Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: True -- which is why we're in the position we're in with Iran now. Rhodes and Obama went through great lengths to make Iran happy at the expense of our own national security: Stuxnet Operation Cassandra Hamas Bomb material depots in Britain and the US DOJ/FBI/IC all ordered to look the other way. Why? The Mullahs paid. Trump's the one that got us to this point. He literally begged Iran to get back into Obama's deal. <------- Remember! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 He's not. Obama sold out the country's security and global stability to appease Iran. His policies (and Rhodes/Brennan/Clapper) is why we're here with Iran. Not Trump. Trump is fixing the issue the way it should have been addressed under Obama. If Obama wasn't compromised/sellout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Any experts out there want to chime in on what this means? Not something I'm all that familiar with. Probably a readiness exercise. Those ships are held in 5-day readiness, they have to test that occasionally (annually or more frequently). Since those are all in CONUS, and this apparently doesn't involve any frontline prepositioning ships, it's probably nothing. Fun fact: the TS Golden Bear is actually a California State University campus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: True -- which is why we're in the position we're in with Iran now. Rhodes and Obama went through great lengths to make Iran happy at the expense of our own national security: Stuxnet Operation Cassandra Hamas Bomb material depots in Britain and the US DOJ/FBI/IC all ordered to look the other way. Why? The Mullahs paid. No. We're doing this because Iran is the aggressor. Not us. Not the Saudis. Not Israel. Iran. They attacked. Not us. Didn't Trump attack them by blockading them? Why did he do that? Then told them to stay in the deal he called worst ever? This is all on Trump. No worries, I mean he went to a campaign rally after this attack on the brutal dictatorship of Saudi Arabia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Probably a readiness exercise. Those ships are held in 5-day readiness, they have to test that occasionally (annually or more frequently). Since those are all in CONUS, and this apparently doesn't involve any frontline prepositioning ships, it's probably nothing. Fun fact: the TS Golden Bear is actually a California State University campus. Thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's not. Obama sold out the country's security and global stability to appease Iran. His policies (and Rhodes/Brennan/Clapper) is why we're here with Iran. Not Trump. Trump is fixing the issue the way it should have been addressed under Obama. If Obama wasn't compromised/sellout. No, we were at peace with Iran and had them even let inspectors in. All our allies were with us, now? Not so much Trump is a colossal failure at foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Thanks for that. Hell of a lot of lift capacity, though. Each Ro-Ro can carry roughly a battalion task force, which means that total activated force is theoretically enough to carry about two heavy divisions plus limited logistical support (a couple of weeks, maybe). Or, roughly speaking, the heavy component (minus airborne forces) of the invasion of Iraq. If it is something, we'll see other indicators: increased Marine training cycles, NG activation, movements to ports of these ships for loading (they're maintained at 5-day readiness, but not kept laden), sudden new orders cut for the amphibious fleet. I highly doubt we'll see any of that - that's a months-long lead time for the commitment of a force that would require as much tonnage as this activation represents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: Hell of a lot of lift capacity, though. Each Ro-Ro can carry roughly a battalion task force, which means that total activated force is theoretically enough to carry about two heavy divisions plus limited logistical support (a couple of weeks, maybe). Or, roughly speaking, the heavy component (minus airborne forces) of the invasion of Iraq. If it is something, we'll see other indicators: increased Marine training cycles, NG activation, movements to ports of these ships for loading (they're maintained at 5-day readiness, but not kept laden), sudden new orders cut for the amphibious fleet. I highly doubt we'll see any of that - that's a months-long lead time for the commitment of a force that would require as much tonnage as this activation represents. Any chance it could be both an exercise and a bit of a head fake for Iran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Hell of a lot of lift capacity, though. Each Ro-Ro can carry roughly a battalion task force, which means that total activated force is theoretically enough to carry about two heavy divisions plus limited logistical support (a couple of weeks, maybe). Or, roughly speaking, the heavy component (minus airborne forces) of the invasion of Iraq. If it is something, we'll see other indicators: increased Marine training cycles, NG activation, movements to ports of these ships for loading (they're maintained at 5-day readiness, but not kept laden), sudden new orders cut for the amphibious fleet. I highly doubt we'll see any of that - that's a months-long lead time for the commitment of a force that would require as much tonnage as this activation represents. Remember the wayward post from an idiot on FB that claimed DoD ordered the entire L3 or Moog inventory a few months back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Any chance it could be both an exercise and a bit of a head fake for Iran? Unlikely without other indicators. But it's Trump, and he's an idiot, so I have to admit it's possible he'd say "Let's activate the ready reserve, just to scare Iran!" without understanding that it is in no way going to scare Iran. So I can't say it's completely impossible, just unlikely and stupid. 1 minute ago, GG said: Remember the wayward post from an idiot on FB that claimed DoD ordered the entire L3 or Moog inventory a few months back? No, I do not. I try not to recall facebook at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Oh goodie! And after they report it's Iran, then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hedge said: Anyone mention yet that Aramco's planning an IPO before the end of the year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chef Jim Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: Anyone mention yet that Aramco's planning an IPO before the end of the year? Was planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 46 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Was planning. Read today it was still on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Read today it was still on. That should be a very interesting offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) Saudi promises 'material evidence' linking Iran to attack ( 10:30 AM EDT ? ) The Saudi defence ministry said it will hold a news conference at 14:30 GMT to present "material evidence and Iranian weapons proving the Iranian regime's involvement in the terrorist attack". Riyadh previously said preliminary results showed the attack did not come from Yemen. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/saudi-oil-attacks-latest-updates-190916102800973.html Edited September 18, 2019 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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