Wayne Arnold Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 AFC North has Rapistburger and Flacco (two SB winners) and Dalton who was doing good up until this past season. Have the Bills, Jets and Dolphins had a good QB the caliber of those three since 2001...I don't think so. NFC North has Wilson and Palmer, Wilson went to two Super Bowl's and won one, Palmer was in the NFC Championship game last year...again, have the Bills, Jets and Dolphins had a good QB the caliber of those two since 2001...I don't think so. NFC East had E. Manning and Romo and Manning won two SB's. Have the Bills, Jets and Dolphins had a good QB the caliber of those two since 2001...I don't think so. Flacco is not elite. He should legally change his name to Joe Fluke-o because that's exactly what his Super Bowl season was. Neither is Dalton for that matter. Wilson is great but Palmer is meh. You just named a bunch of good teams with okay quarterback play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Flacco is not elite. He should legally change his name to Joe Fluke-o because that's exactly what his Super Bowl season was. Neither is Dalton for that matter. Wilson is great but Palmer is meh. You just named a bunch of good teams with okay quarterback play. The Steelers have been to three Super Bowl's and won two with Rapistburger, but the Ravens still managed to get in the playoffs six times and Bengals still managed to get in the playoffs five times even with playing against an elite QB [Rapistburger] in the division. You can try and use the argument "You just named a bunch of good teams with okay quarterback play," but how would all the AFC East QB's from the Bills, Jets and Dolphins over the past 16 years do on those teams? The Bills had a Top 5 defense three different times during the playoff drought, but did that get us to the playoffs? No. A good QB can make all the difference. Here's another division, the NFC South. The last two teams to represent the NFC came from this division. Every QB in this division can be considered very good to elite. Cam Newton, last year's MVP. Drew Brees, still throwing for over 5,000 yards and a SB winner. Matt Ryan, league MVP. Jameis Winston, up and comer and looking good in his second year in the league. Edited February 6, 2017 by Jerry Jabber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 was the same for Montana ..49ers ruled a dog crap division forever. Always had homefield Favre with packers. bears- viking- lions always were beyond bad Manning with Colts everyone else in their division sucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) The Steelers have been to three Super Bowl's and won two with Rapistburger, but the Ravens still managed to get in the playoffs six times and Bengals still managed to get in the playoffs five times even with playing against an elite QB [Rapistburger] in the division. You can try and use the argument "You just named a bunch of good teams with okay quarterback play," but how would all the AFC East QB's from the Bills, Jets and Dolphins over the past 16 years do on those teams? The Bills had a Top 5 defense three different times during the playoff drought, but did that get us to the playoffs? No. A good QB can make all the difference. Here's another division, the NFC South. The last two teams to represent the NFC came from this division. Every QB in this division can be considered very good to elite. Cam Newton, last year's MVP. Drew Brees, still throwing for over 5,000 yards and a SB winner. Matt Ryan, league MVP. Jameis Winston, up and comer and looking good in his second year in the league. Ravens managed to get into the playoffs six times because they're a good team with a good head coach. Same with Bengals. It takes more than a good/great quarterback. Just ask the Saints and Chargers. Edited February 6, 2017 by Wayne Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Ya a great player like Manning may never have won a SB. Talk about a team that relied on just O to win his D was awful every year. (Including the Colts SB winning season they got hot in the Playoffs.) That's just not true. They had a number of good defenses: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/. More to the point, the 2006 defense with Bob Sanders was elite; without him, they weren't. Once he came back late in the season, they were a force to be reckoned with. And they showed that time and again in the playoffs that year. With a healthy Sanders in 2007, they finished 1st in points allowed and 3rd in yards allowed. Edited February 6, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 That's just not true. They had a number of good defenses: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/. More to the point, the 2006 defense with Bob Sanders was elite; without him, they weren't. Once he came back late in the season, they were a force to be reckoned with. And they showed that time and again in the playoffs that year. With a healthy Sanders in 2007, they finished 1st in points allowed and 3rd in yards allowed. Sanders rarely stayed healthy. Also look at the ads in the AFCE he would have been destroyed and probably considered a bust if not for the re alignment. The Bills,Dolphins and Jets usually always have a good D but a mediocre to bad