washing as so many were. They're probably all better than Peterman lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/26/2017 at 7:05 PM, JohnC said: That so called monumental screw up had no bearing on the game because the Bills were going to lose to the better team regardless who played. Unfortunately, they did have a chance in that game but that's how momentum works. Funny how a game against a 3-6 team at a practically neutral site has become the most unwinnable game ever in the eyes of so many people who were wrong about the merits of starting Peterman over Taylor. Oh those kooky Peterphiles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Unfortunately, they did have a chance in that game but that's how momentum works. Funny how a game against a 3-6 team at a practically neutral site has become the most unwinnable game ever in the eyes of so many people who were wrong about the merits of starting Peterman over Taylor. Oh those kooky Peterphiles. The Chargers are an immensely better team than Buffalo. Our defense couldn't stop their offense. Rivers demonstrated why he is going to be considered for the HOF by the way he carved up our defense. As the Chiefs falter there is a good chance that the Chargers can win that division or get a wild-card spot. The reason why the staff resorted to the rookie is because Taylor was not playing well. That's a fact. I don't believe Peterman is a starting caliber qb now or will ever be. At best I think he can be a serviceable backup. Odds are that the Bills will draft a qb with a high pick. There is a good chance that TT won't even be on our roster next year. If that happens that certainly isn't a ringing endorsement of him by his own organization. That's not only the position of the current regime but it is the same conclusion of the Whaley regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, JohnC said: The Chargers are an immensely better team than Buffalo. Our defense couldn't stop their offense. Rivers demonstrated why he is going to be considered for the HOF by the way he carved up our defense. As the Chiefs falter there is a good chance that the Chargers can win that division or get a wild-card spot. The reason why the staff resorted to the rookie is because Taylor was not playing well. That's a fact. I don't believe Peterman is a starting caliber qb now or will ever be. At best I think he can be a serviceable backup. Odds are that the Bills will draft a qb with a high pick. There is a good chance that TT won't even be on our roster next year. If that happens that certainly isn't a ringing endorsement of him by his own organization. That's not only the position of the current regime but it is the same conclusion of the Whaley regime. That's not the way football works John. There have been weeks where you have to wonder how the Bills hung in defensively against a number of teams they've played.........but they did because they play football one series at a time. That's how the Bills have managed to win or be in most of their games. They are out-talented most weeks and yet have managed to win more than they've lost by playing one series-at-a-time Jauron Ball. The philosophy behind it is that bad teams.......which a 3-6 team has been........will beat themselves if you don't help them. You can pretend the Chargers are actually an immensely better team....like the Patriots.....but they aren't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 13 hours ago, CodeMonkey said: Also need an offensive line. The primary reason Peterman did so poorly is because he is a pocket passer, and had absolutely no pocket to pass from the entire game. Taylor can use his legs to make up somewhat for that deficiency, Peterman cannot. No pocket passer will be successful on the Bills until the line can create and maintain a pocket most of the time. Until then, you need an escape artist like TT, even with his other flaws. I have to assume that the coaching staff saw enough potential in practices that told them that with protection, Peterman could get the job done. We simply do not know about Peterman yet. Explain this away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Explain this away. Because he missed one downfield pass ? Seriously? You are right, I've never seen TT miss on a pass like that. Obviously Peterman had all kids of time all game. He just sucks and is a bust. This proves it. Case closed Edited November 30, 2017 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: Because he missed one downfield pass ? Seriously? You are right, I've never seen TT miss on a pass like that. Obviously Peterman had all kids of time all game. He just sucks and is a bust. This proves it. Case closed What does TT have to do with this play where Peterman had a totally clean pocket despite your claim to the contrary? This play should have exemplified his purported strength as an accurate pocket passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 25 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: Because he missed one downfield pass ? Seriously? You are right, I've never seen TT miss on a pass like that. Obviously Peterman had all kids of time all game. He just sucks and is a bust. This proves it. Case closed Sarcasm?? FWIW - Copypaste hates and I mean he really hates Nate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: