Watkins_deep Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I see where you're coming from, but the same was said about Terrell Suggs. All he has done since coming into the NFL is dominate.Its not even a relevant comparison because barnett was sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Its not even a relevant comparison because barnett was sick And did even worse at his Pro Day, more than 6 weeks later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Barnett is what we wish Lawson would become, I'm afraid the pick would be to redundant for GM on a slippery slope. Lucky for us the slippery GM doesn't get the final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Challenge accepted! Alright Blokes, what is it about Derek Barnett, Taco Charlton & Charles Harris that has you giving them less than 1st round grades? Since, unlike some others, you asked nicely, I'm happy to oblige because I'm a lovely fella I've already gone into the athletic restrictions on Barnett which is a big part of why he's outside the 1st round for me. He's also a snap jumper and lines up offside a ton (which isn't always called). As Gunner said, his hands are really impressive (up there with Jon Allen for sheer brutality) and he plays with a high motor. I think he can be a 6-8 sack type of guy but I'm not investing a premium pick into that type of player. Taco is an interesting player because he's got really solid hands and he has the length that allows him room to work them. I think he's still fundamentally quite raw but he's not at the peak of his powers yet. He can be a quality speed-to-power rusher from the LDE spot but I don't see a lot of bend with him. He needs to develop some consistency with his counters because he has to win with power/technique rather than with athletic ability. Can be a really good player by Year 2-3 but his body of work leaves him as a project for now. If he made it to 44, I'd bite your hand off for him. Harris is the one I struggle with the most because the coaching changed at Mizzou last year and he struggled. He was well taught under Craig Kuligowski until the end of 2015 so you hope that he's not a problem child buying into a new system. His spin move is the trump card but his testing was borderline atrocious (even with his improvement at his Pro Day, it was only comparable to Yannick Ngakoue). He definitely plays faster/more agile than he tests though. Like Ngakoue (8 sacks as a rookie), I think he's fairly one-dimensional for now and suited to being a designated pass rusher. I think he's scheme-versatile as well, which boosts his stock. Just because I don't have a 1st rounder on a player doesn't mean that I hate him. It's just that athleticism on the edge matters and I can't take Barnett/Harris really early because they fall short of certain benchmarks. That's not to say that they can't be good players and, if I'm wrong on them, I'll admit to my mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Since, unlike some others, you asked nicely, I'm happy to oblige because I'm a lovely fella I've already gone into the athletic restrictions on Barnett which is a big part of why he's outside the 1st round for me. He's also a snap jumper and lines up offside a ton (which isn't always called). As Gunner said, his hands are really impressive (up there with Jon Allen for sheer brutality) and he plays with a high motor. I think he can be a 6-8 sack type of guy but I'm not investing a premium pick into that type of player. Taco is an interesting player because he's got really solid hands and he has the length that allows him room to work them. I think he's still fundamentally quite raw but he's not at the peak of his powers yet. He can be a quality speed-to-power rusher from the LDE spot but I don't see a lot of bend with him. He needs to develop some consistency with his counters because he has to win with power/technique rather than with athletic ability. Can be a really good player by Year 2-3 but his body of work leaves him as a project for now. If he made it to 44, I'd bite your hand off for him. Harris is the one I struggle with the most because the coaching changed at Mizzou last year and he struggled. He was well taught under Craig Kuligowski until the end of 2015 so you hope that he's not a problem child buying into a new system. His spin move is the trump card but his testing was borderline atrocious (even with his improvement at his Pro Day, it was only comparable to Yannick Ngakoue). He definitely plays faster/more agile than he tests though. Like Ngakoue (8 sacks as a rookie), I think he's fairly one-dimensional for now and suited to being a designated pass rusher. I think he's scheme-versatile as well, which boosts his stock. Just because I don't have a 1st rounder on a player doesn't mean that I hate him. It's just that athleticism on the edge matters and I can't take Barnett/Harris really early because they fall short of certain benchmarks. That's not to say that they can't be good players and, if I'm wrong on them, I'll admit to my mistakes. Sounds to me that you are just regurgitating media rankings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Sounds to me that you are just regurgitating media rankings...Pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Sounds to me that you are just regurgitating media rankings... Draft week is a good time to be a corporate shill. Brother is making some serious coin Pretty much Explain to me how I'm doing that when I'm lower on half a dozen pass rushers than the media is. If anything, accuse me of being contrarian for the sake of it. Neither are true but that one makes sense at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) Draft week is a good time to be a corporate shill. Brother is making some serious coin Explain to me how I'm doing that when I'm lower on half a dozen pass rushers than the media is. If anything, accuse me of being contrarian for the sake of it. Neither are true but that one makes sense at least. The point is you think I'm serious. I come on these message boards for fun and because I live in NC and need somewhere to talk bills. More often than not we run into the Internet tough guys who feel the need to protect their opinion as if it's their first born. However, I find it hard to take someone serious when they call me "son" and tell me to wind down my neck... Edited April 26, 2017 by BillsFan17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 The poem is you think I'm serious. I come on these message boards for fun and because I live in NC and need somewhere to talk bills. More often than not we run into the Internet tough guys who feel the need to protect their opinion as if it's their first born. However, I find it hard to take someone serious when they call me "son" and tell me to wind down my neck... I've written on prospects for a few years, having been paid to do so. You're damn right I take my opinion and what I put out seriously. I take pride in putting time into watching prospects because it's something I enjoy. I started doing it when I suffered badly with depression and needed a hobby to keep myself from being bored. I take any and all comments that I don't watch players as an insult. When others asked for explanations, I gave them. You waded in acting like an idiot and talking down to you is all you deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I've written on prospects for a few years, having been paid to do so. You're damn right I take