/dev/null Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 http://news.com.com/House+approves+electro...ubj=news.1028.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 This is scary for me, as I have a number of unresolved traffic tickets in the State of Georgia that I just forgot about. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Why doesn't the govt should just microchip us all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 "Your papers please. I need to see your papers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 http://news.com.com/House+approves+electro...ubj=news.1028.5 235466[/snapback] To be fair, this isn't a national ID card, it's a set of standards for identification that states would have to follow for their issued IDs to be nationally recognized. I don't particularly like it...but if you want the country to be secure, I can't see a way around most of it, either. Personally, I'd rather the country was less secure than put up with that crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 This somehow must be the liberals' fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 11, 2005 Author Share Posted February 11, 2005 Why doesn't the govt should just microchip us all?235485[/snapback] baby steps dude. the public will reject any such dramatic change. do it incrementally and implement a small part now and wait for an opportunity to add another later, and another after that, and another... best analogy i've heard on how the government implements stuff like this is how to boil a frog. if you boil the water first and throw the frog in, he'll feel the heat and jump out. if you put the frog in room temperature water and turn the heat to max he'll notice the change and jump out. if you put the frog in room temperature water and gradually turn the heat up, he won't notice the change and will just sit there until its too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 baby steps dude. the public will reject any such dramatic change. do it incrementally and implement a small part now and wait for an opportunity to add another later, and another after that, and another... best analogy i've heard on how the government implements stuff like this is how to boil a frog. if you boil the water first and throw the frog in, he'll feel the heat and jump out. if you put the frog in room temperature water and turn the heat to max he'll notice the change and jump out. if you put the frog in room temperature water and gradually turn the heat up, he won't notice the change and will just sit there until its too late 235538[/snapback] Yep, which is why I get pissed when they decide to fine people for exposing their underwear. It's funny how up in arms people will get about the "slippery slope" where gay marriage is concerned but don't have any problem whatsoever with government stepping into your closet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 "Your papers please. I need to see your papers." 235510[/snapback] Frightening. I despise the federal government. The more I hear about this kind of stuff, the more I think the "loonies" who play militia in Montana and Michigan are really the sane ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiew Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Why did I think of the old movie "Soylent Green" when I read this article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Yep, which is why I get pissed when they decide to fine people for exposing their underwear. It's funny how up in arms people will get about the "slippery slope" where gay marriage is concerned but don't have any problem whatsoever with government stepping into your closet. 235695[/snapback] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 To be fair, this isn't a national ID card, it's a set of standards for identification that states would have to follow for their issued IDs to be nationally recognized. I don't particularly like it...but if you want the country to be secure, I can't see a way around most of it, either. Personally, I'd rather the country was less secure than put up with that crap... 235512[/snapback] I couldnt agree more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 best analogy i've heard on how the government implements stuff like this is how to boil a frog.if you boil the water first and throw the frog in, he'll feel the heat and jump out. if you put the frog in room temperature water and turn the heat to max he'll notice the change and jump out. if you put the frog in room temperature water and gradually turn the heat up, he won't notice the change and will just sit there until its too late Frogs cant feel heat. ever see a frog jump into a fire? http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?BoiledFrogs Sorry...couldnt resist... I get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Yep, which is why I get pissed when they decide to fine people for exposing their underwear. It's funny how up in arms people will get about the "slippery slope" where gay marriage is concerned but don't have any problem whatsoever with government stepping into your closet. 235695[/snapback] It's also funny how people will disregard the "slippery slope" when it comes to gay marriage, yet be very concerned when it has to do with underwear. Doesn't it go both ways for you too AD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 It's also funny how people will disregard the "slippery slope" when it comes to gay marriage, yet be very concerned when it has to do with underwear. Doesn't it go both ways for you too AD? 236970[/snapback] I don't see have a problem with gay marriage but I have a huge problem with gay couples adopting children. That's already happening - battle lost. My stance is consistant in that I don't want the government regulating the free will of adults or arresting people for having their underwear showing. That's just not an invitation I'm willing to extend to some bureaucratic douchebag sitting up on mount high. The general arguments against gay marriage involve the next step - beastiality, pedophilia, or polygamy are the things I've seen used. I don't see any of those even being in play (though polygamy has the best chance of succeeding, if there were something on a board in Vegas). Personally, I don't think the government ought to be in the marriage business at all. If gay people want to marry each other for the supposed "benefits", then let them deal with the other perks, like divorce court and community property. Government needs to stop trying to be all things for all people. It ends up being no good to anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 This topic make me laugh. Consider what this generation already accepts: Survelliance cameras in every store, every shop. No employment without background checks. People daily giving their personal information to get a "deal" on purchases. Folks attacking users of a legal product - tobacco - and chuckling while government extorts money from private business while munching on 1,000 calorie burgers. Blithly having their person violated by drug screening and meekly accepting it. People buying cell phone with cameras so they can become defacto Peeping Toms. Celebrating voyuerism, such as in lauding "Jail Cam". The list goes on... Here are some words from Martin Niemoller, a German, who spent 8 years in prison and in concentration camps: "First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me." But learning from history seems to be passe these days... EDIT: 1:53 PM 2/14/04: googlebot is listed in the active user's list, collecting it's info. Happy VD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 This topic make me laugh. Consider what this generation already accepts: Survelliance cameras in every store, every shop. No employment without background checks. People daily giving their personal information to get a "deal" on purchases. Folks attacking users of a legal product - tobacco - and chuckling while government extorts money from private business while munching on 1,000 calorie burgers. Blithly having their person violated by drug screening and meekly accepting it. People buying cell phone with cameras so they can become defacto Peeping Toms. Celebrating voyuerism, such as in lauding "Jail Cam". The list goes on... Here are some words from Martin Niemoller, a German, who spent 8 years in prison and in concentration camps: "First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me." But learning from history seems to be passe these days... EDIT: 1:53 PM 2/14/04: googlebot is listed in the active user's list, collecting it's info. Happy VD! 238729[/snapback] problem is, many of those measures are enacted by private entities (drug tests, et al) and not the gov't. This is the gov't we're talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Frightening. I despise the federal government. The more I hear about this kind of stuff, the more I think the "loonies" who play militia in Montana and Michigan are really the sane ones. 235713[/snapback] BINGO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 problem is, many of those measures are enacted by private entities (drug tests, et al) and not the gov't. This is the gov't we're talking about here. 238880[/snapback] A Government by the People, the Consent of the Governed, eh? The People are not pulling their weight and have become jaded and lazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 A Government by the People, the Consent of the Governed, eh? The People are not pulling their weight and have become jaded and lazy... 238922[/snapback] 60% of Iraqis voted. The other 40% are people who feel they are a threatened minority involved in a near civil war, or were afraid of being murdered. What's our excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I've watched our drama unfold for a good deal of time. I remain hopeful, but it's chipping away at me. Sad - a mere 1 hour - if that, out of 1 day, out of 1 year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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