That's not the way football works John. There have been weeks where you have to wonder how the Bills hung in defensively against a number of teams they've played.........but they did because they play football one series at a time. That's how the Bills have managed to win or be in most of their games. They are out-talented most weeks and yet have managed to win more than they've lost by playing one series-at-a-time Jauron Ball. The philosophy behind it is that bad teams.......which a 3-6 team has been........will beat themselves if you don't help them. You can pretend the Chargers are actually an immensely better team....like the Patriots.....but they aren't. The better team won on the home field. You and many others are making the assumption because the HC resorted to going with the rookie qb that the results would have been different. In this game it didn't matter. The Chargers' DL, especially Bosa, overwhelmed our OL. With or without TT as the starter the home team, the better, would have won. What you and many others who are taking the same position refuse to acknowledge is that the coach resorted to a qb change for a reason. The starter was struggling and the offense was stuck. I agree with you that the Bills are a team whose roster is lacking talent. Yet they are winning their share of games because they are gritty. That's the point! This is a rebuilding process with its usual ups and downs. They are where they should be. There is still a lot to be done to upgrade the roster, especially at the qb position. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, JohnC said: The better team won on the home field. You and many others are making the assumption because the HC resorted to going with the rookie qb that the results would have been different. In this game it didn't matter. The Chargers' DL, especially Bosa, overwhelmed our OL. With or without TT as the starter the home team, the better, would have won. What you and many others who are taking the same position refuse to acknowledge is that the coach resorted to a qb change for a reason. The starter was struggling and the offense was stuck. I agree with you that the Bills are a team whose roster is lacking talent. Yet they are winning their share of games because they are gritty. That's the point! This is a rebuilding process with its usual ups and downs. They are where they should be. There is still a lot to be done to upgrade the roster, especially at the qb position. THIS IS FROM A TAYLOR FAN!!!! Always a pleasure John (well until we disagree) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: What does TT have to do with this play where Peterman had a totally clean pocket despite your claim to the contrary? This play should have exemplified his purported strength as an accurate pocket passer. If you are basing your judgment on a player based on his first outing then you are being ridiculously premature. Based on your standard the Rams should have traded Goff because he was overwhelmed in his rookie year. What you and others refuse to acknowledge Is that the rookie got playing time because the starter was struggling. The replacement didn't work out. Get over it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Explain this away. What's more egregious was Clay was wide open on the other side and Peterman looked him off. If that was Tyrod, we'd have 20 pages as this is the perfect example why Tyrod stinks. Oh yea Peterman on this play missed the pass badly and a wide-open receiver he looked off...... Also he had one on one and if thrown in the field of play maybe a td too........ Edited November 30, 2017 by Billsfan1972 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, JohnC said: If you are basing your judgment on a player based on his first outing then you are being ridiculously premature. Based on your standard the Rams should have traded Goff because he was overwhelmed in his rookie year. What you and others refuse to acknowledge Is that the rookie got playing time because the starter was struggling. The replacement didn't work out. Get over it! This is all you get from him JohnC. He hates Nate, almost with a passion. other than dozens of embedded tweets from twits. Is there a joke here Web Page Blocked that I am missing? Seriously - why are people quoting broken links ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: THIS IS FROM A TAYLOR FAN!!!! Always a pleasure John (well until we disagree) Brothers in disagreement. The Peterman experiment didn't work out. Too many people are trying to exaggerate its importance by making it seem as if it was a catastrophe that sabotage the season. It simply wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, JohnC said: If you are basing your judgment on a player based on his first outing then you are being ridiculously premature. Based on your standard the Rams should have traded Goff because he was overwhelmed in his rookie year. What you and others refuse to acknowledge Is that the rookie got playing time because the starter was struggling. The replacement didn't work out. Get over it! Been saying the same thing about him since preseason based on his play in college and now in nfl action. He's a marginal talent at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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