jeffismagic Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 There's no doubt in my mind that he's going to be a stud. You can tell when you watch him play that he loves football, that he's got a non stop motor, and to top it all off he's a freak athlete. In 3-4 years when he's in the prime of his career, and he's filled out his body, he's going to be wrecking the NFL. I wanted JJ Watt over Marcel Dareus 6 years ago. People called me crazy. JJ's performance against Ohio State and his test scores at the combine (one of the most freakish performances ever) did it for me. High floor, with an unlimited ceiling. I don't want to miss again. This guy is going to be an elite NFL pass rusher for the next decade. He's a guy you build your defense around (think Von Miller, Demarcus Ware and Clay Matthews). Where would you take him in this draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 2nd round ok but he won't be BPA at 10 He's going to be a top 16 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 There's no doubt in my mind that he's going to be a stud. You can tell when you watch him play that he loves football, that he's got a non stop motor, and to top it all off he's a freak athlete. In 3-4 years when he's in the prime of his career, and he's filled out his body, he's going to be wrecking the NFL. I wanted JJ Watt over Marcel Dareus 6 years ago. People called me crazy. JJ's performance against Ohio State and his test scores at the combine (one of the most freakish performances ever) did it for me. High floor, with an unlimited ceiling. I don't want to miss again. This guy is going to be an elite NFL pass rusher for the next decade. He's a guy you build your defense around (think Von Miller, Demarcus Ware and Clay Matthews). When I think TJ Watt, I don't think I'll ever think Von Miller. He may be a good/great player, but I don't think he'll ever measure up to Von Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 He's going to be a top 16 pick. Where would he play in Buffalo? In our 4-3 scheme we generate pass rush with our front 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan in MD Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 If he's related to JJ, which he is, then I want him. Would be awesome if he could channel the bloodlines. Also make him make his brother come here please. Hmm. I'd comment further, but I'm too busy watching Jeffrey and Marcus Jordan dominate the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Where would he play in Buffalo? In our 4-3 scheme we generate pass rush with our front 4. He's some way short of McDermott's weight profile at DE too. Got to know what the coach likes and a 252-pound DE ain't that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 When I think TJ Watt, I don't think I'll ever think Von Miller. He may be a good/great player, but I don't think he'll ever measure up to Von Miller Why not? Athletically they're essentially the same guy. Von Miller Forty time - 4.53 seconds Bench press - 21 reps Vertical - 37 inches 3-Cone - 6.7 seconds Short shuttle - 4.06 seconds Demarcus Ware Forty time - 4.65 seconds Bench press - 26 reps Vertical - 38 inches 3-Cone - 6.83 seconds Short shuttle - 4.09 seconds Clay Matthews Forty time - 4.67 seconds Bench press - 23 reps Vertical - 35.5 inches 3-Cone - 6.9 seconds Short shuttle - 4.18 seconds TJ Watt Forty time - 4.69 seconds Bench press - 21 reps Vertical 37 inches 3-cone - 6.79 seconds Short shuttle - 4.16 seconds Where would he play in Buffalo? In our 4-3 scheme we generate pass rush with our front 4. Defensive End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 He's some way short of McDermott's weight profile at DE too. Got to know what the coach likes and a 252-pound DE ain't that. Not saying if we had an elite smaller pass rusher he wouldn't play just that he is not a scheme fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 There's no doubt in my mind that he's going to be a stud. You can tell when you watch him play that he loves football, that he's got a non stop motor, and to top it all off he's a freak athlete. In 3-4 years when he's in the prime of his career, and he's filled out his body, he's going to be wrecking the NFL. I wanted JJ Watt over Marcel Dareus 6 years ago. People called me crazy. JJ's performance against Ohio State and his test scores at the combine (one of the most freakish performances ever) did it for me. High floor, with an unlimited ceiling. I don't want to miss again. This guy is going to be an elite NFL pass rusher for the next decade. He's a guy you build your defense around (think Von Miller, Demarcus Ware and Clay Matthews). I also wanted Watt, wanted to trade down for him. One of my favorite players along with Kuechly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Why not? Athletically they're essentially the same guy. Von Miller Forty time - 4.53 seconds Bench press - 21 reps Vertical - 37 inches 3-Cone - 6.7 seconds Short shuttle - 4.06 seconds Demarcus Ware Forty time - 4.65 seconds Bench press - 26 reps Vertical - 38 inches 3-Cone - 6.83 seconds Short shuttle - 4.09 seconds Clay Matthews Forty time - 4.67 seconds Bench press - 23 reps Vertical - 35.5 inches 3-Cone - 6.9 seconds Short shuttle - 4.18 seconds TJ Watt Forty time - 4.69 seconds Bench press - 21 reps Vertical 37 inches 3-cone - 6.79 seconds Short shuttle - 4.16 seconds Defensive End. From his scouting report, his pressure comes from relentless effort and hand techniques. Von Miller is a quick twitch explosive guy....the opposite according to Watts scouting report. A few times at the combine that are similar doesn't mean they are the same athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) From his scouting report, his pressure comes from relentless effort and hand techniques. Von Miller is a quick twitch explosive guy....the opposite according to Watts scouting report. A few times at the combine that are similar doesn't mean they are the same athlete. Their combine numbers say they're both quick twitch, explosive guys. The guys who post these type of numbers pretty much always go on to become elite NFL pass rushers. "Low risk" guys are low risk because they work out all the time. Edited March 15, 2017 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Their combine numbers say they're both quick twitch, explosive guys. The guys who post these type of numbers pretty much always go on to become elite NFL pass rushers. "Low risk" guys are low risk because they work out all the time. So the scouting report is wrong? If he's low risk and fast twitch...why isn't he going top 5? Edited March 15, 2017 by Teeflebees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 We have more pressing needs at 10 & 44. If I'm the GM, I'm passing. DE is actually one of our few strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) So the scouting report is wrong? If he's low risk and fast twitch...why isn't he going top 5? Why wasn't JJ Watt the #1 overall pick? He was also described as an effort guy who lacked athleticism and agility. WEAKNESSES Won't consistently get the edge on tackles with his get off or quickness. Plays high at times, can be blown off the ball by the double team, but does fight hard to hold ground. Lacks some lateral mobility both rushing the passer and playing in space. Will occasionally give up outside contain. The weaknesses section of his report was dead wrong. Scouting reports are often wrong. That's why 1st round picks bust and late round picks can be successful. Test scores don't lie (and I'm not saying they're the be all, end all for every position). You don't put up elite numbers across the board if you're not an elite athlete. Edited March 15, 2017 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaLoko Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I want this guy. 6'4, 252 with room to get bigger and stronger. His test scores were ridiculous at the combine (just like his brother). At that size, a 6.79 three cone and 4.13 short shuttle are insane. On the old Message Board there was a formula that predicted pass rusher success in the NFL, he winds up the in category of "low risk". He checks the sub 7 second three cone, he checks the twitch rating, and he's on the cusp of cracking the explosive power rating. To put things in perspective, his scores are pretty close to being on par with guys like Demarcus Ware and Von Miller. Watt's movement skills are truly in elite company relative to other edge rushers. This guy is going to be a 10+ sack a year player in the NFL. I know Defensive End isn't technically a "need", but if this guy is a perennial Pro Bowler for the next decade (which his test scores suggest is likely), then we should be considering him. I don't care where he's currently being projected, this guy looks like he's going to be a special player who you can build a defensive line around. This may be a rare case where big bro teaches him skills with success, combined with genetics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) While TJ Watt and Von Miller had comparable numbers in their final college seasons: - TJ Watt = 63 Tackles, 15.5 TFL and 11.5 Sacks - Miller = 68 Tackles, 17.5 TFL and 10.5 Sacks An important distinction is that Von Miller was at least a 2-year (maybe 3) starter and star player at A&M in his Jr. season with production that blew Watt's numbers away (21.5 TFL and 17 Sacks) More proof of production would have been nice... That said, I would totally support a TJ Watt selection. Maybe not at 10, but if we traded back I think he should be considered a first round talent. Edited March 15, 2017 by wiskibreth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I thought Watt was projected to be a 3-4 guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Why wasn't JJ Watt the #1 overall pick? He was also described as an effort guy who lacked athleticism and agility. WEAKNESSES Won't consistently get the edge on tackles with his get off or quickness. Plays high at times, can be blown off the ball by the double team, but does fight