Deranged Rhino Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Are you really pretending that you never said any of those things above? Pretending, no, sir. Those are distortions and outright fabrications of things I've said. You've already admitted that you don't know my position on this matter (which is shocking because it's not a secret), the fact you think those are my positions only proves this point. Are you going to apologize for making stuff up? Or at least admit you're wrong in your declaration that the field I work in is in any way related to Google? No? How about addressing the actual substance of the topic? No? Shocking. He's not wrong, though. Stop posting entire articles. I haven't been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Pretending, no, sir. Those are distortions and outright fabrications of things I've said. You've already admitted that you don't know my position on this matter (which is shocking because it's not a secret), the fact you think those are my positions only proves this point. Are you going to apologize for making stuff up? Or at least admit you're wrong in your declaration that the field I work in is in any way related to Google? No? How about addressing the actual substance of the topic? No? Shocking. I haven't been. Apologize for you flying off the cliff because you can't keep up with the tangled web you're trying to spin? For your guilty conscience? Now, what are these questions I've been dodging? Speaking of dodging questions, please educate me on Chevron's & Exxon's involvement in Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Apologize for you flying off the cliff because you can't keep up with the tangled web you're trying to spin? For your guilty conscience? Now, what are these questions I've been dodging? Speaking of dodging questions, please educate me on Chevron's & Exxon's involvement in Syria. I expected more from you. That's probably my fault. Keep running... that and lying is all you have left in your quiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Russia, US move past Cold War to unpredictable confrontation http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/us-russia-tensions-cold-war/index.html Just don't escalate a cyber war , that could cause widespread pain right here. Agree to a truce in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Russia, US move past Cold War to unpredictable confrontation http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/us-russia-tensions-cold-war/index.html Just don't escalate a cyber war , that could cause widespread pain right here. Agree to a truce in that area. Thank GOD for that "reset" [sic] button. That solved everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 HILLARY CLINTON ACKNOWLEDGES SAUDI TERROR FINANCING IN HACKED EMAIL, HINTING AT TOUGHER APPROACH Clinton’s private comments differ from the public line taken by members of the Obama administration. Speaking at the 9/11 Memorial and Museum in New York, John Brennan, the director of the CIA, recently called the Saudis “among our very best counterterrorism partners globally.” Last month, Obama, who long ago referred to Saudi Arabia as a “so-called” ally, acted to protect the Saudi government from litigation by vetoing the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, which would allow 9/11 victims to sue the Saudi government for damages in U.S. federal court. Congress overturned Obama’s veto, leaving the door open for Saudi Arabia to be named as a defendant in future lawsuits. The U.S. has its reasons for maintaining the Saudi alliance. The country produces 13 percent of the world’s oil and holds $117 billion of U.S. debt. During Obama’s two terms, Saudi Arabia has spent more than $50 billion on U.S.-made weaponry, far more than during George W. Bush’s two terms, and the U.S. has approved deals worth another $65 billion. The kingdom still has its staunch backers in Washington, due in no small part to its lavish spending on lobbyists and public relations. Among them is John Podesta’s brother, Tony, a lobbyist. Filings made under the Foreign Agents Registration Act show that Saudi government is paying Tony Podesta’s firm, the Podesta Group, a $140,000 monthly fee through the end of 2016, and that Tony himself consults on the Saudi account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 CIA Prepping for Possible Cyber Strike Against Russia Current and former officials with direct knowledge of the situation say the CIA has been asked to deliver options to the White House for a wide-ranging "clandestine" cyber operation designed to harass and "embarrass" the Kremlin leadership. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cia-prepping-possible-cyber-strike-against-russia-n666636 on multiple levels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 CIA Prepping for Possible Cyber Strike Against Russia Current and former officials with direct knowledge of the situation say the CIA has been asked to deliver options to the White House for a wide-ranging "clandestine" cyber operation designed to harass and "embarrass" the Kremlin leadership. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cia-prepping-possible-cyber-strike-against-russia-n666636 on multiple levels... That's just responsible reporting right there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 That's just responsible reporting right there... No kidding. Not to mention erroneous. If that kind of operation were being prepared it wouldn't be CIA prepping it, it'd be NSA I'd assume. So, it's either a complete fabrication, a bluff by 44 (which don't work well for him), some combination of the two, or the administration really is this desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 First of all, there's no way that runs without the Obama Administration's giving it to them, and telling them to run it. Everything this administration does or does not do as relates to foreign policy is nothing more than posturing for the purposes of electoral politics and domestic political capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 First of all, there's no way that runs without the Obama Administration's giving it to them, and telling them to run it. Everything this administration does or does not do as relates to foreign policy is nothing more than posturing for the purposes of electoral politics and domestic political capital. Oh, absolutely. And NBC is the administration's favorite network so I doubt they would run anything like this without getting approval first. But this move isn't as much posturing imo as it is desperate. They've been whipping everyone up into a frenzy with their red baiting for over 3 months now, some of that is designed to obscure the truth in Syria and our involvement with AQ/ISIS fighters, some of it designed to obscure the WikiLeaks drops to protect both 44 and HRC, but going out and announcing through the press that you're considering a cyber attack against Russia is just proof they're out of ideas. As said above, it's either completely irresponsible "journalism" reporting a move too early without proper clearances (doubtful), a public bluff by 44 (more likely, but those haven't worked well for him in the past), or it's just planting the seeds to use later on in some sort of Gulf of Tonkin remix. on many, many, levels... ************************************** 'Heinous crime against humanity': how Saudi airstrikes have devastated Yemen The two munitions dropped by a Saudi warplane, which Human Rights Watch identified as US-manufactured 227kg (500lb) laser-guided bombs, killed 140 people, among them the newly-wed Yemeni and several children. More than 500 people were also injured in what HRW labelled this week “an apparent war crime” by the Saudi-led coalition, which is backed by the US and the UK. The Saudi military intervention is aimed at reinstating the exiled president, Abd Rabbu Mansour Hadi, and countering the advances of Iran-backed Houthi fighters, who control Sana’a. One in three Saudi air raids on Yemen have hit civilian sites... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/15/heinous-against-humanity-how-saudi-airstrikes-have-devastated-yemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Oh, absolutely. And NBC is the administration's favorite network so I doubt they would run anything like this without getting approval first. But this move isn't as much posturing imo as it is desperate. They've been whipping everyone up into a frenzy with their red baiting for over 3 months now, some of that is designed to obscure the truth in Syria and our involvement with AQ/ISIS fighters, some of it designed to obscure the WikiLeaks drops to protect both 44 and HRC, but going out and announcing through the press that you're considering a cyber attack against Russia is just proof they're out of ideas. As said above, it's either completely irresponsible "journalism" reporting a move too early without proper clearances (doubtful), a public bluff by 44 (more likely, but those haven't worked well for him in the past), or it's just planting the seeds to use later on in some sort of Gulf of Tonkin remix. on many, many, levels... ************************************** 'Heinous crime against humanity': how Saudi airstrikes have devastated Yemen The two munitions dropped by a Saudi warplane, which Human Rights Watch identified as US-manufactured 227kg (500lb) laser-guided bombs, killed 140 people, among them the newly-wed Yemeni and several children. More than 500 people were also injured in what HRW labelled this week “an apparent war crime” by the Saudi-led coalition, which is backed by the US and the UK. The Saudi military intervention is aimed at reinstating the exiled president, Abd Rabbu Mansour Hadi, and countering the advances of Iran-backed Houthi fighters, who control Sana’a. One in three Saudi air raids on Yemen have hit civilian sites... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/15/heinous-against-humanity-how-saudi-airstrikes-have-devastated-yemen It's not that NBC asked sought their approval to run it, it's that the Obama administration asked them to create the piece, and then directed and produced it with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 NBC: Did you hear about our big secret operation against Russia? FTA: Whoever leaked this doesn’t have mission success as their first priority. They want to send a message not to the Russians, but to Americans, and it’s a twofold message. The first part is to reinforce the impression that the Russians have hacked into our electoral process and are manipulating voters into anger against the current administration. That could very well be true— in fact, it’s almost outside of all doubt — but these leaks are just another manipulation. There’s no other reason to put Operation Expose Putin As A Kleptocrat on the evening news except to inject the current administration into the election that will replace it. The second part is an attempt to repair the image of competence in the White House. After all, assuming that these hacks are Russian intrusions meant to influence our elections, they aren’t the only clowns that snuck into the rodeo. The Obama administration has been hacked a number of times, with the biggest humiliation coming from the year-long hack at the Office of Personnel Management, which gave China all sorts of useful information about millions of Americans as leverage to blackmail or woo them into espionage, or just ruin them with identity theft. The leak about