Uffalo Ills Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 As if we havent heard enough about #DeflateGate http://uproxx.com/sports/2015/01/watch-bill-nye-the-science-guy-settle-deflategate-once-and-for-all/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'll take his word any day of the week. In terms of rubbing the football, the amount of rubbing you would have to do to change the air temperature inside the ball would probably equivalent to the amount of rubbing a female pornstar conducts throughout her career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) The company that makes the balls came out and said the only way for a ball to deflate that much in that amount of time is a pump needle. Case closed. Edited January 25, 2015 by TheBillsWillRiseAgain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 The company that makes the balls came out and said the only way for a ball to deflate that much in that amount of time is a pump needle. Case closed. Not really a case closed. More like a case can easily be made from that. Case will be closed when someone goes down for it (I expect someone on the equipment staff to take the fall and then receive an unusually large severance package). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I just meant the whole "Did the weather cause it?" case should be closed now. Nobody should be trying to use that as an excuse anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 Weather could not cause a 2psi drop. That would mean that all of Aaron Rodger's balls would be inflated to only like 0.5psi, but instead, it's rumored that he has them overinflated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I just meant the whole "Did the weather cause it?" case should be closed now. Nobody should be trying to use that as an excuse anymore. They shouldn't have tried to use it in the first place. Pats* fans are dumb but the rest of the world studied science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 They shouldn't have tried to use it in the first place. Pats* fans are dumb but the rest of the world studied science More like willfully ignorant. Everyone has to fill up their car tires (or have someone do it for them) at some point. Considering I can go through a typical WNY winter and only lose 3-4 PSI along with normal wear and tear makes it blatant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizslafan Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Here's an idea... The Patriots could have inflated the balls with heated air. Let's say it was at 120 Deg F air and the balls were inflated to 12.5 PSI with it shortly before they were inspected. The balls are insulators so you probably would not feel the heat trough the bladder and synthetic leather. In 2 hours the temp cools by 70 degrees F (Colts game temp was about 50 degrees F) and the pressure drops to 10.5PSI. I have not run the numbers but maybe not that far off - I have a mech engr degree but not as famous as Bill Nye! Belicheck could use the above procedure, never deflate the balls and probably follow the rules to the letter as he says. They could even have a chart that provides the starting air temp to get 10.5 PSI based on outdoor temperature. If they have some type of machine that inflates them could be realistic. If it is just a hand pump then not going to work. Yea I know crazy idea, but the Patriots are kinda crazy also.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Mythbusters. Put it on there, special edition. Case closed. Edited January 26, 2015 by Rubes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp 2 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Here's an idea... The Patriots could have inflated the balls with heated air. Let's say it was at 120 Deg F air and the balls were inflated to 12.5 PSI with it shortly before they were inspected. The balls are insulators so you probably would not feel the heat trough the bladder and synthetic leather. In 2 hours the temp cools by 70 degrees F (Colts game temp was about 50 degrees F) and the pressure drops to 10.5PSI. I have not run the numbers but maybe not that far off - I have a mech engr degree but not as famous as Bill Nye! Belicheck could use the above procedure, never deflate the balls and probably follow the rules to the letter as he says. They could even have a chart that provides the starting air temp to get 10.5 PSI based on outdoor temperature. If they have some type of machine that inflates them could be realistic. If it is just a hand pump then not going to work. Yea I know crazy idea, but the Patriots are kinda crazy also.. I bet that you're not far off. I wondered the fact of the heated air applied while inflating the footballs. Especially when Belicheat referenced following the rules to the letter...I bet there is no standard of the temperature of the air applied? Who would think to manipulate this? The Patriots, that's who...smh! I can hear him know, His interpretation yada yada yada...Cheat! If his assertion was true, why didn't the Colts footballs deflate at the same rate? Their football were weighed also and were in accordance with the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The company that makes the balls came out and said the only way for a ball to deflate that much in that amount of time is a pump needle. Case closed. Well, case closed as far as the NFL is concerned. ....Yet another scandal swept under the rug..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The sick part is that BB would be right about following the letter of the law if they used heated air. It's more tuck rule style tricky tack BS but it wouldn't be against the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff the Cat Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) I bet that you're not far off. I wondered the fact of the heated air applied while inflating the footballs. Especially when Belicheat referenced following the rules to the letter...I bet there is no standard of the temperature of the air applied? Who would think to manipulate this? The Patriots, that's who...smh! I can hear him know, His interpretation yada yada yada...Cheat! If his assertion was true, why didn't the Colts footballs deflate at the same rate? Their football were weighed also and were in accordance with the rule. Very good point, that is the only way that the ball could lose 2psi in that amount of time other than a needle. Technically it would not be cheating, but if the intent was to have a deflated ball, it certainly goes against the spirit of the rule. Hard to prove the heated air and even harder to prove intent with heated air. Anyone here could do a simple experiment by inflating a balloon inside their "warm" house then put the balloon in their cold garage or refrigerator and watch how it decreases in size. etc etc. Edited January 26, 2015 by Buff the Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The Pats* are an all time great team. But this crap, plus the era they play in, makes all the GOAT talk goofy. Im cool with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm not sure if this has been posted in another thread, but this is clearly the most definitive piece regarding this issue of Tom Brady's balls. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=767092833380843&fref=nf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Here's an idea... The Patriots could have inflated the balls with heated air. Let's say it was at 120 Deg F air and the balls were inflated to 12.5 PSI with it shortly before they were inspected. The balls are insulators so you probably would not feel the heat trough the bladder and synthetic leather. In 2 hours the temp cools by 70 degrees F (Colts game temp was about 50 degrees F) and the pressure drops to 10.5PSI. I have not run the numbers but maybe not that far off - I have a mech engr degree but not as famous as Bill Nye! Belicheck could use the above procedure, never deflate the balls and probably follow the rules to the letter as he says. They could even have a chart that provides the starting air temp to get 10.5 PSI based on outdoor temperature. If they have some type of machine that inflates them could be realistic. If it is just a hand pump then not going to work. Yea I know crazy idea, but the Patriots are kinda crazy also.. Compressed air comes out of the nozzle extremely cold(due to technical math/science reasons). Even heated air would be reduced in temperature enough when focused through a small point to not effect the end result. Simple science experiment.....blow air onto your hand with an open mouth.....then do it through purced lips. The open mouth blowing is significantly warmer than purced lips. The narrower the hole, the colder the temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Compressed air comes out of the nozzle extremely cold(due to technical math/science reasons). Even heated air would be reduced in temperature enough when focused through a small point to not effect the end result. Simple science experiment.....blow air onto your hand with an open mouth.....then? do it through purced lips. The open mouth blowing is significantly warmer than purced lips. The narrower the hole, the colder the temperature. what? the air feels cooler because it expands as it comes out the nozzle, and subsequently cools. Think air conditioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It appears that a team from Carnegie Mellon found out that this sort of deflation could happen. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/bill-nye-says-bill-belichick-made-no-sense/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Overlooked by the CMU folks (and Belichick, and others) was the reported ability of the Colts’ footballs to remain within the accepted range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI after the same duration of exposure to the same elements and conditions. If, on average, the footballs tested at a starting PSI lost 1.8 pounds on average (i.e., 14.4 percent of their air pressure), footballs pumped even to the maximum of 13.5 PSI would have lost 1.94 PSI on average, taking them to 11.56, nearly a full bound below the minimum limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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