hard to hold ground. Lacks some lateral mobility both rushing the passer and playing in space. Will occasionally give up outside contain. The weaknesses section of his report was dead wrong. Scouting reports are often wrong. That's why 1st round picks bust and late round picks can be successful. Test scores don't lie. You don't put up elite numbers across the board if you're not an elite athlete. The reason that I used NFL.com scouting report is because back in the BBMB days, you used it a lot. When you don't like a player, you'll focus on a negatives. When you love a player, the negatives and scouting report are wrong. More than one scouting report states he's not a great athlete. http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Draft-Scouting-Reports/Scouting-Report-TJ-Watt.asp http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/nfl-draft-2017-packers/2017/2/23/14678762/nfl-draft-scouting-report-t-j-watt-wisconsin-isnt-a-first-round-player-and-thats-ok http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/2/24/14713752/is-t-j-watt-a-good-fit-for-the-ravens-nfl-draft-2017 [ He has the raw talent and size to be a dominant pass-rusher in the NFL. The knock on Watt is his speed and athleticism. He is very slow getting out of his stance. Hes already got a varied skillset that dominates tight ends, but fails to translate versus tackles nearly as often. So okay, maybe hed play the strong side. I dont believe Watt is a premier athlete at the NFL level, certainly not a knock on him, but hes not the twitchiest of athletes. So maybe an NFL team puts him at strong side outside linebacker He might be a great player and you could be absolutely right. You just tend to not take into account anyone else's opinions, whether it's a poster or scout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Borgia Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I want this guy. 6'4, 252 with room to get bigger and stronger. His test scores were ridiculous at the combine (just like his brother). At that size, a 6.79 three cone and 4.13 short shuttle are insane. On the old Message Board there was a formula that predicted pass rusher success in the NFL, he winds up the in category of "low risk". He checks the sub 7 second three cone, he checks the twitch rating, and he's on the cusp of cracking the explosive power rating. To put things in perspective, his scores are pretty close to being on par with guys like Demarcus Ware and Von Miller. Watt's movement skills are truly in elite company relative to other edge rushers. This guy is going to be a 10+ sack a year player in the NFL. I know Defensive End isn't technically a "need", but if this guy is a perennial Pro Bowler for the next decade (which his test scores suggest is likely), then we should be considering him. I don't care where he's currently being projected, this guy looks like he's going to be a special player who you can build a defensive line around. Two questions: 1. Would he be a good fit for an attacking 4-3 that McDermott wants to run, considering he played as a 3-4 OLB at Wisconsin? 2. Does he hate Doug Whaley as much as you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) The reason that I used NFL.com scouting report is because back in the BBMB days, you used it a lot. When you don't like a player, you'll focus on a negatives. When you love a player, the negatives and scouting report are wrong. More than one scouting report states he's not a great athlete. http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Draft-Scouting-Reports/Scouting-Report-TJ-Watt.asp http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/nfl-draft-2017-packers/2017/2/23/14678762/nfl-draft-scouting-report-t-j-watt-wisconsin-isnt-a-first-round-player-and-thats-ok http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/2/24/14713752/is-t-j-watt-a-good-fit-for-the-ravens-nfl-draft-2017 [ He might be a great player and you could be absolutely right. You just tend to not take into account anyone else's opinions, whether it's a poster or scout. The data from the combine says he's a great athlete. Guys with his test scores routinely go to the NFL and become perennial All Pros. That's a fact. That's all I care about. Two questions: 1. Would he be a good fit for an attacking 4-3 that McDermott wants to run, considering he played as a 3-4 OLB at Wisconsin? 2. Does he hate Doug Whaley as much as you do? Guys with his athleticism fit in any defense. He might not be an every down base defensive end (I think otherwise), so you play him at SLB in your 4-3 sets and DE when you go Nickel. Von Miller has been used the same way in Denver. Over the years, they've flipped back and forth between 3-4 and 4-3 schemes, and he's always been incredibly productive. Watt's test scores say he's the same player, and given the track record of success for guys with this level of athleticism, I want this guy on our team. Edited March 15, 2017 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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