Some perspective on Taylor's season so far with a look ahead

[Thurman#1]

Not a problem with the opinion here RF. But I think that what we've seen from Taylor particularly in the wins this year have been improvements noticeably on things people have been looking for him to improve upon.

 

There are folks here who are obsessed with yards. Absolutely obsessed. There are also old folks who are going to dismiss any of the good or amplify any of the bad let Taylor does. I think Taylor is an average NFL quarterback. That's all. I don't think he is spectacular. But he also doesn't suck ass as some folks on here believe.

 

You don't just throw away average NFL QBs without a clear upgrade in the immediate or near future.

 

I guess the rest of the year finalizes what he is. But the 2nd half of the season should help his cause.

 

 

And again, as obsessed with YARDS as some are, I'll say right here that I think his 213 yard performance was one of his 5 best as a Bill.

 

Would you be happy if he were consistently the QB he was against Denver, a great NFL defense, despite "just" 213 passing yards and 2 TDs?

 

I would.

 

 

You don't throw away average QBs. But Tyrod isn't average. He's slightly below average, somewhere around the 20 - 22 neighborhood.

 

And except if the guy is in his first two or three years of his career, getting thrown away is exactly what happens to those guys as teams desperately look to replace them. It's precisely the fate of that group, the group Tyrod is in.

[Real McClappy]

Tyrod Taylor + Sammy Watkins and this team is undefeated this season. They could've still acquired Gaines and Matthews another way, they were both on the block.

 

I'm optimistic about Tyrod's chances the next two weeks against the Bucs and Raiders. We'll see what happens. Besides Shady, his top targets will be Zay Jones (approaching a record number of drops already), Nick O'Leary, Logan Thomas, and Andre Holmes. If we're lucky, an injured Jordan Matthews will be out there, too.

 

But damn, what could've been, if they'd kept Sammy and used a scheme that let Tyrod be Tyrod, basically Mike Vick Jr., and use more rollouts, bootlegs, options -- get Tyrod out of the pocket more with a threat to run, with Sammy deep and Shady with a short/mid route... that would be a tough attack to defend.

I too think Tyrod will play better against weaker D's but time will tell. I'm not huge on Tyrod but think he does have enough to get us to the playoffs with how the D has performed thus far. BUT, giving Tyrod no real deep threat and trading Sammy away was a mistake still IMO that might cost us playoffs this year. The lack of a deep passing threat is hindering his (TT's) performance and our running game as no D respects our deep ball at this point and just basically plays the LOS to stop Tyrod and McCoy. I'm pretty sure if we were all DC's for the NFL we scheme the exact same way on D against the Bills O with our current WR's

 

Don't get me wrong the draft picks are great but I'd personally rather make the playoffs.

 

Could we have landed Gaines (former 6th rd draft pick) with a 4th-5th rd pick with the Rams without losing Watkins? If Watkins stayed would Boldin have played another year?

How badass would have Watkins, Mathews, Boldin, Clay and Zay been? Defenses would have needed to run completely different game plans against the Bills to try and contain our WR's/TE's which in turn I believe would have completely opened up the running game and Offense again.

Edited October 22, 2017 by Real McCoy

[GunnerBill]

1 or 2 Tyrod fanatics does not a cult make. Maybe you should look up a history of cults in the world. There are just as many if not more anti-Tyrod fanatics. I guess those guys are ok and not a cult because its a shared opinion.

There are more than 1 or 2. And no, I have been equally as critical of the people who hate Tyrod.

[Game Manager]

what is a so called fan like you called then?

 

just curious, should be interesting what you come up with.

I'm just here to watch the tank. 2019 is where it's unless Beane drafts like the Cleveland FO.

 

Punting on Watkins and the qb position is what it is, a total bore of a offense.

 

I guess Brandon Beane missed all the Clemson games somehow

[Thurman#1]

Quick quiz question. The four teams Tranplant mentions in his original post as being such terrific defenses ... how many of them are in the top ten of defensive passer rating this year? Any guesses?

Uno.

Cincy at #6.

#6 Cincy 73.3

#14 Atlanta 86.6

#16 Denver 89.5

#26 Carolina 100.0

These aren't four terrific pass defenses. The Panthers have allowed 10 TDs and 1 INT. Together, all four teams have allowed a total of 31 TDs and 11 INTs.

