Gary M Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/teens-are-fleeing-religion-like-never-before-massive-new-study-exposes-religions-decline/ Truth be told, they're not fleeing religion, they're fleeing the church in favor of a secular religion with a different preacher. Took my two middle children to mass at 7 am. My 14 yo looks around and says that her and her brother where the only two people under 20, or maybe 30 in the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Not only fleeing religion, but most anything that has consistent standards and expectations that apply to the general populace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Took my two middle children to mass at 7 am. My 14 yo looks around and says that her and her brother where the only two people under 20, or maybe 30 in the church. That's like going to the movies on a weekday and saying that only old people go to the theater. There is no way a parent can get their baby/child/teen in good clothes before 10am for Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 That's like going to the movies on a weekday and saying that only old people go to the theater. There is no way a parent can get their baby/child/teen in good clothes before 10am for Church. No, usually there are others there, but being the 5th I am sure most stayed up late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Do any of you guys have kids? Seriously - how many kids do you have? Sounds like most of you are just opining rather than speaking from experience. I have two kids in college and due to my their endeavors - I have been lucky enough to spend the last 15 years with the younger crowd. They have their heads on straight - straighter than most adults - I look forward them taking charge - be hard to do worse. You think kids are....whatever....listen to yourselves...... Edited July 6, 2015 by baskin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 Do any of you guys have kids? Seriously - how many kids do you have? Sounds like most of you are just opining rather than speaking from experience. I have two kids in college and due to my their endeavors - I have been lucky enough to spend the last 15 years with the younger crowd. They have their heads on straight - straighter than most adults - I look forward them taking charge - be hard to do worse. You think kids are....whatever....listen to yourselves...... I take this to mean the kids you know are open to socialist rhetoric and display strict adherence to political correctness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) I'm glad... the less religious the world becomes, the more peace to be had, imo. I think the internet, and broadening the scope of awareness for people is partially to blame for this. More than any other time in our history, we are connected with people from all across the world, with different faiths. We see every tragedy in full HD. It's easy to question why kids would grow up being more cynical of religion in general. It requires a certain amount of ignorance, imo, to fully believe, without question, the various religious texts. I take this to mean the kids you know are open to socialist rhetoric and display strict adherence to political correctness. Treating everyone equally, and with respect is not political correctness, it's simply being a decent person. As we've seen with that dick in SC, though, the younger generations still have work to do. Edited July 6, 2015 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 [1]Treating everyone equally, and with respect is not political correctness, it's simply being a decent person.[2] As we've seen with that dick in SC, though, the younger generations still have work to do. 1. Who said it was? On a side note, I have no respect for those who have respect for everyone. Not everyone deserves respect. 2. The actions of 1 person tell us nothing about the society at large. To say otherwise displays a disrespect for reason, logic, and science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 1. Who said it was? On a side note, I have no respect for those who have respect for everyone. Not everyone deserves respect. 2. The actions of 1 person tell us nothing about the society at large. To say otherwise displays a disrespect for reason, logic, and science. It does if that person is born from a certain culture... and he most certainly was. Thankfully that sort of extreme racism is on the decline (imo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) It does if that person is born from a certain culture... and he most certainly was. Thankfully that sort of extreme racism is on the decline (imo). It really doesn't, but if it gives you some sense of moral superiority to think so then who am I to deprive you the pleasure. Just don't tout yourself as a disciple of science because you've just stated unequivocally that you have contempt for the scientific method. You've also shown your ignorance of the story you're exploiting to advance your agenda; an agenda I would say is religious in nature. Edited July 6, 2015 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 It really doesn't, but if it gives you some sense of moral superiority to think so then who am I to deprive you the pleasure. Just don't tout yourself as a disciple of science because you've just stated unequivocally that you have contempt for the scientific method. You've also shown your ignorance of the story you're exploiting to advance your agenda; an agenda I would say is religious in nature. I don't even know how to react to you. Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I'm glad... the less religious the world becomes, the more peace to be had, imo. I think the internet, and broadening the scope of awareness for people is partially to blame for this. More than any other time in our history, we are connected with people from all across the world, with different faiths. We see every tragedy in full HD. It's easy to question why kids would grow up being more cynical of religion in general. It requires a certain amount of ignorance, imo, to fully believe, without question, the various religious texts. Treating everyone equally, and with respect is not political correctness, it's simply being a decent person. As we've seen with that dick in SC, though, the younger generations still have work to do. Yes, one psychopath is indicative of "society" when he's in SC. Is the Sandy Hook guy indicative of the culture in Connecticut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Yes, one psychopath is indicative of "society" when he's in SC. Is the Sandy Hook guy indicative of the culture in Connecticut? And both are a part of a larger culture of violence and guns in the US as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I'm glad... the less religious the world becomes, the more peace to be had, imo. I think the internet, and broadening the scope of awareness for people is partially to blame for this. More than any other time in our history, we are connected with people from all across the world, with different faiths. We see every tragedy in full HD. It's easy to question why kids would grow up being more cynical of religion in general. It requires a certain amount of ignorance, imo, to fully believe, without question, the various religious texts. Treating everyone equally, and with respect is not political correctness, it's simply being a decent person. As we've seen with that dick in SC, though, the younger generations still have work to do. So to recap, people who believe religious texts which promote love, peace and "being a decent person" are ignorant. But listening to you giving the same advice makes them, somehow, less ignorant? That sounds a bit bigoted to me. It does if that person is born from a certain culture... and he most certainly was. Thankfully that sort of extreme racism is on the decline (imo). Interestingly, people like yourself will spend countless hours discussing one racist dick who murdered nine people and be glad that this "certain culture" is on the decline, but never say a word about the dozens of people shot and murdered in Chicago this weekend --including a seven-year-old boy -- which represents a culture on the rise. Way to be focused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 So to recap, people who believe religious texts which promote love, peace and "being a decent person" are ignorant. But listening to you giving the same advice makes them, somehow, less ignorant? That sounds a bit bigoted to me. Interestingly, people like yourself will spend countless hours discussing one racist dick who murdered nine people and be glad that this "certain culture" is on the decline, but never say a word about the dozens of people shot and murdered in Chicago this weekend --including a seven-year-old boy -- which represents a culture on the rise. Way to be focused. The weekly shootings/murders in various cities are indeed a big problem. Gangs, the failed drug war, the easy availability of guns, the general culture of violence in the US all attribute to those, and things like the mass murders mentioned above. Just because we're getting more tolerant of each other, generally speaking, doesn't mean there aren't serious issues in the US still. If that makes me a bigot, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 And both are a part of a larger culture of violence and guns in the US as a whole. Everyone is part of the larger culture. That's not the same as being indicative or representative of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 So to recap, people who believe religious texts which promote love, peace and "being a decent person" are ignorant. But listening to you giving the same advice makes them, somehow, less ignorant? That sounds a bit bigoted to me. Also, let's take this.... depends on the texts, but a lot of them are very violent towards people who don't subscribe to the same belief system, or towards those who don't follow the exact letters in the text. On top of that, you have people who interpret them in various nasty ways, to further their own gains. That being said, if a religion truly is promoting love, peace, equality, and generally being good to your neighbors no matter your differences, then awesome, I'm all for it. But more often than not, it seems the major religions are too busy promoting exclusion and violence towards those who are different. Everyone is part of the larger culture. That's not the same as being indicative or representative of it. So if our murder rate is higher than another developed country's, and it's not a gun/weapon problem, and it's not a culture problem, then what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 So if our murder rate is higher than another developed country's, and it's not a gun/weapon problem, and it's not a culture problem, then what is it? How is that even remotely relevant to the point you were making? You were arguing that the actions of one person inform us of the culture at large, now you're arguing murder rates do. Well no ****. That's basically the opposite of your initial argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 How is that even remotely relevant to the point you were making? You were arguing that the actions of one person inform us of the culture at large, now you're arguing murder rates do. Well no ****. That's basically the opposite of your initial argument. I say one crime is indicative of a larger problem, you tell me one crime isn't enough to tell us, then I pointed to the larger rate.... you win. I got nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) I say one crime is indicative of a larger problem, you tell me one crime isn't enough to tell us, then I pointed to the larger rate.... you win. I got nothing. The discussion wasn't about whether there was a "larger problem," it was about the actions of one person not being terribly probative on the topic. You changed arguments midstream to one of whether there is a "larger problem" without ever defining what that problem is. Edited July 6, 2015 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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