Kirby Jackson Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/07/30/behind-the-legend-of-kiko-alonso/#GQ2Q0zdUSql4vEd9.99 I particularly like the part about it being a workout day for Kiko. Edited August 2, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I hate the hype of the eagles. I am over Kiko and don't give a crap if he succeeds or not based purely off of the hype everyone is giving him. Same with Spiller. I want former Bills to succeed, but many are delusional. Alonso was good, very very good in Buffalo and will be very good in Phili (and I don't like the trade for that matter). I do not know if he will be able to hold it all together in that lousy defensive backfield, though. And, Spiller. He'll break some free but he will disappoint in common Spiller ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I hate the hype of the eagles. I am over Kiko and don't give a crap if he succeeds or not based purely off of the hype everyone is giving him. Same with Spiller. I want former Bills to succeed, but many are delusional. Alonso was good, very very good in Buffalo and will be very good in Phili (and I don't like the trade for that matter). I do not know if he will be able to hold it all together in that lousy defensive backfield, though. And, Spiller. He'll break some free but he will disappoint in common Spiller ways. I agree for the most part about kiko, but I think spiller will have a breakout season. he's primed for more success than ever and I just want him to stay healthy. he deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I agree for the most part about kiko, but I think spiller will have a breakout season. he's primed for more success than ever and I just want him to stay healthy. he deserves it. Payton is not the offensive genius that Chan was. Brees is arguably better then Fitz was at this point in his career. Without Jimmy Graham the Saints will struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 The legend lives on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I agree for the most part about kiko, but I think spiller will have a breakout season. he's primed for more success than ever and I just want him to stay healthy. he deserves it. His biggest problem is an inability to process information so going to a more complex offense is not likely to yield the results people expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Think the core of the bills right now is: Dareus Mario K. WIlliams Hughes Preston Brown Gilmore Watkins Shady Clay Wood (despite a reported bad practice today) Carpenter This is about all you can pay at the top range of salary at their position. Neither Kiko or Spiller would crack this list today. This makes them part of the roster that can be churned...and in fact we traded Kiko who was not part of the core for Shady who is...A good trade--upgraded talent at a position of need (exposed last year) by trading from a position of strength (Front 7 on D). Also will get a comp pick or two for net loss in FA. The Bills are finally spending money like other NFL teams which means cap management to keep the core intact is necessary--churning outside the core is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Think the core of the bills right now is: Dareus Mario K. WIlliams Hughes Preston Brown Gilmore Watkins Shady Clay Wood (despite a reported bad practice today) Carpenter This is about all you can pay at the top range of salary at their position. Neither Kiko or Spiller would crack this list today. This makes them part of the roster that can be churned...and in fact we traded Kiko who was not part of the core for Shady who is...A good trade--upgraded talent at a position of need (exposed last year) by trading from a position of strength (Front 7 on D). Also will get a comp pick or two for net loss in FA. The Bills are finally spending money like other NFL teams which means cap management to keep the core intact is necessary--churning outside the core is going to happen. Nigel Bradham is the key player in this scenario because he is a pending FA. Alonso was cheap and under control for several more years. Not having Alonso may lead to having to renew Bradham at a time when they might not want to make that decision. And subsequently the paying of McCoy may result in losing Glenn or Gilmore. Time will tell but the Bills have a dreadful history in these situations. They used most of their draft picks in the 2000's trying to replace good young players and that helped keep them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 FOOOOTBAAAAALLLLS!!!! NOM NOM NOM NOM! Love that guy. I wish he was still on our team! I hope he does well in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I can confirm that this article is about Kiko Alonso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Think the core of the bills right now is: Dareus Mario K. WIlliams Hughes Preston Brown Gilmore Watkins Shady Clay Wood (despite a reported bad practice today) Carpenter This is about all you can pay at the top range of salary at their position. Neither Kiko or Spiller would crack this list today. This makes them part of the roster that can be churned...and in fact we traded Kiko who was not part of the core for Shady who is...A good trade--upgraded talent at a position of need (exposed last year) by trading from a position of strength (Front 7 on D). Also will get a comp pick or two for net loss in FA. The Bills are finally spending money like other NFL teams which means cap management to keep the core intact is necessary--churning outside the core is going to happen. maybe i missed it in all info but where was wood said to have had a bad practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) Nigel Bradham is the key player in this scenario because he is a pending FA. Alonso was cheap and under control for several more years. Not having Alonso may lead to having to renew Bradham at a time when they might not want to make that decision. And subsequently the paying of McCoy may result in losing Glenn or Gilmore. Time will tell but the Bills have a dreadful history in these situations. They