this operation is meant at least in part to give the impression that Obama & Co are finally getting serious about making our adversaries pay for their transgressions. Well, let’s hope that’s true, but … doesn’t leaking the strategy for humiliating Putin allow him to, y’know, defend himself against it? That offshore cash may well be long gone by the time the Langley version of Wikileaks comes on line, and it’s probably been moved already. Golly, if only someone had warned us a few years ago about Russia being our most dangerous geopolitical foe … who could’ve guessed, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Golly, if only someone had warned us a few years ago about Russia being our most dangerous geopolitical foe … who could’ve guessed, huh? Everyone from the left mocked him. Everyone from the left was wrong. He would have made a much better president than Obama, both on the economic domestic front and FP. Too bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Everyone from the left mocked him. Everyone from the left was wrong. He would have made a much better president than Obama, both on the economic domestic front and FP. Too bad Amen. Far from perfect mind you..........but someone who had a history of, and actually would have reached out to the other side with sincerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 It's not that NBC asked sought their approval to run it, it's that the Obama administration asked them to create the piece, and then directed and produced it with them. No question. Golly, if only someone had warned us a few years ago about Russia being our most dangerous geopolitical foe … who could’ve guessed, huh? The question though is how much of a threat is Russia truly? If you listen to the news today, they're the new Third Reich -- which is laughably hyperbolic. The past three months have been far more hype than actual substance. Hype pushed by the administration to distract the US public from HRC/44's scandals and email leaks, to control the War on Terror narrative, and to cover up the administration's own culpability in war crimes in both Syria and Yemen. The 180 done by the left since the '08 election isn't a sign that they've come to grips with Romney being correct, it's more the result of being out of spin options. Russia has a lot to answer for, certainly, but the current red baiting is nothing more than a ploy to distract. Stay frosty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 No question. The question though is how much of a threat is Russia truly? If you listen to the news today, they're the new Third Reich -- which is laughably hyperbolic. The past three months have been far more hype than actual substance. Hype pushed by the administration to distract the US public from HRC/44's scandals and email leaks, to control the War on Terror narrative, and to cover up the administration's own culpability in war crimes in both Syria and Yemen. The 180 done by the left since the '08 election isn't a sign that they've come to grips with Romney being correct, it's more the result of being out of spin options. Russia has a lot to answer for, certainly, but the current red baiting is nothing more than a ploy to distract. Stay frosty... "Threat" and "foe" are not necessarily the same thing. For example, news you didn't hear this week: http://atlanticsentinel.com/2016/10/sensing-american-disinterest-egypt-and-turkey-reach-out-to-russia/ That, of course, is on top of Russian-Iranian cooperation in the region, and Russia-Iraq ties that have grown much closer in the past year (in no small part because of joint Russia-Iran policies in the region.) Yes, they're are foe. And with Obama's help (willing or incidental is another argument) they've managed to take apart our geopolitical position in the Middle East in four years. THIS is why you don't declare a "red line" unless you intend to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 "Threat" and "foe" are not necessarily the same thing. For example, news you didn't hear this week: http://atlanticsentinel.com/2016/10/sensing-american-disinterest-egypt-and-turkey-reach-out-to-russia/ That, of course, is on top of Russian-Iranian cooperation in the region, and Russia-Iraq ties that have grown much closer in the past year (in no small part because of joint Russia-Iran policies in the region.) Yes, they're are foe. And with Obama's help (willing or incidental is another argument) they've managed to take apart our geopolitical position in the Middle East in four years. THIS is why you don't declare a "red line" unless you intend to back it up. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 No question. The question though is how much of a threat is Russia truly? If you listen to the news today, they're the new Third Reich -- which is laughably hyperbolic. The past three months have been far more hype than actual substance. Hype pushed by the administration to distract the US public from HRC/44's scandals and email leaks, to control the War on Terror narrative, and to cover up the administration's own culpability in war crimes in both Syria and Yemen. The 180 done by the left since the '08 election isn't a sign that they've come to grips with Romney being correct, it's more the result of being out of spin options. Russia has a lot to answer for, certainly, but the current red baiting is nothing more than a ploy to distract. Stay frosty... Garry Kasparov disagrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 File this one away for later... https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/10/13/executive-order-coordinating-efforts-prepare-nation-space-weather-events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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