my opinion and what I put out seriously. I take pride in putting time into watching prospects because it's something I enjoy. I started doing it when I suffered badly with depression and needed a hobby to keep myself from being bored. I take any and all comments that I don't watch players as an insult. When others asked for explanations, I gave them. You waded in acting like an idiot and talking down to you is all you deserved. Talk down to me? On a message board. If you had an ounce of professionalism for someone who gets paid for their prosecution reviews... I mean, yeah, go ahead "talk down to me." I'll go ahead and wind down my neck... lmao do you buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Talk down to me? On a message board. If you had an ounce of professionalism for someone who gets paid for their prosecution reviews... I mean, yeah, go ahead "talk down to me." I'll go ahead and wind down my neck... lmao do you buddy He's a lawyer too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 He's a lawyer too?Terrific, what does that have to do with coming onto a message board and acting like that? I have drunkenly interacted with various media members making far more outlandish statements and goofing off and I can't recall any of them calling me son or telling me to wind down my neck. If anything they brush it off or understand the context of the comments. I have no idea who watches film, who watches YouTube, who copy and pastes various media out lets, etc... Therefore, if my comment on a buffalo bills message board rubs you the wrong way, you can either ignore it or if you want that big time clout ON A MESSAGE BOARD... maybe you don't use terminology like wind down your neck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Terrific, what does that have to do with coming onto a message board and acting like that? I have drunkenly interacted with various media members making far more outlandish statements and goofing off and I can't recall any of them calling me son or telling me to wind down my neck. If anything they brush it off or understand the context of the comments. I have no idea who watches film, who watches YouTube, who copy and pastes various media out lets, etc... Therefore, if my comment on a buffalo bills message board rubs you the wrong way, you can either ignore it or if you want that big time clout ON A MESSAGE BOARD... maybe you don't use terminology like wind down your neck? I have never wound down my neck, doesn't sound therapeutic at all. Your disposition might improve if you do hit the Zima, just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 He is a solid player,13 sacks past season. I would not cry about it.I`m starting to lean towards Reddick or Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Talk down to me? On a message board. If you had an ounce of professionalism for someone who gets paid for their prosecution reviews... I mean, yeah, go ahead "talk down to me." I'll go ahead and wind down my neck... lmao do you buddy All I did was offer an opinion, just like I do on most prospects/topics. I'm happy to explain myself if anyone has a question. After all, I'm the sad !@#$er that watches a ton of CFB and gets his rocks off from message board notoriety I don't think I'm some big shot, I'm the most self-deprecating guy around these parts and crack jokes about my failed evaluations regularly. Some people here appreciate my thoughts and I provide them. If you don't, that's wonderful. Healthy disagreement is a beautiful thing. You're absolutely within your rights to disagree, I merely don't take kindly to the way you approached this. Perhaps I shouldn't respond in kind but, frankly, I don't care enough to bite my tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) All I did was offer an opinion, just like I do on most prospects/topics. I'm happy to explain myself if anyone has a question. After all, I'm the sad !@#$er that watches a ton of CFB and gets his rocks off from message board notoriety I don't think I'm some big shot, I'm the most self-deprecating guy around these parts and crack jokes about my failed evaluations regularly. Some people here appreciate my thoughts and I provide them. If you don't, that's wonderful. Healthy disagreement is a beautiful thing. You're absolutely within your rights to disagree, I merely don't take kindly to the way you approached this. Perhaps I shouldn't respond in kind but, frankly, I don't care enough to bite my tongue. Hey, free speech, do you. I am not saying you aren't entitled to pop off at any given time. Doesn't bother me one bit. Clearly you were offended, I didn't think for a second that would be interupted to that extent. I say absurd stuff all the time, I figured most would remember me from BBMB. Member there since back in '04 (BillsFan, no 17 on the end at BBMB) so I was pretty well known in regards to my types of posts. The draft season tends to bring out all sides of people it seems. Hell, watch this tho, I'll even apologize if I offended you. I don't need any Internet validation. I will apologize if what I said bothered you to that extent. Edited April 26, 2017 by BillsFan17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 For the Bills NO.... But I do believe he will be the 10th pick. As of now I feel the Saints want him. Bills will look to trade down and this will be the reason why, a team jumping the Saints to get Barnett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 For the Bills NO.... But I do believe he will be the 10th pick. As of now I feel the Saints want him. Bills will look to trade down and this will be the reason why, a team jumping the Saints to get Barnett. I had the Saints going with one of the OSU corners. However, I feel like Conley might drop with these ALLEGATIONS against him. Now I have Harris out of Mizzu. I think Barnett could end up going as high as four to the Jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins_deep Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 And did even worse at his Pro Day, more than 6 weeks later. bad hamstring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Hey, free speech, do you. I am not saying you aren't entitled to pop off at any given time. Doesn't bother me one bit. Clearly you were offended, I didn't think for a second that would be interupted to that extent. I say absurd stuff all the time, I figured most would remember me from BBMB. Member there since back in '04 (BillsFan, no 17 on the end at BBMB) so I was pretty well known in regards to my types of posts. The draft season tends to bring out all sides of people it seems. Hell, watch this tho, I'll even apologize if I offended you. I don't need any Internet validation. I will apologize if what I said bothered you to that extent. I was a prick on BBMB for a long time with insults and infractions galore. I've held myself in check a lot better here because I love having a place to get into discussions and debates. This **** gets old real fast these days Chalk it up to experience for both of us. No hard feelings on my part but you got under my skin fast with that. One of the few things that gets my back up and brings out the hostility. I don't have much but my word is something I take pride in. I'll know better for next time. It's just difficult to pick up context through text and I probably jumped the gun, so I'm sorry for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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