Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said: And Harris isn't? Is she holding up a vote on an anti lynching law?
Foxx Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Is she holding up a vote on an anti lynching law? is she trying to pass a law that says bruising is lynching?
billsfan1959 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Is she holding up a vote on an anti lynching law? I ask this as a serious question. What, in this bill, do you think is specifically needed?
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Foxx said: is she trying to pass a law that says bruising is lynching? Yup, and she wants whites to go to jail if they look at Blacks wrong 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I ask this as a serious question. What, in this bill, do you think is specifically needed? Let’s suppose it’s just symbolic, why oppose it? What symbolism is Paul showing by opposing something that supposedly does nothing?
SoCal Deek Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) I was hoping to come on here this morning to see that the discussions had progressed but apparently not so much. Seeing as how this is the Liberal Protest thread, can someone please list three tangible things that these protestors want? (Not slogans.....but actual changes.) I’ll try.... 1. Justice and Peace (the officers have all been arrested and charged, and yet the protestors are still out there disrupting the peace?) 2. Defunding Police (replacing law enforcement with some sort of army of social workers?) 3. Anything else? Edited June 7, 2020 by SoCal Deek
billsfan1959 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Let’s suppose it’s just symbolic, why oppose it? What symbolism is Paul showing by opposing something that supposedly does nothing? Because symbolic legislation is still legislation and has actual consequences. I am not a fan of enacting legislation, for any reason, symbolic or otherwise, that (1) recreates legislation that already exists as a means of putting motive at the center of the crime, or (2) that is vague or too broad. There are some aspects of this bill I could get behind as I am not sure if specific laws already exist. Much of it is too vague or unnecessary for me. Edited June 7, 2020 by billsfan1959 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Because symbolic legislation is still legislation and has actual consequences. I am not a fan of enacting legislation, for any reason, symbolic or otherwise, that (1) recreates legislation that already exists that puts motive at the center of the crime, or (2) that is vague or too broad. There are some aspects of this bill I could get behind as I am not sure if specific laws already exist. Much of it is too vague or unnecessary for me. I just totally support the bill. If the local governments don’t want to punish people I’d be happy a federal law is ready to be used to go after who ever does something so evil. It’s good to have tool in the tool box if needed
Foxx Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I was hoping to come on here this morning to see that the discussions had progressed but apparently not so much. Seeing as how this is the Liberal Protest thread, can someone please list three tangible things that these protestors want? (Not slogans.....but actual changes.) I’ll try.... 1. Justice and Peace (the officers have all been arrested and charged, and yet the protestors are still out there disrupting the peace?) 2. Defunding Police (replacing law enforcement with some sort of army of social workers?) 3. Anything else? 4. hell on Earth. because that is what they will get. 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup, and she wants whites to go to jail if they look at Blacks wrong... did you just look at me sideways? Edited June 7, 2020 by Foxx
SoCal Deek Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: 4. hell on Earth. because that is what they will get. I appreciate the effort but like me, you couldn’t come up with #3. This protest has devolved into a daily group outing for the young, out of work, Bored to Death from Being Inside crowd.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 ....and MORE scum......27 year old "tough guy"....... Massachusetts Trump supporter, 82, ‘violently assaulted’ by motorist, 27, police say By Dom Calicchio | Fox News Nobody should be attacked for their political views, Charlie Chase says. But according to authorities, that’s exactly what happened last week to the 82-year-old U.S. military veteran and supporter of President Trump. The Fall River, Mass., man says he was holding a Trump sign and wearing a Trump hat when suddenly a motorist allegedly got out of his car and charged toward him. “Give me the (expletive) sign!” the suspect said, according to police. https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-trump-supporter-82-violently-assaulted-by-motorist-27-police-say
billsfan1959 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: I just totally support the bill. If the local governments don’t want to punish people I’d be happy a federal law is ready to be used to go after who ever does something so evil. It’s good to have tool in the tool box if needed I can appreciate your position. However, there are already civil remedies and existing criminal laws that can address much of this. If there is something specific that is not already addressed or needs to be clarified/more specific, then I have no problem. It feels much like other hate crime legislation: Well intentioned; but, it really takes existing laws and recreates them in a way to put motive at the center of the guilt/innocence phase of the prosecution, rather than addressing it as an aggravating factor in sentencing
SoCal Deek Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I can appreciate your position. However, there are already civil remedies and existing criminal laws that can address much of this. If there is something specific that is not already addressed or needs to be clarified/more specific, then I have no problem. It feels much like other hate crime legislation: Well intentioned; but, it really takes existing laws and recreates them in a way to put motive at the center of the guilt/innocence phase of the prosecution, rather than addressing it as an aggravating factor in sentencing Reminds me of the Equal Pay laws. There’s a poster in every break room in my office that says it’s the law that I have to pay people equally (which I do)....and yet we hear about supposed gender inequality right around election time, like clockwork! 2