used most of their draft picks in the 2000's trying to replace good young players and that helped keep them down. You always have great opinions Badol...my glass half-full ones are as follows: I don't believe Bradham will play like a core this year and will show that he's replaceable. He thrived in Shwartz's system but struggled in Pettine's is my evidence. The growth is cap space will allow Glenn to get a deal done I believe particularly after M. Williams extends. Alonzo was a loss = he thrived in Pettine's system and can play in space -- I know this sounds crazy but I think Ty Powell has these same skills and is bigger (1" Shorter but 10 lbs heavier) and faster (4.6 flat 40 to Alonso's 4.64 best) and was making drop plays all over the place in mini-camp. He's less likely to get engulfed like Alonso was the second half of his rookie year...Powell probably is more stout against the run and while not as great as Alonso in coverage (but who knows after the third knee injury) but is serviceable. I think picking up Shady is a 3 year hope that we are competitive -- if Shady is on the Bills for 3 years the cap hit for a cut is less than $6 million and 4 years is less than $3 million That's my side. Edited August 3, 2015 by JoeF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Pay Dareus Suh +1%. Restructure Mario. No QB money. Sign Gilmore. Glenn is nothing special but is above average. If you can sign to a reasonable contract then fine. If not franchise for a year or let him walk. Henderson or a draft pick can replace Glenn. Let Fred retire. Cut McKellen next year. Let Bradham walk and draft replacement or sign a cheaper FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 maybe i missed it in all info but where was wood said to have had a bad practice? Said in notes that he got beat by Corbin Bryant twice and Stefan Charles once...look at Joe B.'s notes on WKBW.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Said in notes that he got beat by Corbin Bryant twice and Stefan Charles once...look at Joe B.'s notes on WKBW.. 10-4. Been saying it since last Summer, we need to look at that position. 2013 he began to wear down by the end of the season and was major poopoo last year. We needed to draft an OC and let him play OG until we had no choice but to pull Wood. Pay Dareus Suh +1%. Restructure Mario. No QB money. Sign Gilmore. Glenn is nothing special but is above average. If you can sign to a reasonable contract then fine. If not franchise for a year or let him walk. Henderson or a draft pick can replace Glenn. Let Fred retire. Cut McKellen next year. Let Bradham walk and draft replacement or sign a cheaper FA. Bradham and Glenn can be retained in your scenario. Guys like Robey and Wood are being forgotten in all of this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 10-4. Been saying it since last Summer, we need to look at that position. 2013 he began to wear down by the end of the season and was major poopoo last year. We needed to draft an OC and let him play OG until we had no choice but to pull Wood. Bradham and Glenn can be retained in your scenario. Guys like Robey and Wood are being forgotten in all of this nonsense. I agree on Wood. What gives me some confidence is that the Bills are probably a lot stronger at G (Miller and Richie vs. Pears and Fat tubs of Injured goo) this year than last. The other thing you will read in Joe B.'s notes is that Miller won 3 of 4 reps against Kyle and Dareus...not bad for a first NFL contact practice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 His biggest problem is an inability to process information so going to a more complex offense is not likely to yield the results people expect. Never heard that once. Pay Dareus Suh +1%. Restructure Mario. No QB money. Sign Gilmore. Glenn is nothing special but is above average. If you can sign to a reasonable contract then fine. If not franchise for a year or let him walk. Henderson or a draft pick can replace Glenn. Let Fred retire. Cut McKellen next year. Let Bradham walk and draft replacement or sign a cheaper FA. Suh + 1%?? I thought we were hoping for less than that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I agree on Wood. What gives me some confidence is that the Bills are probably a lot stronger at G (Miller and Richie vs. Pears and Fat tubs of Injured goo) this year than last. The other thing you will read in Joe B.'s notes is that Miller won 3 of 4 reps against Kyle and Dareus...not bad for a first NFL contact practice.... We would be better off if we could have got and can get now an OG who can play OC. Urbik to OC isn't my ideal situation. But, if we could have got the #1 rated OC this past draft who plays OC better then anything else I would be fine with moving Wood to RG. The Bills have to realize they suck at OL and grading out talent so they have to be open for some outside the box thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 i thought it was a fair article on kiko and one that was mostly rehashed from a year or so ago when he wore the bills uni. i don't get the complaints about an over-hyped Kiko especially after reading all of the over-hyped things we are being fed on the 2015 Bills, a team without a bonafide QB for gods sakes. When we finish 4th in the division because we have the 4th best QB in the division there will be a lot of gnashing of teeth on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 i thought it was a fair article on kiko and one that was mostly rehashed from a year or so ago when he wore the bills uni. i don't get the complaints about an over-hyped Kiko especially after reading all of the over-hyped things we are being fed on the 2015 Bills, a team without a bonafide QB for gods sakes. When we finish 4th in the division because we have the 4th best QB in the division there will be a lot of gnashing of teeth on this board. So keeping Kiko wouldn't have made a bit of difference then, right? But in return, the Bills got an All-Pro RB to take pressure off that 4th best QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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