jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Based on my eyes. Tyrod adds more to the position with his legs, contributes immensely to the run game. He has a better arm and much better deep ball then those two and it's not even close. Siemian had a shoulder injury last year. QB's need to throw more than go patterns and outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Tyrod is protected by the NFL's top rushing offense... Huh... and all this time I thought QBs rushing yards and TDs were factored into that. Guess I was mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Huh... and all this time I thought QBs rushing yards and TDs were factored into that. Guess I was mistaken. They are. But don't tell me that Lesean need TT. It's the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 Based on what? Tyrod is protected by the NFL's top rushing offense and is not asked to do as much as other QB's. When he is called upon to make plays in a 2 minute drive or the 4th quarter he wilts. Protected? TT is a big reason why the Bills lead the league in rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Protected? TT is a big reason why the Bills lead the league in rushing. Not this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 They are. But don't tell me that Lesean need TT. It's the other way around. lol Miami game offense puts up 600 yards of offense. That Jets game without TT, the entire offense was putrid. But TT plays no part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 lol Miami game offense puts up 600 yards of offense. That Jets game without TT, the entire offense was putrid. But TT plays no part in it. Who cares about the Jets game. Bills team quit after Ryan was fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 Not this again. Over 1000 yards rushing and 10 rushing TDs are meaningless, I know. Who cares about the Jets game. Bills team quit after Ryan was fired. They quit because their starting QB, after having the best game of his career, was benched, which showed the organization didn't want to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Over 1000 yards rushing and 10 rushing TDs are meaningless, I know. Why are you adding up years? Just post stats for one year at a time. Over 1000 yards rushing and 10 rushing TDs are meaningless, I know. They quit because their starting QB, after having the best game of his career, was benched, which showed the organization didn't want to win. Who cares. This team with TT failed over and over and over and over. They never won when they needed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 They are. But don't tell me that Lesean need TT. It's the other way around. Welcome to the No Facts Zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Welcome to the No Facts Zone. Yes, it's where the TT fans live. Lesean McCoy is a far better RB than TT is a QB. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) I think we tend to discount articles based on bad sources when they don't fit our own narratives. I think we believe them when they fit the picture we've already formed in our minds. And that, I'm guessing, is what's happening here. I think a lot of us want to believe Rex was a dysfunctional coach because that would imply the talent on the roster was better than 7-9. So maybe McD has enough to work with to lead us to the playoffs. Come on, man. You're right that sources sometimes give wrong or misleading info. But none of your theoreticals there, Sully, etc. would be considered a well-placed Bills source. Don't care? Fair enough. But pretending that any unnamed source isn't credible isn't any more reasonable than insisting that any report with a source is absolutely correct. I don't have a high opinion of sport media. I think a writer in NY may indeed considered a BN writer "a well-placed source." If the source was inside the organization, I think he probably would have said so. But, you're right, the source could be a very good one. Maybe a player. I just wouldn't make an assumption one way or the other. I think a lot like the Tyrod articles - the "truth" is somewhat hidden by the bias of the writer and the bias of the reader. I personally did not like the Rex hire from the beginning - I thought he was a joke coach in NY and did not want the clown show in Buffalo. I also recognize that he is a larger than life personality and he really speaks to the mentality of a small town die hard fan. I do not know if this article is 100% true, but it really seems to fit into Rex mentality and Rob feeds that more than anything. I think the thought process of the article is pretty spot on and as people said before last season started - maybe having Rob on board would free Rex up to actually be a HC and not a higher paid DC, but it also feeds into his baser desires to do crazy things like go to a baseball game days before a football weekend. There's been other hints that the D was screwed up by too many cooks in the kitchen, players receiving contradictory instructions, etc. So I do think there's probably a core of truth to the article. But I think the 'run of the place' and 'co-head coach' remarks are maybe over the top. But who knows? I'll bet the source is Rex himself. This would be funny. Rex spreads the story that he fell on his own sword in an effort to save his brothers career. "I love my brother and wanted to give him a chance to reestablish himself." Fraternal loyalty at it's finest! Rex isn't actually a bad coach. He's a selfless, suffering altruist! Edited April 10, 2017 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Welcome to the No Facts Zone. 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 This article should not be a surprise to anyone. What it does show is the incompetence and useless staff at the Buffalo News. Skurski, Sullivan who have such little insight, little concern other than laziness. There is no one on this board who did not see Rex gaining weight. There is no Bills fans that did not know the brotherhood of the Ryan's was more important than the Bills. Does It really take a national reporter to undercover the underlying issues. Come on Sullivan, you should be totally embarrassed. Somehow I think it is less naïveté and more ax to grind. Rex talked to the press. Pegula and Whaley have publicly exhibited their disdain for local media. IMO, in response the media has adopted an "eviscerate you in fiction", or at least in half-truths and petty attacks, approach to their interactions with DW and TP, and to a lesser extent even KP. So much so that, at the time of his firing, they were trying to paint Rex as a sympathetic figure whose firing was a sign of the dysfunction at OBD, instead of the more realistic and obvious view that his presence was in large part responsible for it, supported by the mess he left in NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I think we tend to discount articles based on bad sources when they don't fit our own narratives. I think we believe them when they fit the picture we've already formed in our minds. And that, I'm guessing, is what's happening here. I think a lot of us want to believe Rex was a dysfunctional coach because that would imply the talent on the roster was better than 7-9. So maybe McD has enough to work with to lead us to the playoffs. I don't have a high opinion of sport media. I think a writer in NY may indeed considered a BN writer "a well-placed source." If the source was inside the organization, I think he probably would have said so. But, you're right, the source could be a very good one. Maybe a player. I just wouldn't make an assumption one way or the other. There's been other hints that the D was screwed up by too many cooks in the kitchen, players receiving contradictory instructions, etc. So I do think there's probably a core of truth to the article. But I think the 'run of the place' and 'co-head coach' remarks are maybe over the top. But who knows? This would be funny. Rex spreads the story that he fell on his own sword in an effort to save his brothers career. "I love my brother and wanted to give him a chance to reestablish himself." Fraternal loyalty at it's finest! Good points. Rex failed here but let's not pretend he was the only problem. The roster was very thin last year and when a few injuries happened Bills were in deep trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Agreed on the last part. I think the ****ty defense and ****ty coaching played a bigger part in that then Tyrod did. Defense not good enough. Coaching not good enough. Quarterback not good enough. No point in trying to get into percentage of blame. Time to make it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 The defense was putrid. Tyrod was not. Depends what you expect. I don't grade my starting QB based on EJ Manuel. Unfortunately, because of Manuel a lot of Bills fans are grading the QB on a curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 This is rather amusing. Someone with the name FireChan would be willing to keep Rex. Oh well, we all go off the rails once in a while. I was thinking the same thing until I realized that FireChan was joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Rex never had his heart in it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I thought it would be a terrible look to dump Rex after a year. I also bought the line that he wasn't "running his real defense" yet. Fair enough. I'd have fired him at the end of year 1. I was done with him after the Jags game here in London. I know the EJ turnovers and the phantom PI, and the no call on the hold on Hughes, played a part but they started inside their own 10, Bortles had done nothing since half time and Rex called 3 man rush almost every snap. It was atrocious coaching. If I was the owner the mind would have been made up that day - this was not the same Rex Ryan who earned a reputation as one of the most feared DCs in the game. That Rex was gone, we had an imposter. I'd have let him coach out the year and given him his cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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