Edited October 22, 2017 by Thurman#1

[JM2009]

 

Quick quiz question. The four teams Tranplant mentions in his original post as being such terrific defenses ... how many of them are in the top ten of defensive passer rating this year? Any guesses?

Uno.

Cincy at #6.

#6 Cincy 73.3

#14 Atlanta 86.6

#16 Denver 89.5

#26 Carolina 100.0

These aren't four terrific pass defenses. The Panthers have allowed 10 TDs and 1 INT. Together, all four teams have allowed a total of 31 TDs and 11 INTs.

 

I think they are all pretty good at stopping the run.

[Royale with Cheese]

Quick quiz question. The four teams Tranplant mentions in his original post as being such terrific defenses ... how many of them are in the top ten of defensive passer rating this year? Any guesses?

Uno.

Cincy at #6.

#6 Cincy 73.3

#14 Atlanta 86.6

#16 Denver 89.5

#26 Carolina 100.0

These aren't four terrific pass defenses. The Panthers have allowed 10 TDs and 1 INT. Together, all four teams have allowed a total of 31 TDs and 11 INTs.

Youve just made things interesting in this thread Thurman.

[1billsfan]

 

Quick quiz question. The four teams Tranplant mentions in his original post as being such terrific defenses ... how many of them are in the top ten of defensive passer rating this year? Any guesses?

Uno.

Cincy at #6.

#6 Cincy 73.3

#14 Atlanta 86.6

#16 Denver 89.5

#26 Carolina 100.0

These aren't four terrific pass defenses. The Panthers have allowed 10 TDs and 1 INT. Together, all four teams have allowed a total of 31 TDs and 11 INTs.

 

 

Tyrod Taylor is just not the type of QB that is a viable long term NFL starting QB which you are building your team around. He is clearly on the path of being the classic journeyman, stop-gap type of starting QB like Fitzpatrick has been throughout his career. Taylor has just not shown the ability to put the team on his back and win the 3-4 close games during a season in which you need your QB to pull off a win using his arm (where are the signature comeback games after 34 starts?). This is not to put him down, Fitzpatrick has carved out a great NFL career and got the most out of his limited abilities.

This is why I think that Peterman will be starting at some point this year. His ability is an unknown and that's why they will want to take a look at what he can do sooner rather than later.

Edited October 22, 2017 by 1billsfan

[JM2009]

Youve just made things interesting in this thread Thurman.

Not really. TT did a nice job overall in the three wins. All of these defenses, or at least three are very good against the run, which doesn't bode well when Matthews and Clay were out last game. I still find it laughable that better QBs can struggle with much better WR corps, yet our QB is supposed to put up vaunted numbers with garbage. For not the last time, with Watkins, Woods, even Clay and Matthews, TT has put up some nice numbers. It has been posted by others.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

It is still weeks away but the True Test will come when we face NEs defense that has allowed 6 straight 300 yard passers.

[xRUSHx]

Grb, Transplant, scott7978, alphadawg, jm2009, John from Hemet, happy days.

 

There's at least 7 in the cult. I'm probably forgetting some.

So much nicer in here using the block feature.

 

 

what is a so called fan like you called then?

 

just curious, should be interesting what you come up with.

This wasn't directed at me but my opinion.

 

Name calling? A so called fan?

 

IMO he is a fan that wants better(like most of us), with the Bills in the longest playoffless loser streak in all of sports he is NOT the only one that wants better from the most important position in the NFL and he is not the only one that can see this group.

 

There is a difference between fans that want more/better then the ones with thick glasses that make excuses and prop up him up with threads and group postings. To compare him to Brady, Cam and so on when most of the QBs they compare to have had big games and playoffs/SBs while Tyrod well you know I'm sure.

 

It's good to have discussions for both sides but we are all fans and all want a trip to the SB.

Youve just made things interesting in this thread Thurman.

He always does, I love his posts Edited October 22, 2017 by xRUSHx

[JM2009]

Right on man, the ones missing I would think are side accounts

 

 

This wasn't directed at me but my opinion.

 

IMO he is a fan that wants better(like most of us), with the Bills in the longest playoffless loser streak in sports he is NOT the only one that wants better from the most important position in sports and he is not the only one that can see this group.