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I can appreciate your position. However, there are already civil remedies and existing criminal laws that can address much of this. If there is something specific that is not already addressed or needs to be clarified/more specific, then I have no problem. It feels much like other hate crime legislation: Well intentioned; but, it really takes existing laws and recreates them in a way to put motive at the center of the guilt/innocence phase of the prosecution, rather than addressing it as an aggravating factor in sentencing But it does allow for those denied justice at local level to have a higher law to look to.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I can appreciate your position. However, there are already civil remedies and existing criminal laws that can address much of this. If there is something specific that is not already addressed or needs to be clarified/more specific, then I have no problem. It feels much like other hate crime legislation: Well intentioned; but, it really takes existing laws and recreates them in a way to put motive at the center of the guilt/innocence phase of the prosecution, rather than addressing it as an aggravating factor in sentencing ..certainly agree...BUT...an impediment is the uphill battle prosecutors face is filing the EXACT and applicable charges, seating an objective jury pool, and then being faced with overturned convictions by a scrutinizing Appeals Court......the Judge assigned to a case is making quick decisions/rulings daily, whereas an Appeals Court (three or more) have ample time to sit and review the case, taking as much time as they deem necessary....what about the lawyers (COUGH) arrested in the NYC molotov cocktail incident who were released?......thankfully Appeals Court overruled and remanded them to jail...... 1
billsfan1959 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: But it does allow for those denied justice at local level to have a higher law to look to. I believe that already exists under federal civil rights laws. I do not mind federal criminal legislation that is necessary. So, I guess it depends on what specific denial of justice at the local level are we talking about? Or are we talking about legislation specifically designed to circumvent double jeopardy?
Foxx Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: But it does allow for those denied justice at local level to have a higher law to look to. just in case their ego was bruised, amiright?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I believe that already exists under federal civil rights laws. I do not mind federal criminal legislation that is necessary. So, I guess it depends on what specific denial of justice at the local level are we talking about? Or are we talking about legislation specifically designed to circumvent double jeopardy? ...as long as they are applied EQUALLY.....racism/civil rights are NOT just limited to skin color.....what about ETHNIC racism?....yes Hate Crimes legislation begins to address this.....isn't ETHNIC racism a worldwide pandemic?.....thousands of years in existence and NO end in sight.....hell we even have clowns in the US society who don't know the Civil War is over....geographic racism/hate crimes....."Yankees vs Confederates" still exist.....my retired neighbors (in their 70's) drove from Rochester NY to Myrtle Beach for a vacation.....because of NY plates, the "yankees" were confronted and threatened....are we really still THIS BAD?.....good Lord.......got any solutions??..........
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I believe that already exists under federal civil rights laws. I do not mind federal criminal legislation that is necessary. So, I guess it depends on what specific denial of justice at the local level are we talking about? Or are we talking about legislation specifically designed to circumvent double jeopardy? No, it’s designed to circumvent “No Jeopardy” in case local officials refuse to act. 18 minutes ago, Foxx said: just in case their ego was bruised, amiright? Local officials have a tremendous amount of power over peoples lives. Ever see Who Killed Garret Phillips? Great HBO documentary about a small NY town trying to convict a black guy for a murder there was no proof he did. Really crazy and the whole town (much like a lynching) wanted to get this black guy.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 ...shocking that Arkansas' pant suited feral hog weighs in with the solutions......Ms Irrelevant reveals that old losing wounds never heal...... Clinton calls Trump 'failure' in blistering interview, questions how anyone 'with a beating heart and a working mind' supports him By Ronn Blitzer | Fox News Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton railed against President Trump and his response to George Floyd’s death in a new interview with the Los Angeles Times, saying his handling of the situation has been “inadequate” and that the president has been “such a failure across the board.” In excerpts of the interview that were published Saturday, Clinton pulled no punches when it comes to the president or his supporters. “It is a mystery why anybody with a beating heart and a working mind still supports him,” she said. Clinton accused Trump of making everything “all about him” instead of addressing problems head on. “If it’s about a terrible pandemic with an unprecedented virus, he tries to ignore it, tries to keep the attention on himself,” she said. “Then when it becomes impossible to do that, he tries to seize the moment and turn it into a daily rally, like he loves to do. And then when it becomes impossible to ignore, he tries to change the subject, he tries to withdraw from the spotlight so he can come up with some other diversion and distraction for the body politic and the press.” Clinton then said that in the immediate aftermath of Floyd’s death after being pinned to the ground by Minneapolis police, Trump appeared to respond well, but then dropped the ball. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-rips-failure-trump-questions-how-anyone-with-a-beating-heart-and-a-working-mind-supports-him-in-new-interview
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