O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) The rest of the league made it hard for him in the playoffs. Yeah that was my point. Lots of great QB's have weak divisions. Most teams in the NFL are not good. They either have talent and no QB, or a QB and no talent. Edited February 6, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Losman Edwards Fitzpatrick Manuel Taylor ---- could it get any easier ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 Ravens managed to get into the playoffs six times because they're a good team with a good head coach. Same with Bengals. It takes more than a good/great quarterback. Just ask the Saints and Chargers. Agree to disagree. What about all the other divisions I mentioned? How come the Bills didn't make the playoffs when the Bills had the #2 ranked defense two years in a row in the early 2000's? How come they didn't make it to the playoffs when they had the #4 ranked defense under Schwartz and a Top 5 Special Teams unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Flacco is not elite. He should legally change his name to Joe Fluke-o because that's exactly what his Super Bowl season was. Neither is Dalton for that matter. Wilson is great but Palmer is meh. You just named a bunch of good teams with okay quarterback play. Flacco is awesome in the postseason. He rises to the occasion and when he's on his game, he can beat anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 Losman Edwards Fitzpatrick Manuel Taylor ---- could it get any easier ? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Sanders rarely stayed healthy. Also look at the ads in the AFCE he would have been destroyed and probably considered a bust if not for the re alignment. The Bills,Dolphins and Jets usually always have a good D but a mediocre to bad O. You said the Colts' D was "awful every year." That's fundamentally not true. That's all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 You said the Colts' D was "awful every year." That's fundamentally not true. That's all I'm saying. Ok , I stand corrected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Flacco is awesome in the postseason. He rises to the occasion and when he's on his game, he can beat anybody. Maybe he should focus his greatness more on the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Say what you want about Brady, I been trying to bash him for years, but lets face it he is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Flacco is not elite. He should legally change his name to Joe Fluke-o because that's exactly what his Super Bowl season was. Neither is Dalton for that matter. Wilson is great but Palmer is meh. You just named a bunch of good teams with okay quarterback play. This is nonsense. Flacco's postseason record and wins vs Manning/Brady are on the books. Belicheck cheated Flacco out of another sb appearance with illegal plays when Flacco was busting them up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Maybe he should focus his greatness more on the regular season. 10-5 in the postseason. 25TD's-10 INT's in the postseason. 5.6% for his TD%, career high 7.2 Y/A, career high. Calling him a fluke based on 1 season is inaccurate. He's one of the best postseason QB's ever. Edited February 6, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Agree to disagree. What about all the other divisions I mentioned? How come the Bills didn't make the playoffs when the Bills had the #2 ranked defense two years in a row in the early 2000's? How come they didn't make it to the playoffs when they had the #4 ranked defense under Schwartz and a Top 5 Special Teams unit? Because their quarterbacks and head coaches stunk. Like I said, it's a team sport. 10-5 in the postseason. 25TD's-10 INT's in the postseason. 5.6% for his TD%, career high 7.2 Y/A, career high. Calling him a fluke based on 1 season is inaccurate. He's one of the best postseason QB's ever. If he would stop sucking in the regular season he would have even more postseason opportunities to prove his "greatness". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Because their quarterbacks and head coaches stunk. Like I said, it's a team sport. If he would stop sucking in the regular season he would have even more postseason opportunities to prove his "greatness". He's made the postseason 6/9 seasons in the NFL. Went 5 years straight in his first 5 years in the NFL. In a division with two other perennial playoff teams. It may be time to stop posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 This is nonsense. Flacco's postseason record and wins vs Manning/Brady are on the books. Belicheck cheated Flacco out of another sb appearance with illegal plays when Flacco was busting them up again. +1 Because their quarterbacks and head coaches stunk. Like I said, it's a team sport. If he would stop sucking in the regular season he would have even more postseason opportunities to prove his "greatness". You got one thing right, their QB's stink! He's made the postseason 6/9 seasons in the NFL. Went 5 years straight in his first 5 years in the NFL. In a division with two other perennial playoff teams. It may be time to stop posting. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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