DirtDart Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Do yourself a favor and stop looking at stats and start looking at the play. Play hasn't done much either. Hasn't produced one TD drive playing with the 1s. Oh come on, EJ Manuel is 2/5 this preseason on deep routes. Taylor is 1/4. EJ has connected on one more deep pass. and two more TDs lol. We have, and will debate this as fans until it hurts. I honestly support whomever gets the nod, I just can't wrap my head around the hype. I just don't see the magic, outside of a little scrambling, and extended plays. EJ is getting better, I like how is he is climbing the pocket, the sack/fumble should have been thrown away by him. Edited August 21, 2015 by DirtDart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 On the running game, the group picked up off the street were reasonably effective behind the starting oline. Strengthens my conviction in running back by committee and saving the money for investing in the oline Reasonably effective another brilliant take. They combined for 41 yards on 19 carries for 2.1YPC. Honestly, did you watch the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Rapid OVER Reaction - 10 Observations About Tonight’s Game 4) Bye-Bye, EJ. Yeah, Manuel looked good on the winning possession while driving the team to a TD and 2-point conversion. But was it too little too late? Prior to that drive EJ had a horrible night that looked like a guy begging for a ticket out of town. Sure EJ was in with 2nd and 3rd stringers and, at times, was being blitz-protected by a running back that was signed only yesterday. Still, he continually exhibited a trait that he has shown throughout his career - he doesn’t properly set his feet before throwing the ball. At this point, it is evident that he is incapable of correcting that fatal flaw. I don’t know where Manuel will be on opening weekend, but I’m pretty sure it won’t be in the house that Ralph built. Not really sure where this came from. The guy took a bunch of scrubs that probably won't make the team, and drove them down the field despite their bad play, penalties. Then not only got a TD, a two points conversion but also won the game. Seriously, who gives a darn where his feet are if the guy can throw a laser into a very tight window in the end zone for a TD!! But then, haters gonna hate i suppose. Hill 8 for 25 Seale 8 for 10 Wood 3 for 6 I think you may need to rethink your logic. Reasonably effective another brilliant take. They combined for 41 yards on 19 carries for 2.1YPC. Honestly, did you watch the game? This OP has some issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Reasonably effective another brilliant take. They combined for 41 yards on 19 carries for 2.1YPC. Honestly, did you watch the game? On the running game, the group picked up off the street were reasonably effective behind the starting oline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 On the running game, the group picked up off the street were reasonably effective behind the starting oline. Oh? So 11 rushes for 27 yards is reasonably effective behind the starting OL? A YPC of 2.4. I wouldn't call that effective at all. I'd call that lousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 not for a combination of Shady, Williams and Freddy, but yeah for Hill, Seale and Wood, it can be considered effective...that simply can't be glossed over like that. No one is saying it is acceptable for starters in the NFL, but they aren't Oh? So 11 rushes for 27 yards is reasonably effective behind the starting OL? A YPC of 2.4. I wouldn't call that effective at all. I'd call that lousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Oh? So 11 rushes for 27 yards is reasonably effective behind the starting OL? A YPC of 2.4. I wouldn't call that effective at all. I'd call that lousy. Fortunately Tyrod also had 4 carries for 41 yards to pad the stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Oh? So 11 rushes for 27 yards is reasonably effective behind the starting OL? A YPC of 2.4. I wouldn't call that effective at all. I'd call that lousy. not much different than McCoy's 6 for 16, 2.67 avg the week before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 So funny (or painful maybe?) how the board morphs everything into a black and white, THIS guy or THAT guy thing...LOL. There is never any in-between. Truth is, TT looked very impressive and EJ did a LOT working with very little, and clearly has improved. We should all be happy about BOTH occurrences, but for some reason we aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 this post deserves a warning point...take your reasonable thinking somewhere else! Didn't you see that RB we picked up off the street the day before fail miserably in his YPC???? this team is DOOOOOOMED So funny (or painful maybe?) how the board morphs everything into a black and white, THIS guy or THAT guy thing...LOL. There is never any in-between. Truth is, TT looked very impressive and EJ did a LOT working with very little, and clearly has improved. We should all be happy about BOTH occurrences, but for some reason we aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 not for a combination of Shady, Williams and Freddy, but yeah for Hill, Seale and Wood, it can be considered effective...that simply can't be glossed over like that. No one is saying it is acceptable for starters in the NFL, but they aren't That's what the conversation is revolving around though. JTSP is saying that Hill, Seale and Wood could be just as effective as McCoy, Williams and Jackson. Actually it's just McCoy because that's who he has it out for. He sees no point in McCoy being on the team and any ole tom, dick or harry can replace his production. My counter is no, they can't and wouldn't be as effective. I'm not arguing whether they were effective within there own abilities. Fortunately Tyrod also had 4 carries for 41 yards to pad the stats Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 That's what the conversation is revolving around though. JTSP is saying that Hill, Seale and Wood could be just as effective as McCoy, Williams and Jackson. Actually it's just McCoy because that's who he has it out for. He sees no point in McCoy being on the team and any ole tom, dick or harry can replace his production. My counter is no, they can't and wouldn't be as effective. I'm not arguing whether they were effective within there own abilities. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Oh? So 11 rushes for 27 yards is reasonably effective behind the starting OL? A YPC of 2.4. I wouldn't call that effective at all. I'd call that lousy. I'd call it lousy too. Looking at the play by play for the first half, and Goodwin's end run that was stuffed for negative 9 yards did not help. Hill off RT for 3 yards Seale off RG for 6 yards Seale off LT for -4 yards Seale off RG for 3 yards Seale of RG for 2 yards Hill off RG for 2 yards Hill off RT for 2 yards 7 run plays for 14 yards =2.0 ypc avg Hill off RT for 4 yards Goodwin left end for -9 yards 2 run plays for -5 yards Hill off RG for 10 yards Hill off LG for -1 yards Seale off RT for 2 yards 3 runs for 11 yards= 3.6 ypc avg, Seale off RG for one yard unless my math is off somewhere 13 run plays for 21 yards in the first half. = 1.6 ypc avg The QB Taylor rushing made the rushing stats look better then they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 That's what the conversation is revolving around though. JTSP is saying that Hill, Seale and Wood could be just as effective as McCoy, Williams and Jackson. Actually it's just McCoy because that's who he has it out for. He sees no point in McCoy being on the team and any ole tom, dick or harry can replace his production. My counter is no, they can't and wouldn't be as effective. I'm not arguing whether they were effective within there own abilities. Yup. Actually what I said is they were "reasonably effective". The rest of it you made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Actually what I said is they were "reasonably effective". The rest of it you made up. In comparison to what McCoy will do this year and what is considered starting RB material the 3 of them combined weren't "reasonably effective" at all. They were lousy. And you compared them to McCoy. You also said that you feel the Bills could get by with a "running back by committee" and their was no reason to over pay for RBs. Edited August 21, 2015 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Was it me, or did Rex look flummoxed when EJ was driving late and making plays? Now he's got a decision to make in game three. I think he was hoping EJ made it for him. I thought TT looked good, still scared he's going to put himself in harms way too often. EJ looked like a QB last night. Props to him for stepping up into the tire fire that was his pocket last night. Both guys made their reads. Encouraging play from both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS 56 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think EJ shouldbe the number 2 behind Taylor. I totally agree. Castle is a good, reliable number three. EJ is close in performance as Tyrod, just not as reliable. Will he ever become number one? I just don't know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 7) It was nice to see Ronald Darby get the two picks tonight. He got torched both on the field and in the next day’s newspapers last week when the Bills purposely put him on an island against a very good NFL receiver. Despite that, I felt his form was good last week and that he would use the game as a learning tool. This week he got called for an early pass interference peanlty, but quickly made amends by flipping the field on two possessions. He looks like a kid that has a nose for the ball and I think he and Gilmore are going to be a formidable tandem that will make some noise this season. You can't use that word. Gruden has a it trademarked. It is the only adjective he used all night to describe the Bills' D-Line. I think he used formidable once for each of our star lineman. I usually like Gruden, but I'm a bit of a stickler when it comes to wearing out adjectives in the same piece of work. I can't agree with you more about Darby. I didn't even think that PI was all that bad. it definitely was no worse than the no call in the endzone on our failed scoring drive. Like you, I wasn't too concerned about what happened last week. That pretty much happens to every young, promising corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 In comparison to what McCoy will do this year and what is considered starting RB material the 3 of them combined weren't "reasonably effective" at all. They were lousy. And you compared them to McCoy. You also said that you feel the Bills could get by with a "running back by committee" and their was no reason to over pay for RBs. It appears you're having a hard time with the fact you called them "lousy" yet when the proper comparison was made to the first team starter, their performance was not far off. Do I think they, as in that group, would be just as good as McCoy? No I don't and never said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJallDAY Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 EJ looked better than Tears of the Clown did for the Browns. If we cut EJ another team will sign him to back up. Probably the Pats. If the season started todat I would start TT until he gets hurt. Then I would play EJ until he gets hurt. Then hopefully Cassel going .500 will be enough to make the playoffs. That being said I think EJ deserves the start next week just as a confirmation that he will be no more than a decent backup this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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