bdutton Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, Joe Miner said: I’m mostly pissed at the news on this subject. The past several months the local and national news have been reporting every story about Breonna under the sun regardless of truth. Half of the people upset about this STILL think the cops broke in and shot her in bed asleep. They also STILL think the cops were at the wrong address. Why? Because that’s what was initially reported for several weeks. Innocent, black, EMT, who was a good citizen was murdered in her sleep by police in a botched raid. I’m all for freedom of speech. But there also has to be some accountability when false stories are repeatedly presented as truth and no corrections are made clear. To be fair. It was not a botched raid. It was a botched warrant. The cops were put into that situation due to information that they could not control.
whatdrought Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, bdutton said: To be fair. It was not a botched raid. It was a botched warrant. The cops were put into that situation due to information that they could not control. I think Joe is saying that that is the narrative the media is pushing though completely false. I’m not sure I understand your second comment- the cops were doing their job and were shot at...?
bdutton Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I think Joe is saying that that is the narrative the media is pushing though completely false. I’m not sure I understand your second comment- the cops were doing their job and were shot at...? The cops were executing a raid based on a warrant. The people that got the warrant in the first place had the wrong information. The cops executing the warrant are the ones getting in trouble (wrongfully) for it. Just doing their job. Edited September 24, 2020 by bdutton
whatdrought Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, bdutton said: The cops were executing a raid based on a warrant. The people that got the warrant in the first place had the wrong information. The cops executing the warrant are the ones getting in trouble (wrongfully) for it. Just doing their job. What wrong information?
bdutton Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: What wrong information? That the address they were searching was a drug house.
whatdrought Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bdutton said: That the address they were searching was a drug house. I may be incorrect here, but I don’t think that was the premise the warrant was based on at all. My belief was they were searching Taylor’s house because she had acted as a mail service for the drug dealer who was her ex boyfriend. He had mail delivered to her place, picked it up, and then was followed directly to a stash house. Their search was in relation to that and trying to find additional evidence/components of his network. That explains why the late night raid- as they had just arrested him and wanted to grab as many moving parts as possible. Edited September 24, 2020 by whatdrought
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bdutton Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I may be incorrect here, but I don’t think that was the premise the warrant was based on at all. My belief was they were searching Taylor’s house because she had acted as a mail service for the drug dealer who was her ex boyfriend. He had mail delivered to her place, picked it up, and then was followed directly to a stash house. "Police suspected, according to the May report written by Jaynes, that Glover "may be keeping narcotics and/or proceeds from the sale of narcotics at (Taylor's apartment) for safekeeping." A property seizure log completed after searching Taylor's apartment following the shooting listed no drugs or money." Nothing was found. The Detective responsible for writing and getting approval for the warrant was reassigned pending an investigation. Bottom line it was a shitshow but the cops getting punished (my point) are paying the price for bad intelligence. Edited September 24, 2020 by bdutton
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Sig1Hunter Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said: Obviously you're not in law enforcement. Reality check: In order to obtain a warrant, you have to have probable cause. In this instance, they had multiple times surveilled this perp and had patterns, which were in the warrant documentation. Patterns are the key. If you have patterns, you can chose your arrest point based on them. It's "generally" much easier to simply traffic stop or catch them as they leave the apartment building in a more controlled situation. What they "decided" on was (seemingly) a fundamentally more risky course of action and it ended up with multiple high velocity rounds being sprayed around in a populated apartment complex. It's stupid, lazy, and put a large number of innocent people in unnecessary danger. These senseless tactical decisions are the reason why inexperienced and stupid politicians feel the need to constantly tie cop's hands. Wasn’t it a search warrant, and not an arrest warrant? If it was an arrest warrant, I agree - those are much safer served in an environment that is known and can more easily be controlled. If it was a search warrant, it needs to be served at the location to be searched. 1 1
meazza Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: Wasn’t it a search warrant, and not an arrest warrant? If it was an arrest warrant, I agree - those are much safer served in an environment that is known and can more easily be controlled. If it was a search warrant, it needs to be served at the location to be searched. From what I understand, this was in response to a drug related crime? My stance will always be that drug laws are useless. 1
whatdrought Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 59 minutes ago, bdutton said: "Police suspected, according to the May report written by Jaynes, that Glover "may be keeping narcotics and/or proceeds from the sale of narcotics at (Taylor's apartment) for safekeeping." A property seizure log completed after searching Taylor's apartment following the shooting listed no drugs or money." Nothing was found. The Detective responsible for writing and getting approval for the warrant was reassigned pending an investigation. Bottom line it was a shitshow but the cops getting punished (my point) are paying the price for bad intelligence. That doesn’t mean they were in the wrong place or had bad information. They knew he had used her address for deliveries in the past- that was the importation they were working under. I’m not sure I get your point?
Joe Miner Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: I may be incorrect here, but I don’t think that was the premise the warrant was based on at all. My belief was they were searching Taylor’s house because she had acted as a mail service for the drug dealer who was her ex boyfriend. He had mail delivered to her place, picked it up, and then was followed directly to a stash house. Their search was in relation to that and trying to find additional evidence/components of his network. That explains why the late night raid- as they had just arrested him and wanted to grab as many moving parts as possible. The first location raided did turn up money, drugs, and I believe guns. It wasn’t a mistake they were at her place. She was involved with the drug trade. She was named as someone holding the money for those dealing. Her idiot past boyfriend identified her as such in phone calls he made from jail. She rented a car that her drug dealing past boyfriend was using and one of his associates turned up dead in. Her drug dealing past boyfriend was still using her apartment as his listed address and was having his mail delivered there. They had surveillance of packages from the second location that was raided successfully going in and out of her place. You don’t hear that on the news though. “Drug dealer shot in raid” doesn’t gin up nearly as much drama and outrage as “27 year old black EMT shot to death in her sleep during a botched police raid.” 3 1
Alaska Darin Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe Miner said: “Drug dealer shot in raid” doesn’t gin up nearly as much drama and outrage as “27 year old black EMT shot to death in her sleep during a botched police raid.” You got that right.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said: You got that right. Would you be saying that if they were trying to arrested the corporate CEO who was supplying the oxicontin Nope
RochesterRob Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Would you be saying that if they were trying to arrested the corporate CEO who was supplying the oxicontin Nope Slow afternoon? Maybe try cleaning up your room instead?
whatdrought Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Slow afternoon? Maybe try cleaning up your room instead? His mom handled that this morning so he’s good to go.
3rdnlng Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Would you be saying that if they were trying to arrested the corporate CEO who was supplying the oxicontin Nope Don't forget the pretzel avatar I gave you. It will fit in with all the pretzeling you do. Edited September 24, 2020 by 3rdnlng
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