 

There is a difference between fans that want more/better then the ones with thick glasses that make excuses and prop up him up with threads and group postings. To compare him to Brady, Cam and so on when most of the QBs they compare to have had big games and playoffs/SBs while Tyrod well you know I'm sure.

 

It's good to have discussions for both sides but we are all fans and all want a trip to the SB.

He always does, I love his posts

Not you. They win today, instead of enjoying the win, you'll be on here complaining about the QB. When you can't enjoy a win when there are only 16 games each season, that speaks volumes.

[Royale with Cheese]

Not really. TT did a nice job overall in the three wins. All of these defenses, or at least three are very good against the run, which doesn't bode well when Matthews and Clay were out last game. I still find it laughable that better QBs can struggle with much better WR corps, yet our QB is supposed to put up vaunted numbers with garbage. For not the last time, with Watkins, Woods, even Clay and Matthews, TT has put up some nice numbers. It has been posted by others.

Who is saying vaunted numbers? The last time with you? Thats impossible. Youll repeat this 100 more times.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Who is saying vaunted numbers? The last time with you? Thats impossible. Youll repeat this 100 more times.

Who? Himself (300 is vaunted)

The last time ? God I wish.

Repeat 100. Over under is 150.

 

Funny but every QB that has faced NE thus far has reached that vaunted #.

[JM2009]

Who is saying vaunted numbers? The last time with you? Thats impossible. Youll repeat this 100 more times.

I haven't posted much the last week because I'm tired of the whole thing. If the Bills win today, and Tyrod has 200 yards and a decent game, that should be good enough, and enjoy the win. We only get 16 games a year to watch and enjoy. But the wolves will be out after complaining, complaining complaining. After a tough loss, it's understandable, but tired of coming here after wins and it's not enjoyable. The majority are fine after wins, by the way, it's the few that ruin it.

[xRUSHx]

Who? Himself (300 is vaunted)

The last time ? God I wish.

Repeat 100. Over under is 150.

 

Funny but every QB that has faced NE thus far has reached that vaunted #.

I wonder if a thread will be started on such a subject..lol

[Royale with Cheese]

I haven't posted much the last week because I'm tired of the whole thing. If the Bills win today, and Tyrod has 200 yards and a decent game, that should be good enough, and enjoy the win. We only get 16 games a year to watch and enjoy. But the wolves will be out after complaining, complaining complaining. After a tough loss, it's understandable, but tired of coming here after wins and it's not enjoyable. The majority are fine after wins, by the way, it's the few that ruin it.

Coming from a guy who complained even after wins when Manuel was QB.

[HappyDays]

The Cult is real. It is those fans who not only need to be uber positive about Tyrod (which is fine I get that you always want to see your own QB in the best light) but to also denegrate any other young Quarterback for the purpose of pushing an agenda.

You know whats funny is Im guessing most of us on both sides have the exact same future plan for the Bills. Get better weapons on offense, bring back Tyrod and Peterman, draft a new QB somewhere in the first 2 rounds and get a competition going next year. The only disagreement is going to be which QB should we draft and how high should we draft him.

 

Now watch, a couple people are going to chime in and say no way we should bring Tyrod back next year, hes just a RB playing QB, blah blah blah. Tell me which people are in this cult.

[JM2009]

Coming from a guy who complained even after wins when Manuel was QB.

Why bring up EJ? And we have to go back three years and one month for his last win. I remember being very happy after the Bills win against the bears, by the way. And Miami too.

[xRUSHx]

You know whats funny is Im guessing most of us on both sides have the exact same future plan for the Bills. Get better weapons on offense, bring back Tyrod and Peterman, draft a new QB somewhere in the first 2 rounds and get a competition going next year. The only disagreement is going to be which QB should we draft and how high should we draft him.

 

Now watch, a couple people are going to chime in and say no way we should bring Tyrod back next year, hes just a RB playing QB, blah blah blah. Tell me which people are in this cult.

Many don't want Tyrod back because that money can be used on other positions/better QB and why bring him back when he has already lost the job. To have him around would have the few pushing for him to return, IMO this needs to be his last season, time to move on to better things. Edited October 22, 2017 by xRUSHx